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[ToGVita]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I just noticed the difference in Pacifien's results between the male and female gamers regarding LI characters: among the men, Miranda is third after Tali and Liara (quite good, actually), but last, even after Jack, among the women. That's extreme. I wonder why.

I think those results were from a question about favourite LIs, so gives a slightly different perspective on the characters.   The overall rankings for those characters are a little different... Garrus more popular for both sexes for example (many people love his character without thinking that his romance is the best in the game).
Reposting the stats from a few pages back (and including only the 9 LIs):

Female Gamers:                     Male Gamers:
Garrus - 8.09                            Garrus - 8.49                            
Kaidan - 7.61                            Tali - 7.85
Thane - 7.28                              Liara - 7.76
Liara - 7.27                                Thane - 6.53
Tali - 6.78                                   Miranda - 6.24
Ashley - 6.55                              Ashley - 5.85
Jack - 6.52                                 Jack - 5.57
Miranda - 6.04                           Kaidan - 5.12
Jacob - 3.84                               Jacob - 4.50

As far as Miranda is concerned, she is lower on the list for women than men, but her mean score (6.04 for women vs 6.24 for men) is not actually that different.   I think the difference in the order is more to do with the fact that Jack and Ashley are more popular with women than they are with men, and so leapfrog Miranda in the ordering.

[Neria Rose]

Miranda.. the outfit is definitely part of it, but more due to how pronounced her ass is during certain shots with the white and black suit. Her body is attractive, as far as curves go, I suppose, but her face is definitely not appealing. And her voice and accent are both annoying.

Jack is far more interesting, has a much sexier voice, and has a much prettier face.

Modifié par Neria Rose, 01 octobre 2010 - 11:57 .

[Saibh]

Neria Rose wrote...

Miranda.. the outfit is definitely part of it, but more due to how pronounced her ass is during certain shots with the white and black suit. Her body is attractive, as far as curves go, I suppose, but her face is definitely not appealing. And her voice and accent are both annoying.

Jack is far more interesting, has a much sexier voice, and has a much prettier face.

I didn't find Miranda ugly. I think her teeth needed fixing (I mean, everyone else in the galaxy has perfect teeth--and you're genetically engineered!), but I guess they didn't want to offend the actress. I thought the ass shots were gratuitous and made me respect the character less. I would accept why she wore that outfit; I think it was appropriate for her, but if you want to stare at her, use the sniper rifle or something.

I really love Jack. She's my favorite male romance--I understand a lot of guys don't, and I like to think that the writers wrote her fully understanding her personality would grate with a lot of people, but I think she's certainly the deepest male romance, if not the deepest (or at least most interesting) romance period.

[Elyvern]

implodinggoat wrote...

PS:  Miranda only had one really memorable piece of romantic interaction an d I think a lot of people might have missed it (I did the first time around) because it's hidden behind a renegade dialogue choice which most people tend to avoid if  they're trying to romance a character.  If you're interested after you've talked to her several times there's a conversation where she starts talking about how she's insecure because she's genetically modified for the second or third time and If you take the pargaon route you lay down some cheesy lines; but if you pick a renegade line along the lines of (You always bring that up), and then be nice to her a little (paragon) you'll have a really great back and forth with her that can end with Shepard laying a kiss on her.  It's a really great scene; but very easy to miss.

Actually, the most straightfoward way to get that scene is to keep picking the renegade lines after she talks about her insecurities. And yes, I became a big believer after I found that scene. Their argument was very fluid and filled with sexual tension which made the impromptu kiss at the end the more convincing. That was also the scene that sold me on Strahovski's voice work--the way Miranda sounded so flustered but oh so natural. Not to mention the "stop smiling, damnit!" line. Always cracks me up, hah! 

Modifié par Elyvern, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Merlin 47]

Saibh wrote...

I really love Jack. She's my favorite male romance--I understand a lot of guys don't, and I like to think that the writers wrote her fully understanding her personality would grate with a lot of people, but I think she's certainly the deepest male romance, if not the deepest (or at least most interesting) romance period.

Not counting DLC, yes, Jack's is the deepest male romance.  As for being the most interesting....none of them really "grabbed" me as interesting.  My MaleShep saw Jack as a good ally and friend; romance material?  I wasn't her type (she likes breaking the law, I like preserving it; lol).


But....I think we're getting off topic.  I'm not sure if we are or not, but I just want to make people aware of it in case we are.

Modifié par Merlin 47, 01 octobre 2010 - 06:05 .

[RPGmom28]

I don't think Miranda is ugly, but it's been correctly guessed that I didn't like having her rear end shoved in my face all the time in cut scenes and when talking to her. I can see why male gamers like her, but take away the sex appeal factor, and there's not much to grab me. My male Sheps either choose to be faithful to Liara or Ash, or move on with Jack.

[Saibh]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

I really love Jack. She's my favorite male romance--I understand a lot of guys don't, and I like to think that the writers wrote her fully understanding her personality would grate with a lot of people, but I think she's certainly the deepest male romance, if not the deepest (or at least most interesting) romance period.

Not counting DLC, yes, Jack's is the deepest male romance.  As for being the most interesting....none of them really "grabbed" me as interesting.  My MaleShep saw Jack as a good ally and friend; romance material?  I wasn't her type (she likes breaking the law, I like preserving it; lol).


But....I think we're getting off topic.  I'm not sure if we are or not, but I just want to make people aware of it in case we are.

Well, yes, excusing Liara post-DLC, of course. That's a given.

[Merlin 47]

Saibh wrote...
Well, yes, excusing Liara post-DLC, of course. That's a given.

Exactly.


I really like Jack as a character.  As already stated, there's a good person underneath all the barriers she's got up.  She may not be as powerful as a biotic as Liara and Samara, but I like her biotic powers more than I do Miranda's.  I like Miranda's leadership skills and qualities though.

It bothers me that she rates so low among males, but again, I understand why she does.

[Saibh]

mrsph wrote...

I've really not seen that much depth with any of the romances and generally just pick the characters I like. Though some are a little better than the others.

I think ME romances pale in comparison to DA romances. So much so I was unable to enjoy them while playing DAO and ME2 one right after the other. When I gave both a break and picked up ME2 again, suddenly they all seemed more interesting. Most of the depth is conjecture. For instance, I've seen some pretty long write-ups on the Garrus romance. And if you've played that romance--probably my third favorite--there is little actual depth to it. You have to sit around and pick apart every single little word to fathom anything else.

I'm not saying potential isn't there, but all-in-all, the ME romances were very short.

[Merlin 47]

Saibh wrote...

I think ME romances pale in comparison to DA romances. So much so I was unable to enjoy them while playing DAO and ME2 one right after the other. When I gave both a break and picked up ME2 again, suddenly they all seemed more interesting. Most of the depth is conjecture. For instance, I've seen some pretty long write-ups on the Garrus romance. And if you've played that romance--probably my third favorite--there is little actual depth to it. You have to sit around and pick apart every single little word to fathom anything else.

I'm not saying potential isn't there, but all-in-all, the ME romances were very short.

I'm with you, Saibh.  The ME romances have potential, but as a whole are very short.  I immensly enjoyed Dragon Age and their romances.  Granted, both games had different design and writing departments (I believe from what has been said), but the ME romances were very short.

[implodinggoat]

Merlin 47 wrote...

I really like Jack as a character.  As already stated, there's a good person underneath all the barriers she's got up.  She may not be as powerful as a biotic as Liara and Samara, but I like her biotic powers more than I do Miranda's.  I like Miranda's leadership skills and qualities though.

It bothers me that she rates so low among males, but again, I understand why she does.

Jack's a victim; but I think it's a stretch to say she's a good person under all her barriers.  The crap she went through basically turned her into a woman who doesn't care about anyone but herself and who has no real ideals or principles either.   Cerberus made her into a weapon and that's how she behaves. 

What I really find surprising though is that anyone would favor Jack over Miranda in combat.  Miranda is probably the most versatile and powerful squadmate in the game, while Jack is in my opinion the most worthless.  I suppose I can see the upside to Jack if you're playing on a lower difficulty; but on hardcore or insanity Jack is worthless since none of her abilities give you any help against enemy defenses.

Personally I found Jack's romance to be oddly paced.  I can undestand how one would come to sympathize with Jack; but what could possibly cause any sane person to think, "I want to start a relationship with this psychologically damaged woman who constantly disrespects me." ?   I can see Jack's motivation in becoming attracted to Shepard since he's one of the few people who's ever treated her decently; but Jack never does anything that would make Shepard want to get involved with her.

I can understand following a romance with her in a video game; but in reality I don't think anyone would jump off that cliff.

[implodinggoat]

mrsph wrote...

Yeah, that is the problem with the Mass Effect romances. At this point most of them are just 2-3 conversations and a little scene before the final mission. I'm hoping for Mass Effect 3 to expand them and actually add some stuff onto them.

I thought there was one scene in ME1 that really added to the romances in a way ME2 lacked.

In ME2 its a bunch of flirting then your love interest tells you straight up that they want to sleep with you then you have a romp in the bedroom, or engine room.

In ME1 its a bunch of flirting as in ME2; but in place of your lover just saying "I want to sleep with you, come talk to me later."  You have a scene on the Normandy after Udina has locked down the Normandy where Shepard is feeling defeated and dejected, at which point your love interest comes by and basically tells you to stop moping around and act like the badass you are which leads into a scene which shows their intent without them straight up saying "I want to jump your bones".

You get the same give and take in your relationship with Liara in the LOTSB, when Liara actually shows some concern for you. 

That was something lacking in the ME2 romances, there's no point where any of them give Shepard any support.  They just act like damsels or dudes in distress, who'll give you some action if you flirt with them enough.

[RPGmom28]

Jack is useful when you know you're going into a mission where there are rows and rows of husks to mow down. I take her to the reaper IFF mission and that seems to work well.

[Merlin 47]

implodinggoat wrote...

Jack's a victim; but I think it's a stretch to say she's a good person under all her barriers.  The crap she went through basically turned her into a woman who doesn't care about anyone but herself and who has no real ideals or principles either.   Cerberus made her into a weapon and that's how she behaves.

 

I do see your point and you make sense.  I guess I like to see the good in people; I think it's there, you just need to dig for it.  Then again, my stance is always what I've been shown by being Paragon too, but I do try to see the good in anyone.

implodinggoat wrote...
What I really find surprising though is that anyone would favor Jack over Miranda in combat.  Miranda is probably the most versatile and powerful squadmate in the game, while Jack is in my opinion the most worthless.  I suppose I can see the upside to Jack if you're playing on a lower difficulty; but on hardcore or insanity Jack is worthless since none of her abilities give you any help against enemy defenses.

Well, in terms of biotics, I like Jack's because she can mow down husks with her Shockwave and thanks to Primal Adept, her powers recharge faster.  In terms of raw combat, I prefer Miranda, because she's a better shot and combined with both Overload and Warp, she can be quite effective at stripping defenses.  I still like Miranda, I just like the array of Biotics that Jack provides.

implodinggoat wrote...
Personally I found Jack's romance to be oddly paced.  I can undestand how one would come to sympathize with Jack; but what could possibly cause any sane person to think, "I want to start a relationship with this psychologically damaged woman who constantly disrespects me." ?   I can see Jack's motivation in becoming attracted to Shepard since he's one of the few people who's ever treated her decently; but Jack never does anything that would make Shepard want to get involved with her.

Exactly; I'm 100% with you on this.

implodinggoat wrote...
I can understand following a romance with her in a video game; but in reality I don't think anyone would jump off that cliff.

Actually, some do; it's all about what people find attractive and like in a person.  But....that's really not a topic for discussion on these boards, I think.