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[Zan Mura]

My main Sheps is paragon, so the game itself forcers her to side with the Alliance. My alts are paragade - who most represents what I would do -, and a renegade who's also biased as per the game's requirements to be renegade. They are all separate characters, who do what they do, not because I would necessarily act the same way.

But as said, the paragade is closest to my own thoughts. I like to imagine myself as a good person, but I also realise that morals and ethics are a human invention. Being on top of the food chain, living in western rich countries, we can afford to play nice. It's easy to preach mercy and forgiveness from the comfort of your couch, where you can feel all good and cuddly without having to face up to the ugly realities of life. Those realities don't take sides, they just are. And in order to succeed there, when your own survival is at stake, you need to do EVERYTHING you can do, to stay alive.

That's the situation the galaxy is in. The Reapers don't care for how humane you are. The nice little benevolent stories and lessons you leave behind of galactic unity and pretty little flowers and ballet-dancing Rachni or whatnot, Councils dancing kumbayah in your name for saving them etc will not matter, when the galaxy is dead. Culled by the Reapers.

So what would I do? I would have sacrificed the council in ME1, because I had to devote *EVERY* resource to taking down Sovereign. That was no time for compromise. It had nothing to do with human interests, only numbers, facts, and the ugly reality. If I had to waste even one second saving the council, it was a second better spent preventing Sovereign from opening the Citadel relay to the dark space. Failure was not an option, period.

In ME2, I likely would have saved the base. But the whole Cerberus vs. Alliance problem is a difficult one. The Alliance and the council do not see the big picture, Cerberus does. But Cerberus is also controlled by Illusive man, who has personal interest in his own power and the future human dominance of the galaxy, which means his priorities aren't where they should be. The priorities should be saving the galaxy first, saving the galaxy second, saving the galaxy third. NOTHING matters, save for the Reapers. They are a threat of such immense magnitude that a single thought spent on personal powertrips afterwards, is a useless waste of time. And with how careful Cerberus has been in the past, resulting in a bunch of catastrophical things that would have blown in their faces if it weren't for Sheps, they obviously aren't equipped to dealing with the Collector base with enough respect and care for it not to backfire. No. In Cerberus hands, the Collector base would pretty much obviously backfire.

So I would likely just play in the middle. Burn no bridges, try to wedge a path where you can to influence the Alliance and the Council as well as the alien races as much as possible. But at the same time keep Cerberus closeby to use their resources and willingness to do what others are too ignorant to do. Anything, and everything, to save the galaxy. Humanity has nothing to do with it, if it requires immense sacrifice, deeds of great evil etc, none of that would matter to me. The future generations could work those problems out, or kill themselves trying. But if the Reaper threat isn't dealt with, they would never even be given the fighting chance to try.

So tl;dr; Alliance vs. Cerberus? Both. And what if I had to choose? In all honesty, I don' think I ever should. The Illusive man, power hungry as he is, understands this philosophy well enough even if he isn't in total agreement. The Alliance doesn't need to know about Cerberus, and the Illusive man will stay in his place simply because it's more beneficial for him and his goals to do so rather than to attack Sheps, risk the wrath of the Alliance and Council, and condemn the rest of the galaxy to death as a whole.

[AntiChri5]

Its funny how you guys point out TSB getting intel on TIM's liaisons and how TSB  has a larger network then Cerberus.

Well, it's true. The Shadow Broker has vast, intimate details about The Illusive Man when TIM didn't even know what race TSB was.

But you guys fail to point out how Cerberus had Feron and Sekat infiltrate TSB to recover Shepard's body and discover the location of TSB base.

Sekat worked for Liara, not TIM.

TSB clearly viewed Cerberus as a rival that's why he wanted to assasinate TIM.  Too bad TIM beat TSB to the punch because Cerberus is so incompetent

TIM did not assassinate TSB. He provided info to Shep, who helped an associate do so.

TSB is curious about the Reapers but I'm not sure if he knows just as much or more then Cerberus any guess is just supposition.

He knew before us, back before ME 1.

Just so you guys remember the Derelict Reaper that was destroyed by the Mass Accelerator Gun.  You guys do know Cerberus has that weapon right and they're studying indoctrination on Grayson.

Because Mass Effect technology is so new and amazing? And they aren't studying indoctrination on Grayson, Grayson is dead and Kahlee/Anderson have the data.

I'm sure Liara can be just as useful or more then Cerberus and vice-versa.

TSB's network is far superior to TIM's.

Cerberus knows about Liara, cleaned out the moles in their organization, and knows where TSB base is.

TIM did not clean out SB moles, and Liara knows everyhing they know about her.

So if anyone is a liability its Liara.

No, not really.

[Asheer_Khan]

SB known even purpose of timmy's meeting with Asari Matriarch twice in week .

Beside SB network existing much much longer (killed by Shep and Liara SB takeover this "business" 60 years early) that timmy's already shattered information network... and i much more trust Liara than i will ever trust this "CERBERUS IS HUMANITY" megalomaniac...<_<.

And by the way... i hope that in ME 3 we will learn more about TrapDoor project and his potential side effects.

[Arijharn]

lol shand.

[Asheer_Khan]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And by the way... i hope that in ME 3 we will learn more about TrapDoor project and his potential side effects.

Hopefully we'll get to unleash it on the asari.

I am sure you made timmy proud... <_<

[mosor]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And by the way... i hope that in ME 3 we will learn more about TrapDoor project and his potential side effects.

Hopefully we'll get to unleash it on the asari.

So do I. They don't need biotics to make great strippers.

[Barquiel]

mosor wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And by the way... i hope that in ME 3 we will learn more about TrapDoor project and his potential side effects.

Hopefully we'll get to unleash it on the asari.

So do I. They don't need biotics to make great strippers.

...and that's the reason why I never give the collector base to Cerberus (and hope we can take them down in ME3)

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And by the way... i hope that in ME 3 we will learn more about TrapDoor project and his potential side effects.

Hopefully we'll get to unleash it on the asari.

Yes destroy a very strong potential ally when you most need one, And if it fails (has happened before with Cerberus you know) humanity will likely pay for Cerberus shortsightedness even worse than usual. But I guess old fashioned diplomacy is less flashy and badass than biological warfare.

[jbblue05]

Well, it's true. The Shadow Broker has vast, intimate details about The Illusive Man when TIM didn't even know what race TSB was.

How could TIM know a yahg was TSB. Everyone who sees TSB dies nobody knows the species of TSB

Sekat worked for Liara, not TIM.

That's BS don't tell me your serious.
Cerberus put Liara in contact with Sekat

TIM did not assassinate TSB. He provided info to Shep, who helped an associate do so.

Shepard did exactly what TIM waned done

He knew before us, back before ME 1.

What's your point?

Because Mass Effect technology is so new and amazing? And they aren't studying indoctrination on Grayson, Grayson is dead and Kahlee/Anderson have the data.

Your wrong Sanders and Anderson don't have the data Aria's thugs killed the turians and captured anderson and Sanders before they could decipher the data.
At the end of Retribution TIM has Aria recovering the data on the Cerberus station where the indoctrination experiments took place.

TSB's network is far superior to TIM's.

In some areas but we still don't know how much TIM knows

TIM did not clean out SB moles, and Liara knows everyhing they know about her.

Did you read the mission summary they are cleaning out moles How would Liara know everything Cerberus knows about her does she have direct access to Cerberus intel.

No, not really.

Please explain

[Barquiel]

But you know that TIM couldn't find the SB himself, yes?

If he could, TIM would be the new SB now...and not Liara.

Modifié par Barquiel, 28 septembre 2010 - 04:44 .

[AntiChri5]

How could TIM know a yahg was TSB. Everyone who sees TSB dies nobody knows the species of TSB

How did the Shadow Broker know who TIM was ****ing when nobody else knew so much as what he looked like? The Shadow Broker's spies are better. His information network was better.

That's BS don't tell me your serious.

Cerberus put Liara in contact with Sekat

Sekat was Liaras source. He found out where the Shadow Brokers base was with the information Cerberus gave you, you gave Liara and Liara gave Sekat.

Shepard did exactly what TIM waned done

Shepard did what Shepard wanted, his actions are his own and who they indirectly benefit is irrelevent. Garrus recruitment mission benefits Aria. He did what Aria wanted. Doesnt matter.

Did you read the mission summary they are cleaning out moles How would Liara know everything Cerberus knows about her does she have direct access to Cerberus intel.

She does have direct access to Cerberus intel. How do you think she is getting information from the bugs Cerberus planted on the SR 2? She knows everything they knew about the shadow broker because theu gave her that information to take him down.

Please explain

Liara has a better information network then the Illusive Man, enough political power to start a war in ten minutes if she wants to, a well established reputation that is respected galaxy wide by criminals and ordinary people alike, is fully commited to the fight against the reapers and is in love with you.

TIM has a weakened info network, is considered a terrorist organisation by the entire galaxy, meaning he has almost no allies and a very harmful reputation which will only alienate you from those who can actually help (the ones with the fleets and the armies). And is only fighting the reapers for the survival of humanity (if that). He is not actually commited to their destruction.

TIM is a massive liability and The Shadow Broker is the most potent and commited ally Shepard has ever had.

[jbblue05]

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

How did the Shadow Broker know who TIM was ****ing when nobody else knew so much as what he looked like? The Shadow Broker's spies are better. His information network was better.
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I'm not sure if I would say better since TIM gathered a lot of intel on TSB also and we don't know how vast TIM's network is

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Sekat was Liaras source. He found out where the Shadow Brokers base was with the information Cerberus gave you, you gave Liara and Liara gave Sekat.
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I just played LOTSB again Their is no confirmation of Sekat being with Cerberus
I admit I was mislead I thought the salarian before Feron on the datapad was Sekat.
Still proves TIM knew a lot more then Liara and Sekat did and I'm pretty sure he has his own people investigating the SB
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Shepard did what Shepard wanted, his actions are his own and who they indirectly benefit is irrelevent. Garrus recruitment mission benefits Aria. He did what Aria wanted. Doesnt matter.
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I would say it is revelant.
Cerberuis gave you data that Liara and Shepard used
You've indirectly made Cerberus stronger
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She does have direct access to Cerberus intel. How do you think she is getting information from the bugs Cerberus planted on the SR 2? She knows everything they knew about the shadow broker because theu gave her that information to take him down.
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Everybody on the Normandy SR2 knows their are bugs its common knowledge.  Explain how that gives her direct access to Cerberus databases.  Morinth Mordin, and Miranda should have direct access to Cerberus databases then if your theory holds true.
I don't see how Cerberus giving her data on TSB proves anything

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Liara has a better information network then the Illusive Man, enough political power to start a war in ten minutes if she wants to, a well established reputation that is respected galaxy wide by criminals and ordinary people alike, is fully commited to the fight against the reapers and is in love with you.
[/quote]Liara does have a vast network but you still don't kow how vast Cerberus is just because TSB knew of TIM's liaisons doesn't mean TSB knows Cerberus entire network.
I don't see how Liara's ability to start a war will stop the Reapers. and Cerberus is commited to stopping the Reapers also.
Liara is more sincere than TIM.
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TIM has a weakened info network, is considered a terrorist organisation by the entire galaxy, meaning he has almost no allies and a very harmful reputation which will only alienate you from those who can actually help (the ones with the fleets and the armies). And is only fighting the reapers for the survival of humanity (if that). He is not actually commited to their destruction.
TIM is a massive liability and The Shadow Broker is the most potent and commited ally Shepard has ever had.[/quote]
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TIM does have a weakened network but he is still alive and the Cerberus base is unscathed he can rebuild and at the end of Retribution he has a plan in place.
You forget that TSB is an enemy of the Council and if yu read Retribution and paid attention to the mass effect universe some  aliens don't care about Cerberus reputation as long as the credits keep flowing.
That's entirely naive to believe noone will help you stop the Reapers just because you have affiliations with Cerberus. Its a fight for survival everyone is going to fight the Reapers

Are you sure TIM's the biggest liability.  Shepard and Liara took down TSB in a couple of days.  Turian military suprise attacked Cerberus and TIM survived.
TIM knows Liara's new role, he knows TSB base of operations, he knows the SB moles in his organization.
TIM can't trust Shepard I'm sure he sent his own people to watch Shepard's progress and to spy on Liara its hinted in the mission summary
I'm sure Liara is going to be very helpful in the incoming fight I'm not sure she knows more about the Reapers then Cerberus
Cerberus has a weapon that can one-shot a reaper what does Liara have to fight the Reapers?.
Liara is a huge liability because she doesn't fully understand how TSB operates
 And  Cerberus decides to assasinate Liara since they know her location.

Ask yourself these questions why would Cerberus give a Shepard who blew up the Collectors base and gave TIM the finger would give you intel to take down TSB?
Why would TIM be interested in the Collector's base but not interested in taking over TSB network?
Why send Shepard after TSB when he could send Kai Leng and a squad/platoon of Cerberus Commandos?

TIM is up to something or Bioware has huge holes in the LOTSB story

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 05:34 .

[Asheer_Khan]

If SB was an enemy of the Council then how Barla Von could officially have his little "information shop" almost next to Council Tower, and everyone on the Citadel (including Wrex) known for who he work?

Next question, i wonder how is possible that organization existing from about 40'thy years could have bigger information network than SB'er's spy network existing from centuries?

And yes, Shadow Broker knowns much much more about Reapers than cerberus even can imagine and perhaps his knowledge can even reaching Prothean times since Yahg species apparently survived last harvest.

Klendagon weapon... sorry to burst your bubble but this is nothing more now than piece of 38 million year old broken (so to speak) junk... and last thing.

Fact that we get initial info about SB location from cerberus is just compromise made by Bioware (you can treat this as info recived just before entering O-4 relay) between players who stays loyal to cerberus and decided to tell timmy "see you later alligator" in C-Base.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 28 septembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[AntiChri5]

[quote]I'm not sure if I would say better since TIM gathered a lot of intel on TSB also and we don't know how vast TIM's network is[/quote]

Not nearly vast enough. How long has the SB been operating? The current one for sixty years. His predecessor? Who knows. He has had two spectres on his payroll, compared to TIM's brief alliance with one. The Information TSB had on TIM is better then the info TIM had on TSB.

[quote]Still proves TIM knew a lot more then Liara and Sekat did and I'm pretty sure he has his own people investigating the SB[/quote]

No it doesnt. He had one piece of the puzzle.

[quote]Cerberuis gave you data that Liara and Shepard used

You've indirectly made Cerberus stronger[/quote]

No, they gave you the data Sekat used to find out TSB location. The pebble that starts the avalanche.

[quote]Everybody on the Normandy SR2 knows their are bugs its common knowledge.  Explain how that gives her direct access to Cerberus databases.  Morinth Mordin, and Miranda should have direct access to Cerberus databases then if your theory holds true.

I don't see how Cerberus giving her data on TSB proves anything[/quote]

She doesnt know there are bugs, she has the information from the bugs. That means one of two things. Either The Shadow Broker has hacked into the bugs and hijacked the info before it gets to Cerberus, or TSB hacked into the Cerberus database that information was sent to. Either way, The Shadow Broker beat TIM at his own game on his own turf and in the middle of his most important operation.

In order to ensure she did as much damage as possible TIM would have sent all information he had. That means she knows what he knows. Now, that information is useless.

[quote]Liara does have a vast network but you still don't kow how vast Cerberus is just because TSB knew of TIM's liaisons doesn't mean TSB knows Cerberus entire network.

I don't see how Liara's ability to start a war will stop the Reapers. and Cerberus is commited to stopping the Reapers also.[/quote]

She knows Cerberus's info on TSB, making it useless. TSB has had at the very very least 80 years to build his network. TIM has had at the most 30.

TSB has significant control over the Asari, Salarian and Turian governments, TIM had some moles in the alliance. Edi stressed how small TIM kept Cerberus, and that was before Retribution. TIM is not commited to stopping the reapers. He is commited to preserving humanity. Just like Saren was commited to preserving turians......

If the reapers offered TIM that they would spare humans in exchange for his help what would he do?

[quote]TIM does have a weakened network but he is still alive and the Cerberus base is unscathed he can rebuild and at the end of Retribution he has a plan in place.

You forget that TSB is an enemy of the Council and if yu read Retribution and paid attention to the mass effect universe some  aliens don't care about Cerberus reputation as long as the credits keep flowing.

That's entirely naive to believe noone will help you stop the Reapers just because you have affiliations with Cerberus. Its a fight for survival everyone is going to fight the Reapers[/quote]

He has a plan, but not much in the way of resources to accomplish it. TSB is an enemy of the council? Where did you get that? TSB is an established institution of galactic politics.

How did Anderson defeat Kai Leng? What secured his victory? Cerberus's reputation. Anderson simply said "he's with Cerberus" and a pair of common criminals supported them on principal. What happens in ME 2? The council doesnt believe you about the reapers. They also doubt you for working with Cerberus, even if you saved them.

[quote]Are you sure TIM's the biggest liability.  Shepard and Liara took down TSB in a couple of days.  Turian military suprise attacked Cerberus and TIM survived.[/quote]

Yes, and Shepard destroys whatever he is up against. TIM survived by running, TSB had plenty of time to do so but did not.

[quote]TIM knows Liara's new role, he knows TSB base of operations, he knows the SB moles in his organization.[/quote]

The info on the location of the base was gotten by Sekat, not Cerberus, he could only know about the moles Liara told him about.

[quote]TIM can't trust Shepard I'm sure he sent his own people to watch Shepard's progress and to spy on Liara its hinted in the mission summary[/quote]

You think they were watching you the whole time? The summary simply said she would have to be watched. Its just meant to show he is suspicious of her.

[quote]I'm sure Liara is going to be very helpful in the incoming fight I'm not sure she knows more about the Reapers then Cerberus[/quote]

She knows everything we did and everything TSB knew.

[quote]Cerberus has a weapon that can one-shot a reaper what does Liara have to fight the Reapers?.[/quote]

No, they dont. They have a big piece of slag from a weapon not too different to what we have. From a civilisation that lost to the reapers. Liara is now a major political player in the galaxy.

[quote]Liara is a huge liability because she doesn't fully understand how TSB operates[/quote]

She is very good at her new job, actually.

[quote] And  Cerberus decides to assasinate Liara since they know her location.[/quote]

Because deciding to kill one of the most powerful people in the galaxy is all you have to do? You dont have to actually pull it off? And she knows all the flaws in TSB's defenses since she exploited them.

[quote]Ask yourself these questions why would Cerberus give a Shepard who blew up the Collectors base and gave TIM the finger would give you intel to take down TSB?[/quote]

He wanted us to do as much damage as possible to TSB.

[quote]Why would TIM be interested in the Collector's base but not interested in taking over TSB network?[/quote]

He was interested in doing so. He underestimated Liara.

[quote]Why send Shepard after TSB when he could send Kai Leng and a squad/platoon of Cerberus Commandos?[/quote]

He doesnt have enough operatives. Especially after Retribution. He has to beg Aria.

[quote]TIM is up to something or Bioware has huge holes in the LOTSB story[/quote]

Or you arent a master at predicting stories.

[jbblue05]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

If SB was an enemy of the Council then how Barla Von could officially have his little "information shop" almost next to Council Tower, and everyone on the Citadel (including Wrex) known for who he work?

Barla Von and Wrex never committed a crime.
Barla Von was a rumored SB agent his official title is a financial advisor
The council doesn't trust anyone who has power

And yes, Shadow Broker knowns much much more about Reapers than cerberus even can imagine and perhaps his knowledge can even reaching Prothean times since Yahg species apparently survived last harvest.

Where's your proof?
supposition inaccurate

Klendagon weapon... sorry to burst your bubble but this is nothing more now than piece of 38 million year old broken (so to speak) junk... and last thing.

Sovereign's thanix cannon is millions of years old and the turians reverse-engineered that.
The 37 million year old derelict Reaper was destroyed and its mass effect core was still operational
Cerberus recovered the weapon and is reverse engineering it
Sorry to burst your bubble
Your just hoping it can't work so  Cerberus can be irrelevant

Fact that we get initial info about SB location from cerberus is just compromise made by Bioware (you can treat this as info recived just before entering O-4 relay) between players who stays loyal to cerberus and decided to tell timmy "see you later alligator" in C-Base.

It makes more sense for Cerberus to get intel on the SB then Liara because Cerberus been around for 20+years while Liara has been looking for 2 years.
Go ahead and choose Liara.
I'm going to work with both and get twice the intel and twice the resources and my mass accelerator gun

[Asheer_Khan]

I'm going to work with both and get twice the intel and twice the resources and my mass accelerator gun

Then be ready for another e-mail from timmy starting with typical for cerberus "Shepard we have problem" information about another scientific breakthrough.

And no, Barla Von was officially known as Shadow Broker representative on Citadel because he sells something what everyone needed (aka informations).

Yes i stand with Liara and Council and hope that ME 3 will give me chance to shut down cerberus once for all before timmy drag Earth and Alliance in galaxy wide conflict with other species...

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 28 septembre 2010 - 07:32 .

[jbblue05]

[quote]AntiChri5 wrote...

Not nearly vast enough. How long has the SB been operating? The current one for sixty years. His predecessor? Who knows. He has had two spectres on his payroll, compared to TIM's brief alliance with one. The Information TSB had on TIM is better then the info TIM had on TSB.
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How are his spies better then TIM? That's what I'm asking
TIM has a powerful information network if he can put events into place to eliminate TSB
TSB has a more vast network but how relevant is it to stopping the Reapers?
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No it doesnt. He had one piece of the puzzle.
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Did you see how overwhelmed Liara look when she got Cerberus's data on TSB its obvious she was nowhere as close as she thought she was.
Your just hoping Cerberus can be irrelevant.

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No, they gave you the data Sekat used to find out TSB location. The pebble that starts the avalanche.
[/quote]
You think Cerberus wouldn't investigate TSB further.  Why would Cerberus call it quits and leave the rest up to Shepard.

[quote]
She doesnt know there are bugs, she has the information from the bugs. That means one of two things. Either The Shadow Broker has hacked into the bugs and hijacked the info before it gets to Cerberus, or TSB hacked into the Cerberus database that information was sent to. Either way, The Shadow Broker beat TIM at his own game on his own turf and in the middle of his most important operation.
In order to ensure she did as much damage as possible TIM would have sent all information he had. That means she knows what he knows. Now, that information is useless.
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Bugs?  You mean the SB moles in Cerberus that Cerberus cleaned out.  If TSB beat team at his own game why it TSB dead and TIM is still alive?  If TSB knows the exact location of Cerberus' base why hasn't  Liara attack the cerberus base or pass in the info to Shepard?

[quote]
She knows Cerberus's info on TSB, making it useless. TSB has had at the very very least 80 years to build his network. TIM has had at the most 30.
TSB has significant control over the Asari, Salarian and Turian governments, TIM had some moles in the alliance. Edi stressed how small TIM kept Cerberus, and that was before Retribution. TIM is not commited to stopping the reapers. He is commited to preserving humanity. Just like Saren was commited to preserving turians......
If the reapers offered TIM that they would spare humans in exchange for his help what would he do?
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You're forgetting the part where Cerberus knows Liara's location. It doesn't matter how long TSB build up his network Liara is a noob SB.  Again I don't see how her ability to start a war is going to stop the Reapers that would be counterproductive  I'm sure TIM can topple the Alliance with all his connections to them..
Judging by ME2 and Retribution I would say he clearly wants to stop the Reapers. Why would TIM believe them after they made a human reaper and kidnapped and killed tens of thousands of humans
Do you really think all the power Liara has at the tips of her fingers isn't going to change her?  Or are you hoping she stays Paragon
 
[quote]
He has a plan, but not much in the way of resources to accomplish it. TSB is an enemy of the council? Where did you get that? TSB is an established institution of galactic politics.
How did Anderson defeat Kai Leng? What secured his victory? Cerberus's reputation. Anderson simply said "he's with Cerberus" and a pair of common criminals supported them on principal. What happens in ME 2? The council doesnt believe you about the reapers. They also doubt you for working with Cerberus, even if you saved them.[/quote]

Are you sure he doesn't have resources he was pratically throwing millions of credits at Aria.
Shepard says so and if you know anything about the Council they don't trust anyone in a position of power.
The SB is well-known and powerful.  Why does TSB hide in a lightning storm in the Terminus Systems if the Council didn't have a problem with him. 
Have you noticed aliens who call Cerberus anti-alien can't even point to a specific reason why?
Those turians are idiots if they believe two humans claiming Kai Leng is Cerberus without proof. If anything they should believe that all 3 are part of Cerberus
Why does Aria work for Cerberus then, oh that's right credits are very persuasive
It doesn't matter if the Council doesn't trust you for working with Cerberus they are stilll sitting with theirs thumbs up their asses.  Not working with Cerberus anymore isn't going to make them automatically believe in the Reapers.
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Yes, and Shepard destroys whatever he is up against. TIM survived by running, TSB had plenty of time to do so but did not.
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TIM didn't run away he was going to go down in a blaze of glory but Kai Leng saved his ass.
TIM even killed a Turian

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The info on the location of the base was gotten by Sekat, not Cerberus, he could only know about the moles Liara told him about.
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Did you read the mission summary
Cerberus would send their own people to keep tabs on Shepard to  make sure Shepard succeeds. 
Why would Cerberus sit back and do nothing?

[quote]You think they were watching you the whole time? The summary simply said she would have to be watched. Its just meant to show he is suspicious of her.
[/quote]
Why not watch Shepard    Kai Leng was stalking Grayson for a couple of days.
Liara is being watched which is *hint* *hint* means they know where she is
Don't forget nobody but Liara, Feron, Shepard,  and 3rd squad member knows Liara's new identity 
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She knows everything we did and everything TSB knew.
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Of course
TIM gives you the feeling that he knows more then he is  letting on.  Especially that mass accelerator gun

[quote]No, they dont. They have a big piece of slag from a weapon not too different to what we have. From a civilisation that lost to the reapers. Liara is now a major political player in the galaxy.
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Are you just hoping it won't work so Cerberus is irrelevant.  Its obvious Bioware has big plans for that gun
This gun is not similar to Thanix Cannon  the mass accelerator gun ripped a reaper in half with a glancing blow!!! and created the Great Rift on Klengdagon.  Which is a lot more powerful then the thanix cannon Shepard used on the Collector cruiser.
Cerberus recovered that weapon and they believe theyy can get it operational again
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She is very good at her new job, actually.
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Evidence?
Or are you just hoping she's doing an amazing job
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Because deciding to kill one of the most powerful people in the galaxy is all you have to do? You dont have to actually pull it off? And she knows all the flaws in TSB's defenses since she exploited them.
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You forgetting the part where Cerberus is spying on her.
If you cut ties with Cerberus  and Cerberus retaliates killing Liara you have no intel.   Not to mention Kai Leng is one of the best assasins 


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He was interested in doing so. He underestimated Liara
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Tim's not stupid he knows if Liara and Shepard killed the SB it is highly likely an unloyal Shepard would keep the data and screw TIM over again.
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He doesnt have enough operatives. Especially after Retribution. He has to beg Aria.
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LOTSB is before Retribution.  TIM can easily recruit people for his cause


[quote]Or you arent a master at predicting stories.[/quote]
Or you're blind if you can't see the holes in the story
Its too perfect that Liara becomes TSB while Cerberus just sits back and let it happen.

It makes zero sense to send Shepard after TSB when a more loyal Kai Leng is just as suitable for the job

Modifié par jbblue05, 28 septembre 2010 - 08:21 .

[jbblue05]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Then be ready for another e-mail from timmy starting with typical for cerberus "Shepard we have problem" information about another scientific breakthrough.

And no, Barla Von was officially known as Shadow Broker representative on Citadel because he sells something what everyone needed (aka informations).

Yes i stand with Liara and Council and hope that ME 3 will give me chance to shut down cerberus once for all before timmy drag Earth and Alliance in galaxy wide conflict with other species...

I hope you, Liara, and the Council  can come up with good paragon speech check to stop the Reapers.

I'll be happy making humanity a powerhouse its time to dethrone the Asari.  Why do you assume TIM's going to attack aliens he hasn't done anything to aliens as an act of war in the past 26 years.
That would be esxtremely stupid for a 150 member organization to declare war on all nations.  Liara is more likely to start a galactic war then Cerberus

[ISpeakTheTruth]

TIM will start a war with the other species of the galaxy if he's given that Base he even implies it himself. "This base could secure Humanites survival against the Reapers and more." He would use that Technology to gain dominance in the galaxy and he probably wouldn't do it kindly. I see the ending of ME3 after we defeat the Reapers a few years latter there are new Reapers under the TIM's control destroying everything in his way.



There is also a risk that keeping the base and using it to make Reapers could start the cycle all over again. What if those created would then turn against TIM then we would have the same problem all over again.

[mosor]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

TIM will start a war with the other species of the galaxy if he's given that Base he even implies it himself. "This base could secure Humanites survival against the Reapers and more." He would use that Technology to gain dominance in the galaxy and he probably wouldn't do it kindly. I see the ending of ME3 after we defeat the Reapers a few years latter there are new Reapers under the TIM's control destroying everything in his way.

There is also a risk that keeping the base and using it to make Reapers could start the cycle all over again. What if those created would then turn against TIM then we would have the same problem all over again.

Human dominance doesn't equal storm troopers conquoring the galaxy. Dominance means freedom for humanity. Kinda like the United States in todays world. It has global dominance, but that doesn't mean they'll steamroll with arbrams tanks on those cheese eating surrender monkey French just because they irritate us.

Besides, human dominance is kinda predicted from the codex enteries. It states humanity is the sleeping giant. The term the japanese used for America before world war 2. After world war 2, it was indeed a superpower. The same thing is destined to happen for humanity if we survive the reaper invasion.

As for making more reapers. That's beyond the resources of even TIM.

Modifié par mosor, 28 septembre 2010 - 10:24 .

[Barquiel]

To be honest, that "sleeping giant" thing always confuses me.

As you said, the japanese used the term for America before world war 2...and they were right.
The US could outproduce every other nation, had a large poulation and more than enough resources.

The alliance economy on the other hand is tiny (compared to asari and turians) and Terra Nova has the highest population of any Alliance colony (4.4 million)
Illium: 84,900,000
Tali Fia: 3,800,000,000

Modifié par Barquiel, 28 septembre 2010 - 10:44 .

[jbblue05]

Barquiel wrote...

To be honest, that "sleeping giant" thing always confuses me.

As you said, the japanese used the term for America before world war 2...and they were right.
The US could outproduce every other nation, had a large poulation and more than enough resources.

The alliance economy on the other hand is tiny (compared to asari and turians) and Terra Nova has the highest population of any Alliance colony (4.4 million)
Illium: 84,900,000
Tali Fia: 3,800,000,000

I don't see how Cerberus and the Alliance  are going to overrun the galaxy with those odss

it will just be an epic fail if they tried
Sort of like an all-human council  which is stupid

[Moiaussi]

Barquiel wrote...

To be honest, that "sleeping giant" thing always confuses me.

As you said, the japanese used the term for America before world war 2...and they were right.
The US could outproduce every other nation, had a large poulation and more than enough resources.

The alliance economy on the other hand is tiny (compared to asari and turians) and Terra Nova has the highest population of any Alliance colony (4.4 million)
Illium: 84,900,000
Tali Fia: 3,800,000,000

The term comes from the fact that the Alliance navy is understrength for the population level, and that if the Alliance every fully militarized they would become a giant in might, not merely in clout. It conveniently ignores the fact that the other major races are already giants.

As for the colonial population levels, that is the writers having no clue of scale. They also refer to casualties from wars in millions rather than trillions. The collector cruiser is described as being designed to carry the population of Earth, but there is no way it has anything even resembling the neccessary surface area.