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[CARL_DF90]

PWENER wrote...

5$ to $7 dollars per disc? I don't care, I'd pay up to 150$ for the final game in the saga.

Me too, but for mass market, not really feesable.

[Onyx Jaguar]

The amount of space doesn't amount to quality. What you would be missing out most on would be what takes up the most space. Often than not usually the sound files.

[Valakas]

charmingcharlie wrote...

The problem with making the next Mass Effect 3 - 4 discs long is the royalty fee.  Microsoft charges a fee (the amount is not public knowledge but it is believed to be between $5 - $7) PER DISC.  In layman terms it is not economically viable to produce a game on the xbox 360 that uses more than 2 discs.

If your xbox game uses 1 disc then the royalty fee is between $5 - $7
If your xbox game uses 2 discs then the royalty fee is between $10 - $14
If your xbox game uses 3 discs then the royalty fee is between $15 - $21
If your xbox game uses 4 discs then the royalty fee is between $20 - $28

So if Bioware made a 4 disc version of Mass Effect 3 then nearly half the sale price would go straight to Microsoft unless they jacked up the price of Mass Effect 3 significantly

Here is what John Carmack had to say on multi disc games on the xbox 360 :-

John Carmack wrote...

the royalty fees to include a third disc in the
Xbox 360 version would be so high that it simply isn't a feasible
solution,

http://www.shacknews...article.x/53976

We all want the biggest, bestest finale to Mass Effect we can have but sadly we have to face the fact that ME 3 will HAVE to fit on 2 discs and no more.

Lost Odyssey and Final fantasy XIII it's in four and three disc respectively, i don't see why ME 3 shouldnt.

And even if the game cost 100, i'll still buy it as long as it's way better than the previous two games and it broughts significant changes to the formula.

[CARL_DF90]

Lost Odyssey was published by Microsoft and Final fantasy XIII was a classic case of MS making a deal with SquareEnix to get the title on their system. Anyways, let's stay closer to on topic before this thread gets closed.

Modifié par CARL_DF90, 26 septembre 2010 - 01:51 .

[JamieCOTC]

PWENER wrote...

5$ to $7 dollars per disc? I don't care, I'd pay up to 150$ for the final game in the saga.

+2

Hey, there's an idea for the super duper uber collector's edition

[Alchemist02]

Why dont they simply just release 1 disc for Xbox users and then give Xbox users a code on said disc (Note: I said ON as in burned into a file that you can acess from the main menu) and then have people enter this code and download the 2nd disc (which will then be stored on the harddrive)



The ''lending disc and still playing'' would not be an issue since they still need disc 1.

[Faust1979]

in this day and age there only needs to be 1-2 to discs. The only reasons why those Final Fantasy games had multiple discs is the small size of the discs. They don't have to worry about that anymore

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Faust1979 wrote...

in this day and age there only needs to be 1-2 to discs. The only reasons why those Final Fantasy games had multiple discs is the small size of the discs. They don't have to worry about that anymore

Lost Odyssey was on 4 discs, and I'm pretty sure each disc had the same capacity as any other X360 game disc. For the record, Bioware has hinted that the reason why we can't recruit squadmates at any point in the game is because of the game being stretched over 2 discs, and them wanting to make disc-swapping as infrequent as possible (thus, the beginning and end of the game is stored on Disc1, the rest on Disc2).

I REALLY don't want that to happen with Mass Effect 3. I want to be able to download the entire game onto my harddrive, then play with only 1 disc for the entire experience. Don't care if people with insufficient harddrive space are forced to swap discs every three hours, I really don't. Just as long as the whole fracking game isn't divided because of a stupid hardware limitation that is easily bypassable.

[Fiery Phoenix]

To be honest, ME3 should span no less than 2-3 discs.

[phatpat63]

I'm all for however many disk swaps are necessary for the PC version to not have its design decisions impacted by disk swap considerations on the 360.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...


I REALLY don't want that to happen with Mass Effect 3. I want to be able to download the entire game onto my harddrive, then play with only 1 disc for the entire experience. Don't care if people with insufficient harddrive space are forced to swap discs every three hours, I really don't. Just as long as the whole fracking game isn't divided because of a stupid hardware limitation that is easily bypassable.

I don't think that's possible on 360. I have a lot of games installed on my 120 GB hard drive and I still have to put in the respective disc every time I play. It's a means of preventing piracy or something like that, I think.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I'd pay $70 for 3 disks worth of game.

[FouCapitan]

BioWare should concentrate on what goes into the game with story, action, dialogue and setting first. After that's all said and done, then we'll see how many discs they fill up.



@charmingcharlie

That article is over 2 years old, and from a source I've never heard of, are you 100% certain that's even remotely accurate, because it sounds like BS to me, considering all multiple disc games I've seen have been priced normally.

[Phaedon]

I'd love to see those complaining about switching discs use one of the very early OSs. *is evil*

[FouCapitan]

Phaedon wrote...

I'd love to see those complaining about switching discs use one of the very early OSs. *is evil*

Enjoy a nice FMV game on the PC, with 9 discs switching between each and every scene.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Phaedon wrote...
I'd love to see those complaining about switching discs use one of the very early OSs. *is evil*

Hell, just look at how many disks came with the first Baulder's Gate. 5 was it?

Modifié par ReconTeam, 26 septembre 2010 - 06:52 .

[GreenSoda]

3 discs ? Not gonna happen. Too expensive for BW/EA...but that's not all. The ME series isn't as linear as Lost Odyssey or the Final Fantasy games. You can't simply cut the game up and neatly spread it out over 3 discs.

[Phaedon]

ReconTeam wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
I'd love to see those complaining about switching discs use one of the very early OSs. *is evil*

Hell, just look at how many disks came with the first Baulder's Gate. 5 was it?

Hah, forget video games, I am talking about the early Operating Systems. I believe there were actual injuries from the disk swapping. 

[kalle90]

If they''re not going to use the space for anything useful, I rather not have to change it all the time.



ME2 wasn't longer than ME1 and I guess some reviews knew it was about having uncompressed graphics and audio. Personally I don't want a 3rd disc just to get arbitarily better looks and sounds. But if Bioware could make the actual game longer, deeper and all that I'm all for having 3,4,5 or 6 discs

[charmingcharlie]

FouCapitan wrote...

@charmingcharlie
That article is over 2 years old, and from a source I've never heard of, are you 100% certain that's even remotely accurate, because it sounds like BS to me, considering all multiple disc games I've seen have been priced normally.

You have never heard of John Carmack the co-founder and lead programmer of iD software, the company behind Wolfenstien, Doom and Quake.  The guy is credited with being the father of first person shooters.  This guy is a legend in the software industry so I really don't know how you have never heard of John Carmack.

Now John was talking about the multi disc problem because his next game "RAGE" will be coming out on the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360.  He stated that the xbox version will not look as visually good as the PS3 version because they will have to heavily compress the game to get it to fit on 2 discs.  He would've liked it to have gone on 3 discs but royalty costs would make the game unviable financially.  Now fair enough the quote was 2 years ago, but last time I checked RAGE will still be on 2 discs so obviously nothing has changed. 

This will be the exact same problem with Mass Effect 3, it will come on 2 discs and no more to keep royalty costs down and reduce the amount of disc swapping.

To those saying "well let xbox users download the additional discs then", can you really see Microsoft allowing Bioware to release 12 - 18gbs worth of game for free on their network ?  No one knows how much MS charges per gb for downloads on XBL but I get the impression it isn't cheap.  

I am afraid to say we have to accept that ME 3 will be 2 discs and no more.  It doesn't particular affect me since I am a PC gamer and no longer bother with DVD media anyway.  I wouldn't care if Bioware released a 50gb ME 3 for digital download via steam.  However I appreciate I am in a minority and a 50gb digital download would put a great number of people off buying Mass Effect 3.

FouCapitan wrote...
Enjoy a nice FMV game on the PC, with 9 discs switching between each and every scene.

Not a PC gamer eh ?  I have been gaming on the PC for nigh on 20 years, I remember games coming on floppy disc and not once have I ever had to swap a disc during the game.  When you get a PC game ALL of the game gets installed to the hard disc, so you only ever do one disc swap during installation and that is it..

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 26 septembre 2010 - 11:54 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

how about zip files that you have to extract and install on your xbox 360 HDD? it'd be similar to downloading a xbox live update but it's all on a DVD-Dual Layer Disc.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 26 septembre 2010 - 11:55 .

[GreenSoda]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

how about zip files that you have to extract and install on your xbox 360 HDD? it'd be similar to downloading a xbox live update but it's all on a DVD-Dual Layer Disc.

*All* of todays games are already heavily compressed. Zipping up already compressed files does nothing. There is no gain in available disc space with that method.

[Eradyn]

I support multiple discs-worth of ME3. 3, 4, or more, would be great. But if this royalties thing is true...you have no idea how disappointed that makes me, because it likely means ME3 will be a smaller, less deep game than it could have been. I'm on the PC, btw. I understand disc-swapping can be annoying...heck, I did that for the older games (the FF's, the Suikodens, the Wild Arms, etc.) and so forth. But it's worth it, and a small price to pay, for a more epic game. This is the last game of an epic trilogy...lets make it the crowning game as well.

[Synobal]

Meshakhad2 wrote...

I get it on Steam. I don't care.