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[AlanC9]

Dammit, Krytheos -- you didn't leave anything for me.

[KennethAFTopp]

YuniSticksitDeep wrote...

/snip

You're also a game developer?!

[NKKKK]

You know Bungie cut off it's ulimbical cord from Micrpsoft? Yeah, one can hope...

[AlexXIV]

I'm sorry but only stupid people wouldn't be sceptic. That's no reason to be a nay- or doomsayer but I really understand their point better than of those rabid fanboy/gal people who don't really know more than for example I know but still claim that everything is great and perfect. It may even be so, but we don't know that.

Well anyway, it is rather useless to discuss though since there is nothing we can do. At best someone can one day say 'I told you so', but you can't can't pay bills with that. I like this thread really because I didn't know that about Westwood, well, and I learned something. In half a year we will all know more.

[Chaulssin]

Man, I was disappointed in some ways at DA:O. Don't get me wrong, the story, gameplay, everything was awesome... But there were so many problems with the software for me. Slowdowns, crashes, graphical errors (just finished a game where the entire back of Zevrans head was missing. Just gone. :X)



Yet despite all this, I've spent 172 hours or so on DA:O, cause thats just how awesome the game is.



Basically, what I'm saying is.. Less crashes would be good? Something like that.

[AlanC9]

AlexXIV wrote...
... than of those rabid fanboy/gal people who don't really know more than for example I know but still claim that everything is great and perfect. 

Could you point me to one of those posts? I keep hearing about them but I never seem to actually see one for myself.

[Faz432]

At the end of the day people can only form opinions on the information they receive, if people are forming negative opinions it's only because the info they've received has been negative. This is shown by the amount of negative threads Vs positive ones, we're not all just imagining it.

I do find it funny the usual cheerleaders show up against those sharing their opinion, because the game is 'still in development and they should wait and see', they have no right to be apprehensive based on the information they've received so far? what right do the cheerleaders have to be so positive?

I hope DA2 is a sucess and Bioware doesn't go the way of Westwood, but if it did then I'd hope the good people at Bioware currently who love making great games, would leave, build their own company and call it Shimmy Studios....has a ring to it, doesn't it.

Modifié par Faz432, 26 septembre 2010 - 05:32 .

[Mad Method]

Onyx Jaguar, you're missing out. I like Nox more than I liked either of the Diablo games. The Nox multiplayer especially is a lot of fun.

Krytheos, I have to point out: "Almost" means it's not there. It's a way of expressing an undercurrent of feelings without endorsing the relevant stupidities. You just latched on to the word and disregarded its meaning to put yourself on a pedestal from which you could persecute CoS Sarah Jinstar. And in doing so, you ignored her feelings. Let go of the language and focus on the meanings.

Modifié par Mad Method, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:58 .

[LaztRezort]

Faz432 wrote...

At the end of the day people can only form opinions on the information they receive, if people are forming negative opinions it's only because the info they've received has been negative.

The problem is that there is a large portion of "information" here (on the forums) that is taken out of context, exaggerated, heresay, or just plain wrong.  This is not directed personally at you:  perhaps you are more informed.  But I have to say, in the first 20 minutes of visiting the DA2 forums for the first time, I thought DA2 was going to be an FPS, ME2 with swords, and with all RPG elements stripped out.  Add this OP, and now I think DA3 will be console-only, DA2 on the PC will be largely ignored, and Bioware will be a defunct company in 2 years after ripping us all off.

Some exaggeration on my part, sure, but some of the extrapolations from Dev posts have certainly gone a little, er, far.

This is shown by the amount of negative threads Vs positive ones, we're not all just imagining it.

See above.  Also, is this different from any other popular game pre-release forum atmosphere since the beginning of time (or, at least, the internet forum)?

I think everyone on here has a "right" to be as aprehensive or positive as they like.

So which "side" to take is the more logically sound?  Neither, but that's OK, because at the end of the day it's just a friggin' game, and some of us come here just for entertainment. 

[Monica83]

Some people likes to call doomsayer or Troll the ones that express their point of wiew.. If you say something negative or if you are worried for the way of DA2 its going to take you are a troll or a doomsayer..

Kids act like that... nothing to do..

For statisfate them you can do like the double rainbow guy did in the video:

OMG OMG ITS SO BEATYFULL look the blood awesome.. oooh look the the mage how destroy evrything wow wonderful!!!!!

If you did not you are a doomsayer...

I prefear titles like Bg saga and Icewind dale saga.. also nwn.. or DAO..

I know how EA works they already ruined different game with the choices of make them more easy for casual gamer....

For example look mass effect and mass effect 2 they are much different.. The 2 is ridicolus the inventory system is..omg.. i can't find the right word to descrive how horrible is... Yes but have a shiny graphic..a lot of explosions..cinematic cutscene.. and a great lack of contents

I really hope that dragon age don't follow this way..

[ErichHartmann]

I seriously doubt EA has any real influence on Mass Effect. The inventory system in ME 1 was cluttered and full of junk. It needed a makeover. Whether not you like it is another issue.

[YuniSticksitDeep]

Faz432 wrote...



At the end of the day people can only form
opinions on the information they receive, if people are forming
negative opinions it's only because the info they've received has been
negative. This is shown by the amount of negative threads Vs positive
ones, we're not all just imagining it.



I do find it funny the usual cheerleaders show up against those sharing their opinion, because the game is 'still in development and they should wait and see',
they have no right to be apprehensive based on the information they've
received so far? what right do the cheerleaders have to be so positive?



I
hope DA2 is a success and Bioware doesn't go the way of Westwood, but if
it did then I'd hope the good people at Bioware currently who love
making great games, would leave, build their own company and call it
Shimmy Studios....has a ring to it, doesn't it.

See above highly articulate post ^



Although it is nice to be right, it even better to not think you are totally alone in one's certainty, and I like the "Shimmy Studios" Idea,  I hope (More than you all think/know) that this series is NOT going the way of MADDEN Football
....IE ultimately totally abandoning the platform on which it was
developed for the more profitable and less problematic console market.



PS if you really end up making a Masseffect DA game could you PLEASE at least make it so other people can more readily make modules and add-ons (GOOD DLC) I will and have paid for (DA and ME2 ...LOVED the Shadowbroker one!!!).  I like the Orginal DA and both ME's so much I purchased additional ones for my Family I am so hungry for another Dragons Age (Original) type of game....



I WILL be buying the ME3 but I  DONT want
MasseffectDragons game....Please don't do this....we will all happily
(well that is a lie   wait for you to change direction back to the 
original vision.



I Pre-ordered and Collector "Editioned" every game of yours I can.



I will and would have already if it did NOT seem as if the good people at ea have "Westwood-ified" you, I cannot tell my boss what to do and I want no one fired.    BUT do you Really think I am alone in my concerns??



Why not do a poll as to what People (not ea) really want?   Is there any real harm in knowing your target audience?



I
eagerly await ME3....but NOT DA2 in its current foreshadowing
state.....being cruel, cavalier, dismissive is certainly fun but I would expect more from my gaming "peers" and forum professionals.



I have been at my current employ for in excess of 25 Years, I am a loyal employee and I have been a Loyal supporter of all things Bioware.



Please at least do a Poll and see if perhaps I am not the only person unhappy with the apparent direction this game is taking.



I thank the above poster Faz432, for their reasoned response.



I so wanted to play C&C 4,  I so wanted to play "Awakenings"  but I dodged those two pointy bullets, and will do so for any game which (the word defecate is TOO strong but I can't think of a slightly less strong one) on my hope for a Dragon Age Sequel.



If "AlphaProtocol" had done its homework it could have been great.   I am all for saving/making money, BY ALL MEANS allow for LOTS of WORTHWHILE  DLC....I will buy it and so will OTHERS...but PLEASE PLEASE don't destroy my Dragon Age game by making me think I am playing as Shepard in Chain Mail.

[Bryy_Miller]

Faz432 wrote...

At the end of the day people can only form opinions on the information they receive, if people are forming negative opinions it's only because the info they've received has been negative. 

It's negative to them. Please don't try to be all "guys, come on, we're only saying it is negative because it is". It's subjective.

With that, have fun with your Flame Thread, boys and girls. 

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 26 septembre 2010 - 08:30 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Faz432 wrote...

At the end of the day people can only form opinions on the information they receive, if people are forming negative opinions it's only because the info they've received has been negative. 

It's negative to them. Please don't try to be all "guys, come on, we're only saying it is negative because it is". It's subjective.

With that, have fun with your Flame Thread, boys and girls. 

Yes some of it is negative, keep in mind people have different likes and dislikes and expectations. Whats the point of having discussion forums if anyone who has any criticism is jumped all over by the fan briggade? Seriously Bryy you wonder why people call you a fanboy.

[Bobad]

Quite frankly I'm very disappointed by what I have seen so far, fanboy & fanbois, but never any fan buoys

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Bobad wrote...

Quite frankly I'm very disappointed by what I have seen so far, fanboy & fanbois, but never any fan buoys

They all float down here!

[Bobad]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Bobad wrote...

Quite frankly I'm very disappointed by what I have seen so far, fanboy & fanbois, but never any fan buoys

They all float down here!

Gaaww!, then the scary clown turned into a less than special effect

[SnakeStrike8]

Hey hey hey, OP! I enjoyed C&C 3!

I mean, sure, Generals felt like crap (I think that was the first EA game for the franchise), but every C&C game after that was absolutely great. Wonderful and worthy of anything Westwood had made.

Besides, look on the bright side: If EA hadn't bought the franchise, C&C would have died a sudden death years ago, and we'd never have known how Kane's story plays out. This way we get an ending: whether or not everyone likes it is a different issue. I'd rather have some sort of closure instead of none at all, and I think most people here would agree.

If you don't, and you'd prefer to have a conclusion-less series just because you dislike how the thing actually ends, then you're just a sod. No better way for me to explain it, champs.

[VanDraegon]

David Gaider wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...
With my Hawke will survive tune? 

Oh, he'll survive, don't you worry. As long as he knows how to love, you know he'll be alive.

rofl

[AtreiyaN7]

Why, why, WHY do people feel compelled to keep starting conspiracy-theory threads about EA and BioWare and DA2 based on OTHER studios?! I remember C&C - played quite a few of the games, including C&C4. What happened to that series has little to do with EA I suspect. Westwood just made a poor design decision in C&C4 (for example) that led to an unbalanced single-player game (never mind the storyline, such as it was).

I recall just picking the offensive command center and winning by just pumping out units. They yanked a vital component: resource management. I doubt EA forced them to make that bone-headed decision. Stop dragging EA into the discussion about BioWare and DA2, etc. Maybe it would be best to put on a tin-foil hat and start shouting about the evil empire that is EA bringing about the end of the world on a street corner or something for those so inclined.

*** edited for typos, etc.!

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 26 septembre 2010 - 10:37 .

[LokiHades]

Note: before you bash, remember, opinions are opinions! (inb4 argument ensues)

FieryDove wrote...
Going by EA's past history and seeing recent releases from Bio does make me a bit uneasy.
I still miss Bullfrog though...sniff.

Agreed with both points.

EA's past has been troubling.
After Nox (which remains my favorite Diablo-esque game, even more so than Diablo, so kudos to Mad Method for being there with me. Nox MP is masterful. And Warriors are actually balanced despite magic being so awesome in the game), I felt that Renegade would've been a nice hit (multilayer was fantastic).
Shame that things didn't quite pan out so well... And there are a lot of others, Bullfrog included that fell to a similar fate.

I only played DK 2 somewhat recently (around 4 years ago, still play it from time to time), but
it's one of those games that you know if it had a sequel in this generation of gaming, would be awesome beyond praise (I loved controlling my critters like my Dark Angels in first person view, while having some devious and beautifully laid out traps).


As for ME2 vs ME1, I though I did love some quirks of the ME1 system (weapon modding, large variety of equipment), the inventory was definitely a mess. There were too many guns/etc and none of them really felt distinct from within their own classes (while ME2's weapons all have characteristics that make them different).

The role-playing aspect seen in ME2 made your Shepard feel a lot more personal.

He does what he does because he is commander Shepard, and because you choose him to let him do those things.

The improved action really helped keep the pace as well. No ME2 isn't perfect, it does lack a lot of exploration (arguably boring and clunky exploration, but still it was nice to have), but it's far from being a bad game (with some great DLC too, I enjoyed Kasumi [Felt like I was in a Sci-Fi Bond movie], Overlord, and most of all Shadow Broker, very, very, much).


Also from what I see, I wouldn't say Bioware is simplifying the choice you make. Instead they're just making them happen in a much more dynamic way.

Think about it for a second. The most atmospheric and immersive feature in ME and ME2 was how Shepard was part of the dialogue.

He wasn't a silent toadstool who talked about ladders when you issued him orders (God I hate that voice set!), but he issued the orders according to what you felt was the right thing to do/say.

He also had a lot more personality than your DAO character, yet unlike most voiced PCs, he always felt like he was your Shepard. I have a feeling that Hawke will be similar, but less military gruffness (probably dependent on how you choose to role-play him that is).

The paraphrase system while not spectacular, is now accompanied with icons so you get the feel and idea of what your character's saying, thus you know every decision you make is your own (much as it was in DAO, without needing words like [ATTACK HIM]). The fact that you can issue some commands during dialogue (hurling fireballs, etc) to your party members is a nice addition too.

And I think it's interesting. Whether or not it turns out to be as good as I hope it'll be, is something else though.

Modifié par LokiHades, 26 septembre 2010 - 10:38 .

[Morroian]

LokiHades wrote...

Also from what I see, I wouldn't say Bioware is simplifying the choice you make. Instead they're just making them happen in a much more dynamic way.

Bingo! And it sounds like this is exactly what they're doing with DA2 while still leaving in the rpg elements that were removed from ME2.

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Why, why, WHY do people feel compelled to keep starting conspiracy-theory threads about EA and BioWare and DA2
based on OTHER studios?! I remember C&C - played quite a few of the games, including C&C4. What happened to that series has little to do with EA I suspect. Westwood just made a poor design decision in C&C4 (for example) that led to an unbalanced single-player game (never mind the storyline, such as it was).

RTS design moved past C&C quite quickly and Westwood never moved with the changes.

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Yes some of it is negative, keep in
mind people have different likes and dislikes and expectations. Whats
the point of having discussion forums if anyone who has any criticism is
jumped all over by the fan briggade?

I don't see someone like Sylvius being jumped all over.
He's critical but in a reasoned objective manner and he doesn't spam
the Board with needless repetitive criticisms, unlike others.

Modifié par Morroian, 26 septembre 2010 - 11:09 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Morroian wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Yes some of it is negative, keep in
mind people have different likes and dislikes and expectations. Whats
the point of having discussion forums if anyone who has any criticism is
jumped all over by the fan briggade?

I don't see someone like Sylvius being jumped all over.
He's critical but in a reasoned objective manner and he doesn't spam
the Board with needless repetitive criticisms, unlike others.

Oh I don't know about that, seems at couple went back and forth with Sylvius over a couple topics for a couple pages if my recollection is correct. Luckily Mike was nice enough to field some questions and give actual acurate and reassuring information, most of which set my mind at ease. Unlike some other dev that I won't mention.

Jury is still out on how VO for Hawke are handled but considering at this point its not going to change, thats more a wait and see if it turns out bad or good.