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[Xilizhra]

Humans are special for exactly one reason: Shepard is one. Everything is about Shepard's successes. If she hadn't been around, humanity would have folded up and died like everything else.

[Asheer_Khan]

Slowly this "they brought Shepard back" thing become one [airquote] positive [/airquote] cerberus deed.



But all i saw during short and obviously FORCED cooperation with mr illusive [airquote] "i am so great leader" [/airquote] man was web of lies and half truths... so i was really happy (at least until ME 3, since i doubt that retribution will affect that game) to having chance to tell him Sayonara in C- Base.



I hope that Liara will help me to find in SB files in off dirt to put Udina in jail for his life time and wiped out cerberus existence once for all.



Good Night.

[betd2]

I think someone else already said it but I side with the Counsel and the Alliance not because I don't trust Cerberus' goals (Advancing humanity is fine, as long as it doesn't involve bombing the race next door into extinction) it's because I I don't trust TIM. TIM to me, seems to see everyone, even the people who work for him as tools, to be used and discarded at his leisure. that and people who want mindlessly compliant soldiers, weather they be Overlord controled Geth, Thorian Creepers or Husks seems to be someone who's doesn't want his minions questioning the ethics of his decisions.

[ciaweth]

Cerberus and the Alliance are intertwined. Almost all your ME2 Cerberus crew were Alliance personnel at one point. EDI says, after she's unshackled, that Cerberus is financially backed by some powerful entities in the Alliance military-industrial complex. The Shadow Broker has video of Anderson meeting with a Cerberus operative. If you squint right, the secret info in Keiji's greybox might be about the Alliance's involvement with Cerberus.



Of course, there are people in both organizations who know little to nothing about the relationship between the two--Ashley and Kaiden, for example. I guess you're meant to choose whether Shepard is like that, too.

[PWENER]

Cerberus is like one giant rogue spectre.



Think about it...

[fongiel24]

I'd choose working with Cerberus over working with the Alliance but that doesn't mean I'm loyal to Cerberus. Cerberus does some disgusting things and TIM is a paranoid power freak but they allow me to do the things that need to be done. Once the fighting is over though, I'm going back to the Alliance. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, particularly in the absence of checks and balances - which Cerberus completely lacks. At least the Alliance is marginally accountable to an electorate.

Regarding the Council, I'm only loyal to the Council through my link to the Alliance. If the Alliance and the Council ever come into conflict, I'd make the decision to take the side of the Alliance easily. Incompetent and thickheaded as the Alliance can be, Shepard is still human and the Alliance is humanity's chosen representative to the rest of the galaxy.

[betd2]

PWENER wrote...

Cerberus is like one giant rogue spectre.

Think about it...

Then I'm gonna do to it what I did to Saren.  use my pargon charm to convice it to shoot itself in the head

[Mr. Gogeta34]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Cerberus as an organization has a dark reputation.. but a lot of people miss that TIM can do very little about actions that Cerberus takes. He forms groups and sets them loose on an objective. HOW that objective is done is always left up to the groups themselves.

While I wouldn't say TIM is innocent, I think a lot of dark deeds may be blamed on him that wasn't his fault.

And why do you think he does?

So that he can pressure them into doing whatever it takes, and then shrug it off as not hus responsibility.

The real reason is that he's in some ways too cautious for his own good.  He WILL NOT get his own hands dirty.  If someone does something wrong, he may give a lecture or throw a fit, but the most he can do in response is send others under orders to clean up the mess.

In Mass Effect 2, you had the choice of bombing civilians.  TIM had nothing to do with that should you decide to do it.  You were sent there to stop the missles from launching, that's it.  However, because disarming both was impossible, you had to choose which place got bombed anyway.

So while TIM only wanted the bomb launched stopped, the papers could read that Cerberus annihilated a civilian population... which would've not been his fault.

[westiex9]

Cerberus are alien hating supremacists, i really hope that now that ive blown up the collector base and told TIM where to shove his cigar that i can return to the alliance, heck maybe even get an admiral's star for my troubles.



I love the fact that Cerberus play a bigger part in the second games story because of the tension it created, but my shepard always pointed out that she was not working for cerberus and that their agreement was temporary, plus there was all that data i passed to the alliance hehe

[betd2]

westiex9 wrote...

Cerberus are alien hating supremacists, i really hope that now that ive blown up the collector base and told TIM where to shove his cigar that i can return to the alliance, heck maybe even get an admiral's star for my troubles.

Please, they aren't gonna promote you just cause you saved the Galaxy, what do think this is Stargate SG-1?

[DPSSOC]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Amazing how many people factor Cerberus resurrecting Shepard into this.
They were not doing you a favour. Who knew being used was so fun?

Yes they did it for their own reasons.  No not one of those reasons was goodwill.  Yes they used you.  But none of that matters.  You have a second chance at life and whatever their reasons Cerberus are the ones who gave it to you.  And all that TIM has asked of you, the only thing he require you do, is trust that the enemy of your enemy is your friend and put aside whatever past disagreements you may have had with the organization and acknowledge that you have a common enemy.

[westiex9]

betd2 wrote...

westiex9 wrote...

Cerberus are alien hating supremacists, i really hope that now that ive blown up the collector base and told TIM where to shove his cigar that i can return to the alliance, heck maybe even get an admiral's star for my troubles.

Please, they aren't gonna promote you just cause you saved the Galaxy, what do think this is Stargate SG-1?

or the end of star wars lol!

lol i just played halo 2 and the award ceremony at the start got the little cogs in my head turning, i really hope that they have differant openings for players who abandon cerberus, ive had my fill of TIM, plus medals are shiny

[AntiChri5]

The real reason is that he's in some ways too cautious for his own good.  He WILL NOT get his own hands dirty.  If someone does something wrong, he may give a lecture or throw a fit, but the most he can do in response is send others under orders to clean up the mess.



In Mass Effect 2, you had the choice of bombing civilians.  TIM had nothing to do with that should you decide to do it.  You were sent there to stop the missles from launching, that's it.  However, because disarming both was impossible, you had to choose which place got bombed anyway.



So while TIM only wanted the bomb launched stopped, the papers could read that Cerberus annihilated a civilian population... which would've not been his fault.

The Illusive Man has full control over Cerberus.

Im betting he knows what every Cerberus employee has for lunch every day.

There are numerous refernces to all the hidden surveilance equipment on the SR 2, and EDI tells us about how TIM deliberatly keeps Cerberus small so he can watch over every operation personally.

[ObserverStatus]

Shandepared wrote...

Cerberus. The Alliance's true priorities are dictated by politics, Cerberus however has only one priority and that priority is the human race.

How do you know that? Alliance officials claim that their top priority is the human race, while only trying to increase their personal power, but how do you know that that tIM is any different?

[ObserverStatus]

Ok, many of us haven't read us, so are there any specific examples of this from the novel you'd like to share?

[anmiro]

Alliance all the way. It was Anderson's decision and I think he was right to be cautious. Miranda even says that if she had her way Shepard would have been implanted with some sort of control device. Shepard was dead, then shows up 2 years later working for a terrorist organization. I'd be suspicious of my own mother under those circumstances. I think by the end of ME2 I proved where my loyalty lies. I never missed an opportunity to stick it to Cerberus. That being said, I will be very disappointed if I still get the cold shoulder from the Alliance come ME3.

[AntiChri5]

The latest novel.

If anything, Retribution proves otherwise.

[zeypher]

yup the latest novel proves it that TIM is the only guy out there who is actually trying to figure out the reapers and had anderson not attacked him all would have gone smoothly

[Daewan]

thegreateski wrote...

Cerberus = Alliance
Alliance = Cerberus

This.  Seriously.  Terrorist ships don't get to dock at the Citadel.  When you see a terrorist, you don't ask them for an endorsement of your store.  The Alliance wouldn't be where it is today without the information that Cerberus brings in.  Cerberus knows where their bread is buttered, and they know how to keep themselves clean enough to stay viable.

My alliance is with the galaxy.  I want it to keep existing.  Paragon or Renegade, that's all that really matters.  I might balk at having to take orders from a Batarian, though.  But, by now, pretty much everyone in the galaxy has figured out that Shepard is stupid that way.  Got a problem?  Throw Shepard at it!  Need someone killed?  Make Shepard do it!  Kitten stuck in a tree?  Shepard.

Does that count as a side?

[PWENER]

I say that instead of talking about TIM's motivations you wait for his comic to come out.

[PWENER]

Daewan wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Cerberus = Alliance
Alliance = Cerberus

This.  Seriously.  Terrorist ships don't get to dock at the Citadel.  When you see a terrorist, you don't ask them for an endorsement of your store.  The Alliance wouldn't be where it is today without the information that Cerberus brings in.  Cerberus knows where their bread is buttered, and they know how to keep themselves clean enough to stay viable.

My alliance is with the galaxy.  I want it to keep existing.  Paragon or Renegade, that's all that really matters.  I might balk at having to take orders from a Batarian, though.  But, by now, pretty much everyone in the galaxy has figured out that Shepard is stupid that way.  Got a problem?  Throw Shepard at it!  Need someone killed?  Make Shepard do it!  Kitten stuck in a tree?  Shepard.

Does that count as a side?

My earlier post...

This is the future of all life that exists and will exists. The Reapers are the most dangerous threat that has ever existed and it doesn't matter what it takes, I am prepared to work with terrorist. I will sacrifice anything if it means killing a single Reaper. I sometimes wonder if I in real life would sacrifice my life for the greater good, and the answear is always yes. If it means Shepard's death, I swear that the Reapers will fall. The reapers won't get another cycle. I'll teach them why Humanity has survived the last thousands of years. Humanity is the only race that is still fresh and daring.

[AntiChri5]

Just because there may be more evidence doesnt mean we should discount the evidence that we have.



Besides which, the comic is set during the First Contat War.



His motivarions back then (before he became incredibly powerful) may be completely irrelevent.