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[DiagonalLotus]

Mesina2 wrote...

I dislike Cerberus but I disliked Alliance since first second of my very first playthrough of ME1 and I dislike it more then Cerberus.
Thankfully with Kasumi's greybox I'll shatter Alliance in ME3.
Hopefully crush Cerberus too.

You'll most likely crush HUMANITY, not just the Alliance lol

[Bebbe777]

Loyal to the Alliance and in effect the Council. But for the moment Cerberus is a necessary evil.

[Aedan_Cousland]

DPSSOC wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
But even if you aren't bothered by Cerberus 'ends justifies the means' viewpoint, the Alliance is the smart choice between the two. Cerberus is a small fringe group, whereas the Alliance fields an entire battle fleet. How many deadnoughts, cruisers and carriers is Cerberus bringing to the fight against the Reapers? None? You don't say....

You are correct which is why Cerberus can't fight the Reapers on their own, but as things stand they're the only people who are.  So what are the Alliance or Council currently bringing to the fight against the Reapers?  Nothing?  You don't say.  Cerberus are willing to acknowledge the Reaper threat and fight, they are a sure ally and valuable resource (funding and intel), so it makes little sense to cast them aside.  What are you going to do if the Council and Alliance still refuse to acknowledge the Reaper threat in ME3?  Where will that leave you?

The Alliance & the Council in ME3 will be forced to acknowledge that the Reapers are real in ME3, since the Reaper invasion fleet is going to arrive in Council Space at some point in the game. I don't think Cerberus will play a major role in ME3, and I doubt Shepard will even be working for them. If the Council and the Alliance still have their collective heads in the sand at the start of ME3, I'd bet on Liara replacing TIM as Shepard's financer and information broker

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:10 .

[Vamp-Willow]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Though my hope is that Shepard gets a chance to start his own new faction in ME 3 (like Sheridan did in Babylon 5).

Oh that would be bloody cool and like Sheridan, Shepard came back from being dead.

[DPSSOC]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...
You are correct which is why Cerberus can't fight the Reapers on their own, but as things stand they're the only people who are.  So what are the Alliance or Council currently bringing to the fight against the Reapers?  Nothing?  You don't say.  Cerberus are willing to acknowledge the Reaper threat and fight, they are a sure ally and valuable resource (funding and intel), so it makes little sense to cast them aside.  What are you going to do if the Council and Alliance still refuse to acknowledge the Reaper threat in ME3?  Where will that leave you?

The Alliance & the Council in ME3 will be forced to acknowledge that the Reapers are real in ME3, since the Reaper invasion fleet is going to arrive in Council Space at some point in the game.

 
Yes but would that be soon enough?  If you wait until the enemy is marching on your capital to prepare for war your chances of victory would seem slim.

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
I don't think Cerberus will play a major role in ME3, and I doubt Shepard will even be working for them. If the Council and the Alliance still have their collective heads in the sand at the start of ME3, I'd bet on Liara replacing TIM as Shepard's financer and information broker

I'd rather deal with TIM to be perfectly honest.

[Inverness Moon]

Prince of Kemet wrote...

The Alliance and Cerberus are one in the same, you have to read between the lines.

This is why I think TIM said that "Cerberus is humanity," because the Alliance represents most of humanity, and they back Cerberus in one way or another.

Barquiel wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Bah...one's terrorist is the other's freedom fighter. Really, get a perspective. I'm not exactly a Cerberus fan, but the simplistic approach won't work here.

 

...and Cerberus wants freedom from what?

Freedom from the Council or any other race. The way I see it, TIM wants humanity to be the dominant power in the galaxy so its future is not determined by any other race or a body like the Council.

An example of this is the planet that the quarians attempted to colonize (I forget the name), the Council threatened to bombard them from orbit (the only way to be sure) because they did not follow the proper proceedure for colonization. They subsequently gave that planet to the elcor.

If the quarians were more powerful they wouldn't have to take **** from the Council and live like they do.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 26 septembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[ThisIsMadness91]

Inverness Moon wrote...

An example of this is the planet that the quarians attempted to colonize (I forget the name), the Council threatened to bombard them from orbit (the only way to be sure) because they did not follow the proper proceedure for colonization. They subsequently gave that planet to the elcor.

If the quarians were more powerful they wouldn't have to take **** from the Council and live like they do.

Wow, I never knew about that (but then again, I don't read the descriptions of most planets)!

It definitely seems to me that BioWare is trying to encourage players to want to stand on their own - none of the major factions seem to be reliable allies. The Council are arrogant and stupid, the Alliance is too eager to obey them, and Cerberus can't be trusted. If we don't get the chance to sever all ties in ME3, I'll be disappointed.

[enayasoul]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...
But even if you aren't bothered by Cerberus 'ends justifies the means' viewpoint, the Alliance is the smart choice between the two. Cerberus is a small fringe group, whereas the Alliance fields an entire battle fleet. How many deadnoughts, cruisers and carriers is Cerberus bringing to the fight against the Reapers? None? You don't say....

You are correct which is why Cerberus can't fight the Reapers on their own, but as things stand they're the only people who are.  So what are the Alliance or Council currently bringing to the fight against the Reapers?  Nothing?  You don't say.  Cerberus are willing to acknowledge the Reaper threat and fight, they are a sure ally and valuable resource (funding and intel), so it makes little sense to cast them aside.  What are you going to do if the Council and Alliance still refuse to acknowledge the Reaper threat in ME3?  Where will that leave you?

The Alliance & the Council in ME3 will be forced to acknowledge that the Reapers are real in ME3, since the Reaper invasion fleet is going to arrive in Council Space at some point in the game. I don't think Cerberus will play a major role in ME3, and I doubt Shepard will even be working for them. If the Council and the Alliance still have their collective heads in the sand at the start of ME3, I'd bet on Liara replacing TIM as Shepard's financer and information broker

Yeah, the Council will either say we were wrong not to listen to you or keep their heads in the sand when the reapers come knocking and not acknowleding a damn thing.  AND IF they ask my shepard to save them.  Why should I, this time???    My shepard told the alliance he didn't need their help, they didn't give a **** what was happening.  Wanted to acuse my shepard of treason because I was working with their sworn enemy.  Well, I say get off your ass alliance and do something.   I don't like cerberus but he's not gonna not do anything when humanity lives and others are in danger.

I was playing through ME2... renegade but saved the council... The most hilarious dialogue. I told them to shove their reinstatement of my shepards spectre status up there asses.  Ha ha ha...  Too funny.  And told Udina what I did when he entered the room afterwards. (anderson is counselor)  He was freaking out and being ****y.  I laughed so hard.  

Modifié par enayasoul, 27 septembre 2010 - 01:04 .

[prizm123]

i kept the graybox and the evidence implicating Cerberus

and as bad as the council has been towards me, I sm still a Spectre and the only prayer of defeating the Reapers is if everyone is united

[Arijharn]

I doubt they'll unite willingly tbh, I think you'll have to force the issue.

[Cjrdrifter]

to quote shep "you're on my team now" . The alliance was fairly quiet in me2, no support at all but they do have admiral hackett who def is on my side as for cerberus they need shep more than he needs them but they do what it takes to get the job done. So I'm pretty sure shep will bring cerberus to the alliance with tim in control

[tnfstc]

Screw you guys, my girlfriends the shadow broker.

[UNAVAILABLE]

enayasoul wrote...

After everything we know so far about them, where does your loyalties lie?

Hmmmm. . . .

Alliance vs. Cerberus

or stated another way

Sloth Demon vs. Greed Demon

Only one logical way out of this dilemma.
Who's paying more?

[Arijharn]

The Sloth demon can give you your hearts desire though!

[Gibb_Shepard]

tnfstc wrote...

Screw you guys, my girlfriends the shadow broker.

This

[Inverness Moon]

UNAVAILABLE wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

After everything we know so far about them, where does your loyalties lie?

Hmmmm. . . .

Alliance vs. Cerberus

or stated another way

Sloth Demon vs. Greed Demon

Only one logical way out of this dilemma.
Who's paying more?

I think I'll go with the one actively trying to prevent galactic extinction.

[Voutsis1982]

Considering that Bioware has one-two-punched Cerberus into irrelevancy, the Alliance. Yes, they didn't launch a crusade against the Collectors. Why? Because an Alliance or Council military presence in the Terminus systems could provoke the Batarians into a war. But what does that mean?

That means millions or billions of people endangered, pirates and slavers taking advantage of the chaos, and every human colony in the Terminus Systems either massacred or taken hostage by the Batarians. An Alliance taskforce in the Terminus would kill those colonies faster than the Collectors can. That's why the Collectors were sticking to Terminus colonies. And whatever actions the Alliance was actually taking - like investigating disappearances and building cannons on human colonies - they can't tell Shepard as long as you're with a criminal organization.

Back on topic, Bioware has whittled Cerberus down to a bad joke. EDI tells us [and Retribution confirms] that Cerberus is a small organization with one man at the top who does not share power. In all his years of doing this, the Illusive Man has not found a single human being he trusts enough to work on an equal level. That limts Cerberus' size and scope to operations that one man can oversee alone. It could be a much larger organization with greater capabilities if the Illusive Man could share, but he can't. And this is supposed to be the guy to lead the galaxy in a fight against the Reapers?

Then he gets that organization blown out from under him in Retribution. The Illusive Man has pay out of his own accounts to hire muscle from Aria T'Loak, and compromises his best wetwork operative by having him knock on her friggin' door and get DNA scanned. Smooth move. Retribution leaves Cerberus with years of rebuilding to do. They no longer have the operational capabilities that they had at the start of ME2.

And Lair of the Shadow Broker gives Shepard access to an intelligence network that has perforated Cerberus from top to bottom, and is headed by someone Shepard trusts far more than the Illusive Man. And then Liara goes out of her way to say "Oh, the Shadow Broker knew about the Reapers. Before Mass Effect 1." Presumably this is data the Broker collected on Saren's behalf, a whole ream of Reaper info that the Council has never seen. And Liara has it. And she has the means to feed that information to the intelligence services of the Council Races. This is game-changing stuff.

Bioware said the DLC would pave the way to Mass Effect 3. What's happening is the balance is changing. Cerberus was a necessary evil in ME2 because they were the only group that both knew the Reapers were real and were willing to finance a fight against them. That was always going to be a temporary situation, and Retribution and Lair of the Shadow Broker are changing that situation.

Modifié par Voutsis1982, 27 septembre 2010 - 10:17 .

[lovgreno]

^ This. Cerberus has gone from a nesecary ally due to a desperate situation to a liability.

[PurePareidolia]

Alliance/Council all the way - Cerberus are so incompetant that I'm surprised Shepard's face hasn't melted by now, and I wouldn't be surprised if he was reconstructed using 100% all natural soylent green, given Cerberus' track record for "helping humanity". Those guys had a bigger human body count in ME1 than Saren, and literally every single project they do involves somebody, or more likely many people being brutally murdered, tortured or both. In ME2 they do nothing but manipulate Shepard for their own ends, while continuing to display stunning incompetence regarding both equipment, branding and strategy.

Shepard suffers a lot of stigma from his association with them, and given they're a clandestine organization, maybe sticking their logo on absolutely everything I owned was, in retrospect a poor choice.

Literally everything they touch is made worse by their involvement, barring their reconstruction of Shepard and the Normandy SR2. I guess Shepard woke up before they could commission a crew of Rachni and Thorian creepers and they had to improvise by using the human fodder.



At least the alliance/council had the sense to stay out of my way, clean up after me and occasionally transmit me useful intel, and warn me of the risks. I can forgive them being doubtful of the reapers if they keep doing that.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Arijharn wrote...

The Sloth demon can give you your hearts desire though!

But it hurts my eyes so much!

[Schattenkeil]

I vote for the council.

Voutsis1982 wrote...
An Alliance taskforce in the Terminus would kill those colonies faster than the Collectors can. That's why the Collectors were sticking to Terminus colonies.

The Omega-4 relay is the only way to the collector base from all we know and the collectors were there since the reapers created them out of indoctrinated protheans fifty thousand years ago. The location of their base in the terminus is coincidence. And they have little reason to attack human colonies that further away and better defended.

Modifié par Schattenkeil, 27 septembre 2010 - 01:53 .

[Inverness Moon]

Voutsis1982 wrote...

Considering that Bioware has one-two-punched Cerberus into irrelevancy, the Alliance. Yes, they didn't launch a crusade against the Collectors. Why? Because an Alliance or Council military presence in the Terminus systems could provoke the Batarians into a war. But what does that mean?

That means they should make like Cerberus and build another stealth ship. Shepard didn't "launch a crusade" against the collectors either, and they're dead now.

[lovgreno]

PurePareidolia wrote...Cerberus are so incompetent that I'm surprised Shepard's face hasn't melted by now,

Actualy the Cerberus built face Shepard have is melting, at least if you have some renegade points. Luckily Shepard has people on board who works for him/her rather than Failberus, for example Dr Shackwas who built a face repairing machine for you. Lucky that it was not a machine of typical Cerberus design, we all know how that usualy ends. It could have turned Shepard into Ugly Shepard!

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Voutsis1982 wrote...

And then Liara goes out of her way to say "Oh, the Shadow Broker knew about the Reapers. Before Mass Effect 1." Presumably this is data the Broker collected on Saren's behalf, a whole ream of Reaper info that the Council has never seen. And Liara has it. And she has the means to feed that information to the intelligence services of the Council Races. This is game-changing stuff. 

[jbblue05]

Its hilarious how people want to believe Cerberus is completely incompetent and useless to Shepard now.

Its funny how you guys point out TSB getting intel on TIM's liaisons and how TSB  has a larger network then Cerberus.

But you guys fail to point out how Cerberus had Feron and Sekat infiltrate TSB to recover Shepard's body and discover the location of TSB base.
TSB clearly viewed Cerberus as a rival that's why he wanted to assasinate TIM.  Too bad TIM beat TSB to the punch because Cerberus is so incompetent

TSB is curious about the Reapers but I'm not sure if he knows just as much or more then Cerberus any guess is just supposition.

Just so you guys remember the Derelict Reaper that was destroyed by the Mass Accelerator Gun.  You guys do know Cerberus has that weapon right and they're studying indoctrination on Grayson.
 I'm not so sure if Cerberus is so useless.


I'm sure Liara can be just as useful or more then Cerberus and vice-versa.

Cerberus knows about Liara, cleaned out the moles in their organization, and knows where TSB base is.
So if anyone is a liability its Liara.