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[Merlin 47]

jbblue05 wrote...
I'm sure Liara can be just as useful or more then Cerberus and vice-versa.

Cerberus knows about Liara, cleaned out the moles in their organization, and knows where TSB base is.
So if anyone is a liability its Liara. 

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Randy1083 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Mariah5 wrote...

Neither,
as a SPECTRE my sheps' loyalties lie with the council.

LOL, you
didn't take an oath of loyalty to the council. I'm sure as an alliance
solider, like all military soldiers, you took an oath to defend the
alliance.

Except that Shepard left the Alliance when he became a
Spectre.

I'm with Mariah5 on this one. My allegiance is to the Citadel Council and all races under its banner.

Seconded.

PWENER wrote...

lovgreno wrote...



 the Alliance is simply stronger than Cerberus.

For now..... remember the Collector Base?  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png

You mean that thing I blew up?  Sure...it's debris is still floating around I think.  What about it? 

Modifié par Merlin 47, 27 septembre 2010 - 05:24 .

[jbblue05]

Merlin 47 wrote...

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Trustworthy and usefulness are one in the same.
I think your looking for the word sincere

Hopefully Shepard is not too far away from Liara if Cerberus believes its best to assasinate Liara.
I don't think they will because that would be counter-productive to work against the guy who you need to take down the Reapers

[Merlin 47]

jbblue05 wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Trustworthy and usefulness are one in the same.
I think your looking for the word sincere

Hopefully Shepard is not too far away from Liara if Cerberus believes its best to assasinate Liara.
I don't think they will because that would be counter-productive to work against the guy who you need to take down the Reapers

No...the word IS trustworthy that I'm looking for.  I DON'T trust Cerberus and I still expect TIM to somehow get me to do his bidding in ME 3.  I may not have liked being "forced" to work with Cerberus in ME 2, but at least I had the satisfaction of giving the Cerberus Intel to the Alliance and blowing up the Collector Base at the end.

I can't speak for others that didn't care for Cerberus.  I never said that Cerberus wasn't useful; they informed me of what was going on and gave me a starting point.  I did the rest with people that I knew also didn't really trust Cerberus (aside from Miranda).

Modifié par Merlin 47, 27 septembre 2010 - 05:54 .

[Sajuro]

jbblue05 wrote...


TSB is curious about the Reapers but I'm not sure if he knows just as much or more then Cerberus any guess is just supposition.

Just so you guys remember the Derelict Reaper that was destroyed by the Mass Accelerator Gun.  You guys do know Cerberus has that weapon right and they're studying indoctrination on Grayson.
 I'm not so sure if Cerberus is so useless.

Though the Shadow Broker knew what the Collector's were and what the Reapers were going to do since he wanted to find a way to ride out the storm.

Oh, and that mass accelerator weapon isn't operational anymore, so Cerberus has some scrap metal.

[jbblue05]

Sajuro wrote...


Though the Shadow Broker knew what the Collector's were and what the Reapers were going to do since he wanted to find a way to ride out the storm.

Oh, and that mass accelerator weapon isn't operational anymore, so Cerberus has some scrap metal.

I don't doubt TSB has intel on the Reapers or Collectors I'm just not sure if the data will be new or something we already knew.

The Turians reverse-engineered Sovereign's thanix cannon which was "scrap metal"

I'm sure Cerberus can do the same with the Mass Accelerator gun

[Voutsis1982]

jbblue05 wrote...

Its hilarious how people want to believe Cerberus is completely incompetent and useless to Shepard now.

It's not what we want to believe, it's what in Retribution. And it's not completely useless, just dramatically reduced and largely redundant,  thanks to Bioware's work. They said they would lay the groundwork for ME3, and that groundwork involves destroying big chunks of Cerberus and giving you access to another intelligence network.

Just so you guys remember the Derelict Reaper that was destroyed by the Mass Accelerator Gun.  You guys do know Cerberus has that weapon right

So did its creators

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Merlin 47 wrote...

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Uh... wasn't Liara the one that handed you over to Cerberus?

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 27 septembre 2010 - 06:37 .

[jbblue05]

Merlin 47 wrote...


No...the word IS trustworthy that I'm looking for.  I DON'T trust Cerberus and I still expect TIM to somehow get me to do his bidding in ME 3.  I may not have liked being "forced" to work with Cerberus in ME 2, but at least I had the satisfaction of giving the Cerberus Intel to the Alliance and blowing up the Collector Base at the end.

I can't speak for others that didn't care for Cerberus.  I never said that Cerberus wasn't useful; they informed me of what was going on and gave me a starting point.  I did the rest with people that I knew also didn't really trust Cerberus (aside from Miranda).

I really believe its sincere.

You know TIM's going to do whatever it takes to help you defeat the Reapers. And is going to give you useful intel but you will always wonder if their is another motive.  Which means TIM is not sincere  trying to get you "to kill two birds with one stone"

Your squad only joins Shepard because a favor for a favor.  They don't join you because they don't like Cerberus. 

[Merlin 47]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Uh... wasn't Liara the one that handed you over to Cerberus?

Minor detail


She did and yes, I'm rather grateful they did bring me back.  But that's where the gratitude ends for me.  I really don't trust Cerberus, as they're an elitist "pro-human" group and my Shepard prefers to defend the Council and all the races they represent.  I won't lie; I really thought that maybe I could trust TIM and Cerberus.....until it came time to blow up the Collector base and he threw a hissy fit.  THAT sent a red flag up to me immediately.  A leopard can't ever change it's spots......

Is the Council any better?  No, but they represent not just the Turian/Salarian/Asari people, but all the races of the Galaxy.  That's where I'd put my trust in more.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Look man if the scar on Klendagon was the result of a glancing blow then obviously it was fired from space by some other craft - Probably a scar left by a Reapers spinal-mounted main gun, In any case it seems likely that whoever fired the weapon took it with them.

Most likely it seems that the scar and the derelict reaper is the result of some sort of disagreement amongst the Reapers.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 27 septembre 2010 - 06:50 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Everyone likes using or working for Cerberus on certain projects. If they were so dangerous you'd think that no one would have anything to do with them.

[mosor]

No, but they represent not just the Turian/Salarian/Asari people, but all the races of the Galaxy.  That's where I'd put my trust in more.

 

You have it wrong. They do not represent all the races in the galaxy. Not the quarians, not the batarians, not the geth, not the rachni and not the krogan. Turian, Salarian and Asari work for their interests first and offer little  help to council affiliated races when they are in need. They let the quarians die, they backstabbed the batarians and invited the stronger humans to take their place. When humanity was in need, they tell us to solve our own problems. Screw them. I'll never be pro-council. I'd work for the alliance and cerberus. It doesn't have to be one or another.

As for throwing a hissy fit for chosing to destroy the base. Hell I would too. The choice as presented in game is more about emotional reasons than anything logical or practical.

Modifié par mosor, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[jbblue05]

Voutsis1982 wrote...

It's not what we want to believe, it's what in Retribution. And it's not completely useless, just dramatically reduced and largely redundant,  thanks to Bioware's work. They said they would lay the groundwork for ME3, and that groundwork involves destroying big chunks of Cerberus and giving you access to another intelligence network.

Cerberus survived the attack and will be more cautious if any groundwork has been laid its Grayson being indoctrinated and the useful data TIM has got from it and Sanders dissecting Grayson's body.
Cerberus base is left unscathed and Cerberus can rebuild
Aria is TIM's puppet as long as the credits keep flowing
Shepard and the Alliance don't have access to captured Cerberus stations the Turians do and I doubt they will share it.
Anderson might've put the Alliance at risk because the Turians might find intel that can link the Alliance with Cerberus causing the Alliance to be expelled from the Council or worse

So did its creators

Modifié par jbblue05, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[jbblue05]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Look man if the scar on Klendagon was the result of a glancing blow then obviously it was fired from space by some other craft - Probably a scar left by a Reapers spinal-mounted main gun, In any case it seems likely that whoever fired the weapon took it with them.

Most likely it seems that the scar and the derelict reaper is the result of some sort of disagreement amongst the Reapers.

Cerberus recovered the weapon

[sumof all fear]

I'm sorry but my loyalties lie with space hamster.



ALL WILL BOW BEFORE OUR MIGHTY OVERLORD!

[Anacronian Stryx]

jbblue05 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Look man if the scar on Klendagon was the result of a glancing blow then obviously it was fired from space by some other craft - Probably a scar left by a Reapers spinal-mounted main gun, In any case it seems likely that whoever fired the weapon took it with them.

Most likely it seems that the scar and the derelict reaper is the result of some sort of disagreement amongst the Reapers.

Cerberus recovered the weapon

That's right I forgot that.

[lost lupus]

the council mean nothing to me 'ill save them and keep my spector status because both are useful

i still get to be te law
humainty gain valible ground in the galatic commuinty

outside of that the way they treat other races is woeful and look at what they have done in the past far from pious and that treaty of shanix is used to keep them in power

my loyaty is to the alliance never do itroduce myself as a spector im COMMANDER shepard
the alliance looks out for humanity first

cerberus im spilt they are bloody usefull but too reckless the collector base and indocturnation is too big a risk

TIMs hissy fit makes me doubt his abilty to consider the risks

Modifié par lost lupus, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:40 .

[Cra5y Pineapple]

I dislike all the big organisations. Except Liara's new job which will prove useful.

And the Alliance and the council show themselves as ****s when they both dismiss the reaper threat AND they ignore the fact whole human colonies are dissapearing. That would be like the allies in WWII ignoring the holocaust.
 
For the record, I killed the council to focus on Sovereign because if its a choice between some stupid politicans and the fate of the galaxy, galaxy. And I saved the collector base because if its a choice between Cerberus getting pissed at me or the fate of the galaxy, galaxy.

Modifié par Cra5y Pineapple, 27 septembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[Roamingmachine]

Every last one of my Shepards are Spectre agents.As such, their first and only concern is galactic stability.Shepards human origin can play no part in that, as humanity is only part of the bigger picture.Therefore, Shepards' loyalty in my games is for the council.They are not perfect in any way nor do they reprisent the entire galaxy, but even flawed they reprisent best hope it has for survival and the only real way forward.

[DPSSOC]

Merlin 47 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
I'm sure Liara can be just as useful or more then Cerberus and vice-versa.

Cerberus knows about Liara, cleaned out the moles in their organization, and knows where TSB base is.
So if anyone is a liability its Liara. 

It's not a question about usefulness, it's that Liara is more trustworthy.  And if they were to go after Liara, well....it just gives me another reason to take down Cerberus.

Where does this trust for Liara come from?  I mean I get she helped, a lot, in finding Saren but what did she do?  She probed your mind for one, admittedly valuable, piece of information and didn't try to stab you in the back.  Cerberus has done at least that in ME2.  So what has Liara done to earn such trust?  Given your body to an organization for her own selfish reasons?  While I'm grateful for what she did it doesn't engender trust anymore than Cerberus bringing me back.

[Sajuro]

jbblue05 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...


Though the Shadow Broker knew what the Collector's were and what the Reapers were going to do since he wanted to find a way to ride out the storm.

Oh, and that mass accelerator weapon isn't operational anymore, so Cerberus has some scrap metal.

I don't doubt TSB has intel on the Reapers or Collectors I'm just not sure if the data will be new or something we already knew.

The Turians reverse-engineered Sovereign's thanix cannon which was "scrap metal"

I'm sure Cerberus can do the same with the Mass Accelerator gun

Yes but the Heirarchy does not have quite the record of being indoctrinated by everything more advanced than a microwave.

[Sajuro]

sumof all fear wrote...

I'm sorry but my loyalties lie with space hamster.

ALL WILL BOW BEFORE OUR MIGHTY OVERLORD!

Boo: assuming direct control.

[Voutsis1982]

jbblue05 wrote...
Anderson might've put the Alliance at risk because the Turians might find intel that can link the Alliance with Cerberus causing the Alliance to be expelled from the Council or worse

Shorter jbblue5: "Bioware killing off big chunks of Cerberus, reducing the Illusive Man to paying out of his own pocket to hire Aria's muscle, and giving Shepard a new vast intelligence network, won't have any effect on ME3 at all. But if it does, it will totally be the expulsion of the Alliance from the Council."

...

This will keep me smiling all week.

[Barquiel]

DPSSOC wrote...

Where does this trust for Liara come from? 

Liara has never given you any reason to mistrust her. She helped Shep (as far as she was able to do so), and I doubt she has some evil hidden agenda.

TIM ,on the other hand, lied...more than once.

Modifié par Barquiel, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:10 .

[Arijharn]

Sajuro wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...


Though the Shadow Broker knew what the Collector's were and what the Reapers were going to do since he wanted to find a way to ride out the storm.

Oh, and that mass accelerator weapon isn't operational anymore, so Cerberus has some scrap metal.

I don't doubt TSB has intel on the Reapers or Collectors I'm just not sure if the data will be new or something we already knew.

The Turians reverse-engineered Sovereign's thanix cannon which was "scrap metal"

I'm sure Cerberus can do the same with the Mass Accelerator gun

Yes but the Heirarchy does not have quite the record of being indoctrinated by everything more advanced than a microwave.

The Hierarchy also don't have any record of involvement with the Reapers at all short of getting their faces smashed in when Sovereign decided to make a play for the Citadel, so what's your point?