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[XX55XX]

Quaay wrote...

So maybe a smaller scale would work better in the future. Like 5 instead of 10. Love, like, neutral, dislike, hate?

I thought about doing that... It would be more concise, but it would be hard to compare results using a new scale to old results. After all, comparison with older surveys is pretty important to me to see which characters have become more/less popular, etc.

[brfritos]

Mondo47 wrote...

I expected Jack to do a little better, not by much, but better than that. Oh well... I guess passive, agreeable characters that kiss the player's ass are all people really want <_<

Bitter? Me? Nah. I'll be over here with my Wrex and Jack plushies...

Yes, I'm a bit disppointed with the results too.
And this is not because I like Jack AND Jacob.

These two are the only ones that don't get crap from Shepard. If you try to tell them whatever you want the way you want, they pretty much tell Shepard to F*** OFF and roll over under a Elcor.
The rest of your squad accepts EVERYTHING you tell, the way you wanna tell.

I mean, WTF, there some things that Shepard tell to the squad that are pretty much arrogant.
Mind your damn business, pal.
In the real world 90% of people would probably smack his/her face.

Modifié par brfritos, 28 septembre 2010 - 01:42 .

[siriusrambles]

XX55XX wrote...
Your vote was counted. I ended up counting everyone's vote.

i thought the point of verifying your vote was to elminate cheating.  are you gonna post the results sans unverified ones in the future?

[sevalaricgirl]

Frankly, I won't buy ME3 if Kaidan isn't back. I feel that strongly. Kaidan is a 10 in my book, romance wise and a 6 combat wise but Bioware can fix that. Romance wise, forget everyone else. There was no real temptation in ME2 for me. I missed Kaidan.

BTW, I liked Carth too and Scorch from Republic Commando. 

Modifié par sevalaricgirl, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Estelindis]

siriusrambles wrote...
i thought the point of verifying your vote was to elminate cheating.  are you gonna post the results sans unverified ones in the future?

Pacifien has eliminated the unverified votes.

Modifié par Estelindis, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:42 .

[implodinggoat]

Mondo47 wrote...

I expected Jack to do a little better, not by much, but better than that. Oh well... I guess passive, agreeable characters that kiss the player's ass are all people really want <_<

Bitter? Me? Nah. I'll be over here with my Wrex and Jack plushies...

I love Wrex; but Jack pisses me off.  Although frankly its not because of the way Jack is written; but the way Shepard is written.  Jack gives you **** for the entire game and Shepard just takes it as though she weren't on his ****ing ship.  I mean hell, at one point she jumps up on a table and Shepard flinches out of fear.

That's the big problem its not that Jack is argumentative its that its all one way.  She's constantly undermining your authority and you just let it slide and thats crap.  With Wrex Shepard pushed back and you got the sense that even though they were both very strong willed they came to respect eachother.  Unless you romance her Jack shows you no respect and why should she when you let her push you around on your own damned ship?

Shepard being gutless is a recurring problem in ME2 though, the bits with Jack pushing Shepard around are more in your face; but the way Shepard lets Cerberus push him/her around for the entire game is far worse.

I mean on Horizon, I told the Illusive Man that we needed to call the Alliance for back up to help fight of the Collector Abduction and he say "No, I don't want the Alliance getting in the way before we have a chance to investigate"  and Shepard just goes along with that ****.  I mean your placing an order from some terrorist **** above the lives of thousands of Colonists?  What the ****?

[implodinggoat]

disregard

Modifié par implodinggoat, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:59 .

[Haventh]

I'm surprised with the results. Though it doesn't matter to me that my favorite (Legion and Tali) didn't get on the absolute top of the list. People are different, it is just the way of the world, it wouldn't change my mind about my fav chars seeing this, or the opinion of those i didn't like so much (like Kaidan and Jacob). 

[Cerrydd]

XX55XX wrote...

1. Initial Results (Complete Raw Data)

Google Docs Link
SPSS Data Set

Did you upload the complete dataset somewhere? I notice that the SPSS save only has the numbers for the characters. I'd like to have a set with age and sex included if possible.

[XX55XX]

Cerrydd wrote...

XX55XX wrote...

1. Initial Results (Complete Raw Data)

Google Docs Link
SPSS Data Set

Did you upload the complete dataset somewhere? I notice that the SPSS save only has the numbers for the characters. I'd like to have a set with age and sex included if possible.

Those will be coming shortly, if I can find the time to upload them. I do have them, actually.

And age/sexual orientation will be coming soon.

[SweetPuff]

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this before. I believe the voice actors play a large part in us liking or connecting to the characters.

For me personally, the voices that gave life to Wrex, Tali, Samara and Garrus are really memorable and add a lot to their personality. And I can't imagine anyone else that can fit Mordin!

Modifié par SweetPuff, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:57 .

[Merlin 47]

implodinggoat wrote...

I love Wrex; but Jack pisses me off.  Although frankly its not because of the way Jack is written; but the way Shepard is written.  Jack gives you **** for the entire game and Shepard just takes it as though she weren't on his ****ing ship.  I mean hell, at one point she jumps up on a table and Shepard flinches out of fear.

That's the big problem its not that Jack is argumentative its that its all one way.  She's constantly undermining your authority and you just let it slide and thats crap.  With Wrex Shepard pushed back and you got the sense that even though they were both very strong willed they came to respect eachother.  Unless you romance her Jack shows you no respect and why should she when you let her push you around on your own damned ship?

Shepard being gutless is a recurring problem in ME2 though, the bits with Jack pushing Shepard around are more in your face; but the way Shepard lets Cerberus push him/her around for the entire game is far worse.

I mean on Horizon, I told the Illusive Man that we needed to call the Alliance for back up to help fight of the Collector Abduction and he say "No, I don't want the Alliance getting in the way before we have a chance to investigate"  and Shepard just goes along with that ****.  I mean your placing an order from some terrorist **** above the lives of thousands of Colonists?  What the ****?

Exactly; on all levels.  I disagree with brfritos about Jacob telling you to "F-off".  I never had him come across that way to me at all.  The only person that did was Jack; again, I do wish they offered a "friendship" path for all characters that you can't/don't romance.  I think Jack would have been more likable then.

As for the whole "working for Cerberus" debacle, let's save that for a different topic.  But I agree with you 100% on that one, too Implodinggoat.

SweetPuff wrote...

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this
before. I believe the voice actors play a large part in us liking or
connecting to the characters.

For me personally, the voices that
gave life to Wrex, Tali, Samara and Garrus are really memorable and add a
lot to their personality. And I can't imagine anyone else that can fit
Mordin!

I would agree with this.....except for who you talk to regarding Kaiden.  Many don't like him because he voiced Carth.  I actually liked Carth, but didn't care for Kaiden.  But yes, I do agree with you about how a voice actor DOES play a big role in how likeable a character is.

[RPGmom28]

A great voice actor also has a lot to do with how long it takes for a character to grow on you. I admit that I've really come to like Jacob in large part due to his deep voice and his combat calls- silly, but true! And even though in DAO I like Sten the best, I could listen to Alistair talk for hours.

[Elyvern]

SweetPuff wrote...

Not sure if anyone's mentioned this before. I believe the voice actors play a large part in us liking or connecting to the characters.

For me personally, the voices that gave life to Wrex, Tali, Samara and Garrus are really memorable and add a lot to their personality. And I can't imagine anyone else that can fit Mordin!

Absolutely. I'll give kudos to the Bioware team for attempting to inject facial emotions when needed, but for a character like Tali, it's really entirely up to the VA to make it convincing. I still don't like Tali's voice because I feel it's too shrill, but hats off to her voice actor for convincing me that she's crying behind the helmet.

And I agree with the poster above, that even combat invectives make a difference. Love bringing Garrus & Miranda on missions because their voices just add that needed controlled urgency to the fights. Miranda's imperious voice just makes me want to go "order me around somemore!" Rawr!

[Ieldra]

I just noticed the difference in Pacifien's results between the male and female gamers regarding LI characters: among the men, Miranda is third after Tali and Liara (quite good, actually), but last, even after Jack, among the women. That's extreme. I wonder why.

[Saibh]

I'm glad the survey was done--it doesn't match up at all with what I believe, but it's interesting for objective purposes. Of course, the feelings of the BSN fans vs everyone else isn't exactly correct: one day I'd like to see a more complete list of information like we were given not too long ago about the statistics of playthroughs.

I'd be more worried if not for a comment like this. I'd like to believe they really do focus on all romances equally. I'm not going to like Jacob because they decide too many people are uninterested and make his romance even more boring. I don't want to feel that, as a male Shepard, I'm being told I picked wrong for not romancing Tali or Liara because they're popular. As a female Shepard, I really hate feeling like we get less content and time period--romance-wise, they were pretty on-par with each other, but I wouldn't want statistics to affect that later.

Modifié par Saibh, 30 septembre 2010 - 06:41 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Pacifien wrote...

That's the problem with scales, everyone has a different idea of what a 10, 5, or 1 mean.

For the characters I gave a 10, they were characters that would seriously displease me if they weren't in ME3.

For those I gave a 9, I'd be sad if they weren't in ME3, but I might be able to handle it if the story was awesome.

Characters at an 8 I was quite fond of.

Characters at a 7 I liked well enough.

Characters at a 6 were okay, but didn't thrill me in some memorable way.

At 5 were the characters who I was so indifferent towards, I could say I liked or disliked them. Actually, that's not true. The one character I gave a 5 was actually more of an average of my two opinions of the character. Jacob: great bro, horrible romance.

The only one the scored low for me was Morinth because she's a non-character to me. The only time I took her side was to get Dominate, and then I reloaded to pick Samara then. Morinth is interesting to me as a character within Samara's loyalty mission. As a squadmate, she sucks.

That's pretty much my thought process too. Morinth is essentially the only character I gave below a 5 because she really the only squadmate I don't care for. Even characters I'm pretty indifferent towards, like Jack or Zaeed get at least a 5 or 6.

[PrinceLionheart]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed the difference in Pacifien's results between the male and female gamers regarding LI characters: among the men, Miranda is third after Tali and Liara (quite good, actually), but last, even after Jack, among the women. That's extreme. I wonder why.

I think Miranda, as a LI, was developed for male gamers in mind. I believe Smudboy referred to her as a"Bond Girl" which I actually feel is accurate. I mean seriously, if you look at pics of her on Deviantart, most female gamers there mock her for having an inferiority complex while at the same time bragging about how "perfect" she is.

That and they're jealous of Miranda's hair. 

[mopotter]

mrsph wrote...

Oh, Jacob. Somedays I feel that I am the only person who likes you and your romance

I am going to try the Jacob romance with the sound off.    I like Jacob as a character, I dislike Shepard talking to him.

[Saibh]

mopotter wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Oh, Jacob. Somedays I feel that I am the only person who likes you and your romance

I am going to try the Jacob romance with the sound off.    I like Jacob as a character, I dislike Shepard talking to him.

I can't get over how Shepard sounds when she talks to him. I just can't bring myself to make those dialogue choices. I mean, even her opening line sounds sultry ("I'm more interested in just...talking, for a bit"). Of course, there are the little things, like practically sexually harassing him to show an interest in you, or that...Miranda thing.

[mopotter]

sevalaricgirl wrote...

Frankly, I won't buy ME3 if Kaidan isn't back. I feel that strongly. Kaidan is a 10 in my book, romance wise and a 6 combat wise but Bioware can fix that. Romance wise, forget everyone else. There was no real temptation in ME2 for me. I missed Kaidan.

BTW, I liked Carth too and Scorch from Republic Commando. 

Don't even think that!    Kaidan has to come back, his e-mail said so and I'm trusting BW to bring all 3 LI from ME1 back for a grand ending, for those of us who want it.   All of my fem Shepards who shared the romance with Kaidan had no problem staying focused on him in ME2.  

Yes, I'm a Carth fan too.  Still enjoy playing that game for the romance dialogue, or course.  

[mopotter]

Saibh wrote...

mopotter wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Oh, Jacob. Somedays I feel that I am the only person who likes you and your romance

I am going to try the Jacob romance with the sound off.    I like Jacob as a character, I dislike Shepard talking to him.

I can't get over how Shepard sounds when she talks to him. I just can't bring myself to make those dialogue choices. I mean, even her opening line sounds sultry ("I'm more interested in just...talking, for a bit"). Of course, there are the little things, like practically sexually harassing him to show an interest in you, or that...Miranda thing.

Yep, makes me think that when they were restoring Fem Shepard they got some wires crossed, because she would never had sounded like that in ME1.  <_<

[Merlin 47]

mopotter wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Oh, Jacob. Somedays I feel that I am the only person who likes you and your romance

I am going to try the Jacob romance with the sound off.    I like Jacob as a character, I dislike Shepard talking to him.

Yeah....I heard how the lines are delivered *shudders*.......

But Jacob as a character, he's not bad.

I believe the ME 1 LI's will be back; that was the whole point of leaving them out of ME 2, so they were safe and guaranteed to be alive for ME 3.

[implodinggoat]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed the difference in Pacifien's results between the male and female gamers regarding LI characters: among the men, Miranda is third after Tali and Liara (quite good, actually), but last, even after Jack, among the women. That's extreme. I wonder why.

I'd guess its Miranda's outfit.   Its a plus in the eyes of the male populace (myself included), while alot of girl gamers have complained about the gratuitous T&A shots of Miranda.

Even though I like Miranda's character and I'm not adverse to the gratuitous T&A focused camera angles, I found her romance to be rather shallow.  All the romances in ME2 come off feeling like flings rather than love stories (unless you include Liara's romance in LOTSB); but with Jack and Tali there's at least some complications (Tali's suit, Jack's bat **** craziness) while with Miranda its all very straight forward.

PS:  Miranda only had one really memorable piece of romantic interaction an d I think a lot of people might have missed it (I did the first time around) because it's hidden behind a renegade dialogue choice which most people tend to avoid if  they're trying to romance a character.  If you're interested after you've talked to her several times there's a conversation where she starts talking about how she's insecure because she's genetically modified for the second or third time and If you take the pargaon route you lay down some cheesy lines; but if you pick a renegade line along the lines of (You always bring that up), and then be nice to her a little (paragon) you'll have a really great back and forth with her that can end with Shepard laying a kiss on her.  It's a really great scene; but very easy to miss.