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[westiex9]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Alliance.

Political assassinations, acts of terrorism, medical experiments on innocent people including children....really, what's not to like about Cerberus?

But even if you aren't bothered by Cerberus 'ends justifies the means' viewpoint, the Alliance is the smart choice between the two. Cerberus is a small fringe group, whereas the Alliance fields an entire battle fleet. How many deadnoughts, cruisers and carriers is Cerberus bringing to the fight against the Reapers? None? You don't say....

Sorry TIM, meet the airlock..........

Finally a sensible opinion, at least the Alliance is a democratic and relatively uncorrupt group, Cerberus are terrorists with absolutley no checks or ethical restrictions

[Ieldra]

westiex9 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

Alliance.

Political assassinations, acts of terrorism, medical experiments on innocent people including children....really, what's not to like about Cerberus?

But even if you aren't bothered by Cerberus 'ends justifies the means' viewpoint, the Alliance is the smart choice between the two. Cerberus is a small fringe group, whereas the Alliance fields an entire battle fleet. How many deadnoughts, cruisers and carriers is Cerberus bringing to the fight against the Reapers? None? You don't say....

Sorry TIM, meet the airlock..........

Finally a sensible opinion, at least the Alliance is a democratic and relatively uncorrupt group, Cerberus are terrorists with absolutley no checks or ethical restrictions

Bah...one's terrorist is the other's freedom fighter. Really, get a perspective. I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but the simplistic approach won't work here.

The problem is: the Reaper threat has such a scope that it appears sensible to loosen some ethical restrictions in order to ensure survival, for what does "having done the right thing" matter in the end if your species doesn't survive. The question is are they going too far? My answer would be they *did* go too far for instance with the Teltin facility, because there was no overwhelming necessity at that point that could even remotely justify such a thing. Also they're using these methods as a standard, not as a last resort which I'd be able to accept.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 septembre 2010 - 09:57 .

[AntiChri5]

The problem is Cerberus just doesnt have the resources necessary.

[Autoclave]

Alliance is behind Cerberus, at least high ranking admirals.

The Cerberus gone rogue thing is a logical solution to keep Alliance reputation intact.

The Alliance needs Cerberus for all the dirty work it might never do by themselves because of the Council.

[GodWood]

They are the same thing just with different names.

[Barquiel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bah...one's terrorist is the other's freedom fighter. Really, get a perspective. I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but the simplistic approach won't work here.

 

...and Cerberus wants freedom from what?

[Onyx Jaguar]

Perceived Alien Oppression



Why do they have the right to choose where and where we can;t go in this galaxy?

[westiex9]

GodWood wrote...

They are the same thing just with different names.

I don't think the Alliance and Cerberus are quite so similar, The Alliance is a vast government elected by humanity as their colonial authority, it has good people and bad but they are generally a pretty decent organization.

Claiming Cerberus is the same as the Alliance is like claiming that The KKK or one of the numerous militia groups in the US is the Same as the Elected government. the fact is that Cerberus are an extremist group with very questionable methods, sure the alliance has a few bad people in high positions but on the whole they do the right thing.
 
By Comparison Cerberus is an organization with a few good people who generally end up doing the wrong thing, just look at their track record its amazing how quickly people forgot about the stuff they did in mass effect 1, friggin thresher maw experiements and Eezo bombings which kill innocent people! i don't care what justifications people use to defend cerberus they are ruthless terrorists  with a racist agenda and nothing more.

[GodWood]

I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.

The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

[westiex9]

GodWood wrote...

I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.
The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

the council may  admittedly be jerks on a lot of issues but they still managed to create a relatively peaceful and prosperous area of space, they arn't perfect but then no government is ever perfect. Besides the Rachni were out of Control and threatened to overwhelm the Galaxy, and the Krogan arn't sterile their fertility has just been altered to safe levels.

[Barquiel]

GodWood wrote...

I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.
The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

You would prefer a galaxy dominated by (indoctrinated) space bugs or violent space lizards? I am quite sure that a first contact would have been interesting...

[Onyx Jaguar]

Hey whats one set replaced by another. We're still humans. It was their problem. I don't have much sympathy for their actions in the past given what their solutions to those problems were.

[GodWood]

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.
The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

You would prefer a galaxy dominated by (indoctrinated) space bugs or violent space lizards? I am quite sure that a first contact would have been interesting...

Hey, I'm renegade I would of picked most of those decisions (the quarian one was pretty fail however) 

[Barquiel]

GodWood wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.
The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

You would prefer a galaxy dominated by (indoctrinated) space bugs or violent space lizards? I am quite sure that a first contact would have been interesting...

Hey, I'm renegade I would of picked most of those decisions (the quarian one was pretty fail however) 

I agree...they could give the quarians some planet to colonize.

[westiex9]

GodWood wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I love how [some] paragons think the councils the best group.
The group that wiped out one species, sterilized another and let anothers home planet fall then banished them from citadel space.

You would prefer a galaxy dominated by (indoctrinated) space bugs or violent space lizards? I am quite sure that a first contact would have been interesting...

Hey, I'm renegade I would of picked most of those decisions (the quarian one was pretty fail however) 

Agreed the Quarians got the worst possible treatment, council never even lifted a finger to help them.

[Bad King]

enayasoul wrote...

After everything we know so far about them, where does your loyalties lie? 

I was talking with my brother and said, "I don't think the Alliance is any better than Cerberus."

He replies, "That's a matter of opinion."

Yeah, Cerberus has done some really bad experiments and gotten a bad reputation...

But my Shepard feels like the Alliance hasn't supported him at all only some people and if he is working for Cerberus, they think he's a traitor. 

Interesting...

I'm not that happy with either. While there are some good individuals within the alliance (such as Hackett and Anderson) most of the brass have really seemed to stab Shepard in the back. As for Cerberus, the Illusive man had just been using Shepard, however they were the only group willing to deal with the Collector threat.

[AngryFrozenWater]

The only other large organization able to fund Shepard is the Shadow Broker. With Liara in charge it might be feasible. If you didn't do the LotSB story then BW would still be able to have her in charge by default. That would be the closest thing to be "independent". Of course it might not happen, but the same goes for any other theory in this thread.

[DPSSOC]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
But even if you aren't bothered by Cerberus 'ends justifies the means' viewpoint, the Alliance is the smart choice between the two. Cerberus is a small fringe group, whereas the Alliance fields an entire battle fleet. How many deadnoughts, cruisers and carriers is Cerberus bringing to the fight against the Reapers? None? You don't say....

You are correct which is why Cerberus can't fight the Reapers on their own, but as things stand they're the only people who are.  So what are the Alliance or Council currently bringing to the fight against the Reapers?  Nothing?  You don't say.  Cerberus are willing to acknowledge the Reaper threat and fight, they are a sure ally and valuable resource (funding and intel), so it makes little sense to cast them aside.  What are you going to do if the Council and Alliance still refuse to acknowledge the Reaper threat in ME3?  Where will that leave you?

Modifié par DPSSOC, 26 septembre 2010 - 11:43 .

[Arijharn]

DPSSOC wrote...

You are correct which is why Cerberus can't fight the Reapers on their own, but as things stand they're the only people who are.  So what are the Alliance or Council currently bringing to the fight against the Reapers?  Nothing?  You don't say.  Cerberus are willing to acknowledge the Reaper threat and fight, they are a sure ally and valuable resource (funding and intel), so it makes little sense to cast them aside.  What are you going to do if the Council and Alliance still refuse to acknowledge the Reaper threat in ME3?  Where will that leave you?

Up a creek and missing a paddle.

[Gibb_Shepard]

The Alliance can go get ****ed. They completely ditched shepard, and wanted him to be brought in for question while he was saving their ignorant asses.

Cerberus can go get ****ed. They cannot be trusted at all, they will stab shepard in the back as soon as he is of no use to them.

Team Shepard FTW.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 26 septembre 2010 - 12:14 .

[anmiro]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

anmiro wrote...

TIM has never even clearly stated what he intends to get out of the collector base. Cerberus's plan is like some thing out of the Aliens trilogy. "Hey maybe if we can isolate this alien species in a lab we can learn something useful from it. OH MY GOD IT ESCAPED AND KILLING EVERYONE!!!"

What did the learn? The Reapers are really dangerous. How is that helpful? Its not, but maybe if we try again will learn something else.

Did the first rocket get to the moon? : P

So TIM is going to the moon?

[LorDC]

Alliance with it's fleet is right hand of humanity. Cerberus with it's agent network is left hand of humanity. OP question is meaningless.

[lovgreno]

Autoclave wrote...

Alliance is behind Cerberus, at least high ranking admirals.
The Cerberus gone rogue thing is a logical solution to keep Alliance reputation intact.
The Alliance needs Cerberus for all the dirty work it might never do by themselves because of the Council.

There are no proofs of that. Its just something some may assume based on some unclear rumours. In any case the general opinion among humans seems to be that the Council is a much better ally than Cerberus as they have officialy declared Cerberus illegal rogue terrorists.

[Funkcase]

Umm, who is better?, The people who think you are a traitor for working with a known terrorist organisation? Or the terrorist organisation who inflict in-human expriments on people and kindnap kids? hmm....

Modifié par Funkcase, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:11 .

[lovgreno]

betd2 wrote...

PWENER wrote...

Solution; Kill TIM and take over Cerberus with his identity. Just like Liara. If she can, Shepard can do better.

Nah that's too much work for Shep.  We'll replace him with Miranda as a puppet ruler instead.

Yeah! That would be a great sollution. Miranda seems to be a practical person who knows what she is doing, unlike TIMmy.