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[Estelindis]

jlb524 wrote...

I'm glad to see Wrex was so popular, given that his fanbase is pretty quite. Where are all the Wrex fans???

I think that, while we'd like more dialogue and action with Wrex (whose magnificence we cannot and will not dispute), his story has gotten perhaps the most closure of any squadmate so far. It doesn't create the need for intense discussion (like Tali, whose future still seems to have lots of potential for change) or the desire to advocate for more game-time and better storytelling (as fans for Ashley and Kaidan want resolution for what happened on Horizon).

Modifié par Estelindis, 26 septembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[xlavaina]

mrsph wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I'm glad to see Wrex was so popular, given that his fanbase is pretty quite. Where are all the Wrex fans???

Everyone is a Wrex fan.

I laughed so hard when I read this comment because I was going to say EXACTLY the same thing. Seriously though, everyone is a wrex fan. Its an undisputed fact, which is why nobody mentions it 

[AntiChri5]

Also note: "evil" characters that were written to be disliked... are more disliked (Morinth, Jack, Zaeed and to a lesser Degree Miranda).  That is the desired goal of the writers, thus signifying success of those characters.  sadly, Unpopular characters like Jacob are unpoular because they were "meh".  Thus a failure in character design. 

You think Jack was evil and written to be hated?

[Estelindis]

...It bothers me that it only now occurs to me to say thank you, XX55XX, for going to the trouble to put this survey together and analyse the results. 

mrsph wrote...

Jacob and Kaidan just continue the tradition of being the leading male character that is always loathed by the majority of the fanbase in Bioware RPGs.

Ah, but Kaidan has been quite successful with female gamers.  Jacob is much less so, due to a combination of FemShep's ridiculously flirty default personal enquiry and the daft (but hilarious) priiiize romance scene.  Hey, at least Jacob gave us an internet meme!

Modifié par Estelindis, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:07 .

[Water Dumple]

Estelindis wrote...

...It bothers me that it only now occurs to me to say thank you, XX55XX, for going to the trouble to put this survey together and analyse the results. 

mrsph wrote...

Jacob and Kaidan just continue the tradition of being the leading male character that is always loathed by the majority of the fanbase in Bioware RPGs.

Ah, but Kaidan has been quite successful with female gamers.  Jacob is much less so, due to a combination of FemShep's ridiculously flirty default personal enquiry and the daft (but hilarious) priiiize romance scene.  Hey, at least Jacob gave us an internet meme!

The meme is a plus, but recall that Harbinger, Tali, Turian Councillor, and Citadel stores have also given us memes. Not quite as much credit to be given there with all the alternatives.

Kaiden doesn't seem that loathed to me. At least, I enjoy his dialogue and his thread seems to be quite active.

[Giggles_Manically]

mrsph wrote...

Oh, I like Kaidan (he is one of my favorite LIs) but since his voice actor voiced a certain other character Kaidan got hit with a lot of flack for it.

Even though they are nothing alike.

[Tootles FTW]

Why are people so obsessed with associating Carth with Kaidan?  Keith David (Capt Anderson) voiced that unpleasant fellow who always shouts at me in Call of Duty, but I don't hold any grudges towards Anderson for it... 

...anyways, Garrus! 

[Mox Ruuga]

Estelindis wrote...

So Legion and Mordin are the most popular squadmates introduced in ME2 - Mordin even has the lowest standard deviation.  It's interesting to compare their consistent popularity to romanceable characters, who tend to be gain hordes of fans and detractors.  (Garrus, being universally awesome, is the natural exception to this rule.)

8.37 - Garrus
7.99 - Wrex
7.99 - Legion (7.985 vs. Wrex's 7.987)
7.89 - Mordin
7.61 - Liara
7.52 - Tali
7.30 - Kasumi
6.76 - Thane
6.73 - Samara
6.60 - Grunt
6.18 - Miranda
6.07 - Ashley
5.89 - Kaidan
5.81 - Zaeed
5.86 - Jack
4.30 - Jacob
3.32 - Morinth

XX55XX wrote...

And, it also appears that Liara has the best romance. Garrus is considered to be the best squadmate.

I'm not surprised.  I'm an avid Kaidan fangirl, but I still have to concede that Liara has the best romance now that LotSB has been released.  I hope that all the romanceable characters get such a good treatment by the time the series ends.  (I think Bioware could probably even manage it for Jacob.  Probably.)

Garrus' popularity continues to astound me. More popular than Wrex? Eh... Whatever. I guess people like calibrations.

Shame about the low overall rating of Kaidan and Ash, but them being polarizing is nothing new. And Bioware is really the one to blame with here, given the way they were written in ME2.

Curious to see that Kasumi is in the middle-high rankings, whereas Zaeed is one of the least popular. Bah, I like them both. Zaeed > Garrus, IMO.

But Mordin was my favorite squaddie in ME2, so it's gratifying to see that most people agree.

Legion is another "Garrus" to me. I somewhat fail to see the "awesome", but whatever. 

[CroGamer002]

I'm surprised Tali has less then score 8 and not in top 5.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Seems we're a bunch of Xenophiles! I'm pleased to see that Kasumi was the highest rated human character. Such a pity that they couldn't add proper conversations with her on the Normandy...

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Estelindis wrote...
8.37 - Garrus
7.99 - Wrex
7.99 - Legion (7.985 vs. Wrex's 7.987)
7.89 - Mordin
7.61 - Liara
7.52 - Tali
7.30 - Kasumi
6.76 - Thane
6.73 - Samara
6.60 - Grunt
6.18 - Miranda
6.07 - Ashley
5.89 - Kaidan
5.81 - Zaeed
5.86 - Jack
4.30 - Jacob
3.32 - Morinth

Both Samara and Morinth should have been higher on that list. But i'm still glad to see top 1-5 are given to awesome characters.

[RPGmom28]

It doesn't surprise me that Garrus is so popular, due to the fact that he's a great bromance for the guys and a strong supportive friend turned love for femShep. Kaidan was very well drawn.... add Sbarge's voice, and he was in fact a magnetic force to THIS female gamer. Liara's romance got DLC that completed the cycle for the most part.

Modifié par RPGmom28, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:46 .

[Throw_this_away]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Throw_this_away wrote...

 vocal minority on the forum

Your kidding right?

No I am not.  

The fans on the forum are a minority compared to the ~2 million that bought the game (the same ones that are 80% maleshep, majority soldiers, etc).  Forum types like me, like you are not the average ME2 fan.  Thus we are really a minority, but we are more vocal because everyone else is playing MW2 and Halo Reach.  

As a result, I was skeptical that the results of such a poll would be highly skewed to forum types (and they are), not the average ME2 gamer.  To see the opinions of the average gamer we need Bioware's in game stats. 

Given the focus of the survey on forum types, the interesting part to me is that by forcing gamers to not choose favorites, we see a slightly different result than one might expect based on Forum  posts.  Wrex is hugely popular despite minimal fan activity, Tali, and even Liara, "underperform" given their apparent popularity around here.  They may have more people than any other character that prefer them, but they also have people that don't care about them.  Wrex and Garrus do well, because most people like them, even if they may not be their favorite.  

Also, The "nice" characters that were written with the intention to be liked... are at the top of the list for the most part.  The "evil" polarizing characters that were written to push your buttons are at the bottom of the list, as expected.  

[Throw_this_away]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Also note: "evil" characters that were written to be disliked... are more disliked (Morinth, Jack, Zaeed and to a lesser Degree Miranda).  That is the desired goal of the writers, thus signifying success of those characters.  sadly, Unpopular characters like Jacob are unpoular because they were "meh".  Thus a failure in character design. 

You think Jack was evil and written to be hated?

Yes, sort of. 

I like to contrast Jack w Tali.  Tali was written to be likeable.  She is friendly, sweet, loyal, virginal, throws herself at you, etc.  Why would you not like her?  Most people like those traits in someone, so few people will actually dislike her.  Jack on the other hand is rude, arrogant, pushes you away and tells you to "F&%# off" in the game.  She makes being her friend a hard job.  A lot of people will be turned off by her initial persona.  Also, a lot of people will judge her in a negative view for her past actions.  She is harder to like, and she is written that way.  

Both are successful characters because they are liked or disliked according to the intentions of the writers.  Jacob is a failure as a character however.  People were supposed to like him.  

[Merlin 47]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Why are people so obsessed with associating Carth with Kaidan?  Keith David (Capt Anderson) voiced that unpleasant fellow who always shouts at me in Call of Duty, but I don't hold any grudges towards Anderson for it....

Which is odd for me; I loved Carth (see no reason to hate Kaiden for that reason).  I just didn't care for Kaiden as a character.  I found him bland, whiny and compared to Liara as a biotic, useless.

I'm surprised when it comes to Zaeed and Kaiden.  I would rate Zaeed higher than both Kaiden and Ash.  It doesn't surprise me that Liara has the best romance; it was very well done!  I see Throw's point about the "bad" characters being disliked, but I don't really view Jack as "bad".  Sure, she did bad things, but if you're playing a Paragon Shepard, she actually....softens up quite a bit.  And I didn't even romance her and she actually was polite and friendly with me; same deal for Zaeed.  The only character that I view as "bad" is Morinth, and it doesn't surprise me that she's at the bottom.

[Pacifien]

Sometimes I wonder what the results would be if you split Jacob into two categories: Jacob nonromanced/Jacob romanced. I actually quite like Jacob as a character when I'm not romancing him, though it is incredibly difficult to steer the conversation in a path where female Shepard doesn't sound like she's salvating all over his abs even with harmless conversation choices. Jacob's final line in the dialogue tree gives me all the warm fuzzies that we can survive that mission and celebrate on the Citadel. He totally gets an 8 for that.

But as a romance, he plummets down to a 3 through no fault of his own. I didn't even make it to "the priiize" before I decided it was the worst romance I've ever had to suffer. So I chose not to suffer through it and avoid it at all costs. If the ME2 writers ever have a panel during a convention, I will give someone $50 to stand up and ask them to explain the Jacob romance and not back down until they really do explain their reasoning behind it and what they thought of the reaction it got.

Anyway, I have my own analysis of the results as well, though I did cut out most of the people who didn't verify taking the survey. Because I also did an analysis of a poll ran on BSN, I wasn't all surprised at the results I was seeing for this survey. There was a larger sample size with the survey and some of the questions were a bit more detailed, but the trends were pretty much the same. I'll see if I can find the post I made about it.

ETA: Here's the demographic polls. The noticeable difference will be Liara, as that poll was done pre-LotSB. She still had a strong showing before that, though. Garrus also had a strong showing even though his romance popularity drops in XX55XX's survey. Probably because, while he's on the romance poll, people voted for him as a nonromance option, too.

Modifié par Pacifien, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[RPGmom28]

Jacob is the only character that asks you how you're doing and what's on your mind. I liked that scene. He's obviously a good man. It's Shepard's demeanor during the entire romance that's creepy.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Interesting analysis. The top ten are more or less what I expected.

[Fiery Phoenix]

mrsph wrote...

It doesn't really surprise me that Morinth is so unpopular. Because she is barely a character at all.

I don't know if anyone agrees, but I personally view Morinth as a "bonus" or an "easter egg". She hardly feels like a character.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

It doesn't really surprise me that Morinth is so unpopular. Because she is barely a character at all.

I don't know if anyone agrees, but I personally view Morinth as a "bonus" or an "easter egg". She hardly feels like a character.

Yeah. I don't consider Morinth a real squadmate. Rather I just view her as the most memorable side quest character in the mass effect series so far.

[XX55XX]

I do recall from the results of a previous poll that Jacob's score was far lower amongst females than males. Males still gave him a low raiting, but his average amongst the male demographic was at least a point higher than score for the female demographic.

Personally, I didn't like Jacob all that much. Even Zaeed was a cooler dude.