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[flem1]

So as you may have noticed from my status, I'm about to start KOTOR2 for the first time (with the content restoration mod, the M4-78 mod, and the apparently now-contraband compatibility patch that makes the two play well together until the "improved" M4-78 mod appears).

Is there much difference between the male and female paths in this game?  I played a male Revan, so maybe I'll do female this time.  Plus I think I read somewhere that canonical Revan is LS M and the canonical KOTOR2 PC is DS F.  But if there's some other consideration, I'd love to hear it.  I take it Carth and Bastila don't appear in this one.

Oh yeah, no spoilers please. 

[Seagloom]

The canonical Exile is a woman, yes, but I think she may also be light side. The main difference is you get the Disciple instead of the Handmaiden in your party. That also means you miss out on that wisdom bonus to defense feat the latter teaches you. Some of the dialogue is different here and there too, but it's mostly minor things. Some flirting and jealousy from Atton, how Atris feels towards your character, a sentence or two from random NPCs, ect...

Modifié par Seagloom, 24 octobre 2009 - 10:30 .

[flem1]

So which would you prefer/recommend?

[Ponce de Leon]

I preferred the female story. But I usually tend to keep her dark side at the beginning (to get Hanharr, I love furry friends!) and neutral side on the late game. It might not be with as many advantages as someone would like, but you can do the bastard at the right times, while do the angel at the even righter times. Like a mercenary.

[Seagloom]

I preferred playing female in KotOR2, but that isn't saying much. I prefer that in most RPGs with a gender option.

Playing a male makes for an easier game if that's a concern. Handmaiden is a stronger NPC than Disciple in my opinion, and the bonus feat you can learn from her is a huge boon to your defense. Honestly I think the designers made it with a male in mind based on some of the typos you see as a female Exile, and the bonus males get.

That she became a female in canon had more to do with fan uproar over George Lucas and Leland Chee's citing Revan as male. It was a consolation prize to placate irate fans.

Modifié par Seagloom, 24 octobre 2009 - 10:48 .

[Ponce de Leon]

Well, you can still choose in KotOR 2 if Revan is female, male, dark side, or light side, so it's again basically a decision of the player, which is why RPGs are so good.

[Enuhal]

While I preffered playing a female Exile as such, I did not really like the disciple. Which is a good reason to play male. So if you are not a friend of paladin-like characters (although the disciple is propably not as shallow as he seems to be), you might prefer playing a male character.



You miss Attons hilarious flirting lines then, though. Other reasons for playing female would include spoilers.

[Maria Caliban]

Seagloom wrote...

The canonical Exile is a woman, yes, but I think she may also be light side.

Indeed. LA does not like its heroes to be anything but light siders.

[GhoXen]

The canon storyline says that Exile is a female light-side Jedi.

[soteria]

Where are you getting this "canon" from exactly?

[Lilaris]

Leland Chee established the Exile as a "heroine" in The New Essential Guide to Droids out of editorial necessity, ensuring that all future printed references to the Exile will describe the Exile as female.

I personally prefer the male Exile, myself. 

[Ponce de Leon]

Enuhal wrote...
You miss Attons hilarious flirting lines then, though. Other reasons for playing female would include spoilers.

The Exile : "Looks like I found some mining uniform in here"
Atton : "Dammit!"

Too funny to skip for me

[flem1]

Well, I ended up going female. Started with a male sentinel but I realized I really wanted to play a consular again. So, had to change something.

Not too concerned about not getting the best feats -- if it's anything like the first game, the fights are all really easy anyway. I mean, I *hope* there's more interesting options than spamming Force Wave or whatnot all day, but one can only do so much without the isometric view.

And yeah, Atton's dialog is hilarious.  Unfortunately, I found the whole first section not only interminably long but a bit dreary (record after record of awful things happening, like Bioshock without the neat art direction), like a quadruple-length Chateau Irenicus.  Also, Kreia has the Melissan smell about her, and it makes little sense that you're supposed to trust her with anything.

Modifié par flem1, 25 octobre 2009 - 10:08 .

[the_one_54321]

i always play males. i cant RP from the perspective of a female.

[the_one_54321]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

The canonical Exile is a woman, yes, but I think she may also be light side.

Indeed. LA does not like its heroes to be anything but light siders.

well Revan was a dark sider acording to canon, you know.

[Ponce de Leon]

flem1 wrote...
Not too concerned about not getting the best feats -- if it's anything like the first game, the fights are all really easy anyway. I mean, I *hope* there's more interesting options than spamming Force Wave or whatnot all day, but one can only do so much without the isometric view.

Heck yeah if there is better than force wave. I prefer force storm myself, light side or dark side. The best force power comes if you are dark side I'm afraid...

And yeah, Atton's dialog is hilarious.  Unfortunately, I found the whole first section not only interminably long but a bit dreary (record after record of awful things happening, like Bioshock without the neat art direction), like a quadruple-length Chateau Irenicus.  Also, Kreia has the Melissan smell about her, and it makes little sense that you're supposed to trust her with anything.

If by Chateau Irenicus you mean "everything until I have some freedom of movement" then yeah, it's a pretty long part.
And stop making strange assumptions about old people you silly!

[GhoXen]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

The canonical Exile is a woman, yes, but I think she may also be light side.

Indeed. LA does not like its heroes to be anything but light siders.

well Revan was a dark sider acording to canon, you know.

At the end of KOTOR 1, the canonical Revan is a light side male.

[the_one_54321]

[quote]GhoXen wrote...

well Revan was a dark sider acording to canon, you know.

[/quote]

At the end of KOTOR 1, the canonical Revan is a light side male.

[/quote]

well, yeah, at the very end. but for most of the game he is supposed to be a dark sider. the whole point of the story of the game is his transition from dark to light. though, mostly likely almost everyone played him as either always dark or always light.

[flem1]

dark-lauron wrote...

Heck yeah if there is better than force wave. I prefer force storm myself, light side or dark side. The best force power comes if you are dark side I'm afraid...

Oh, I saw that.  But that's the same thing -- pick the best area force power and spam it continuously until everyone dies.

I can haz tactics?  Well, there's always DAO.

If by Chateau Irenicus you mean "everything until I have some freedom of movement" then yeah, it's a pretty long part.

It's true that the Taris section of the original was about as long, but that wasn't so monotonously grim.  I'd considered doing some DS but I found it intolerable after all that HK slaughter.

[Maria Caliban]

Female.

[Seagloom]

KotOR2 is ridiculously easier, yes. Easier than the original even once you grab a prestige class. If you go the straightforward route of Consular -> Jedi Master she will able to spam most Force powers without ever running out of mana. Even dark side powers if you raise her charisma. There are only two battles I would consider challenging as a light sider. One early on and the end fight. Aaanyway, good luck. =)

[flem1]

You guys don't mind if I keep talking/asking about KOTOR2 here, I hope?

So I got most of the way thru Dantooine (first planet I picked) and things have really picked up. Met Disciple, Kayvee (sp?) (is she a joinable?), and, when I dropped in on the Ebon Hawk midway, Visas. At last, some interesting people! Also *finally got a lightsaber*. Grr. The ridiculous jedi kung fu stuff isn't a substitute.

Also took force shock and lightning and it's made the fights even easier. And yes, with this consular I can spam this dark side power all day too... Though it doesn't feel very LS.

Considering how I'm going to spec Disciple out as a jedi -- his Dex seems too low to ever really use robes.

Modifié par flem1, 28 octobre 2009 - 12:36 .

[Malanek]

The hardest fights for a force user are one-on-one fights where you are not allowed to use your or equipment. Everything else is easy.

[Enuhal]

Actually, if you don't want to use dark force powers as a lightsider, just don't put any points in them.



A Consular usually has enough force power to spam any spells he wants to, though. Lightning is not needed, considering that stunning all the enemies has more or less the same effect as killing them. I usually RP this game, so there won't be dark side force powers for my lightsiders.



Disciple is... well, it's a little bit strange: He starts as a soldier, and you would expect him to become a guardian. In fact, he becomes a consular, which is rather bad, considering his stats. This makes him difficult to use in an effective way. You might want not to use him at all, though.



By the way, I highly recommend visiting Nar Shaddar as soon as possible.

[Mordaedil]

Sad thing is that for a character, Disciple is pretty much a blank sheet in the game. It's one of the times I wish they didn't include a character, since the other gender character is more interesting by far.
*sighs* Ahh, Briana...