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[Captain Iglo]

could be 10 discs for what I care as long as the content is good...gonna watch a movie while it installs then.
But who knows...maybe Blue ray is common on PC's and even on xbox then so we dont need to wory.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:54 .

[DTKT]

Jesus no.



Pretty sure they can fit the game on one disk. »No point in stretching it out.

[mundus66]

More discs doesn't mean better game or story. Final Fantasy XIII has a LOT of pre rendered cut scenes which takes a lot of space since its basically 1080p video (or 540p or w/e in the 360 version). This is what makes the game so huge, ME has every cutscene in game engine and offers a lot of freedom. In FFXIII the whole game is linear until the very end and even then its linear except you can choose to do some optional missions or not. So multiple discs for that game doesn't excatly make it worse, but a game like ME is complicated with more discs.

ME2 made sense with 2 discs the way the game was made, ME1 for example wouldn't make sense with 2 discs except if the 2nd disc was only for the last mission. Since you could go to the 4 main missions in any order you wanted (except you had to do 2 before Virmire).

Hopefully ME3 will either be structured like ME2 or just have 1 disc, since i do not like switching discs when i go back and forth between missions, that said mandatory installs wouldn't be to bad except M$ would probably never allow it.

Modifié par mundus66, 28 septembre 2010 - 01:47 .

[Leoism]

All i want is to have an epic final chapter to what has been my all time favourite game without exaggeration i really have enjoyed and still enjoy continuous run through's on both games and i can only thank bioware for bringing this fantastic game to us. If they make the final game a real experience to remember then no-one can really complain, and im sure as they love the game as much as us, they will not fail, they cant! peace.

[cerberus1701]

DTKT wrote...

Jesus no.

Pretty sure they can fit the game on one disk. »No point in stretching it out.

They couldn't on ME2

And I'd actually LIKE at least two discs. I don't want them to rush the story closed. I want a suitaibly epic end.

[marshalleck]

mundus66 wrote...

 ME has every cutscene in game engine

No.

Well, depending on how you define "cutscene."

Many are pre-rendered and encoded in bink format video files, at least on PC.

Modifié par marshalleck, 28 septembre 2010 - 01:57 .

[Tempist fox3]

don't give a damn how many discs it has as long as the content is of the same standard as ME2

[Loerwyn]

It shouldn't need to take up more than 2DVDs. The PC version, when installed, comes in at around 13GB, whereas some 2DVD games can take up 24GB+ (Age of Conan, for example, has a HDD space requirement of 24GB). They could easily fit more content onto that second DVD without having to get near a 3DVD game.
Using older games like Baldur's Gate isn't relevant as we're talking different types of disc. A CD can hold around 700MB, I believe, whereas a dual layer DVD holds upto about 9GB, which is about 13 times that of a CD.

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:43 .

[mundus66]

marshalleck wrote...

mundus66 wrote...

 ME has every cutscene in game engine

No.

Well, depending on how you define "cutscene."

Many are pre-rendered and encoded in bink format video files, at least on PC.

Sorry, what i mean was every cutscene where you know actually see your squad and Shepard. As they have the weapons and armor you use atm. Plus it still uses the in game engine afaik. Not like making a cutscene from ground up on a super computer and then just put it on the disc a la Final Fantasy, it was cool in the 90s, but not today.

[brfritos]

charmingcharlie wrote...

I am afraid to say we have to accept that ME 3 will be 2 discs and no more.  It doesn't particular affect me since I am a PC gamer and no longer bother with DVD media anyway.  I wouldn't care if Bioware released a 50gb ME 3 for digital download via steam.  However I appreciate I am in a minority and a 50gb digital download would put a great number of people off buying Mass Effect 3.

I'm a PC gamer too, so I don't have the disc swapping syndrome when playing, but this is short sighted.
Off course it will affect PC.

In the early days of ME2 development it appears that the game would be more open world, with Illium and other systems available since the start.
But because this generated a lot of disc swap Bioware changed this, wich turned the progression more linear in my opinion.

In ME1 the interface was entirelly remodeled to the point that ME1 for PC and XBox are much different in the way you play.
Look the difference between:

XBox Inventory



PC Inventory



You can find better resolution in youtube if you want.
No wonder everyone hated the thing, specially XBox owners
In the older forums there's even a request to patch XBox. LOL

Well, you can't even give individual assigments to your squad.

Since ME2 XBox and PC were entirelly the same game, if they need to lower the textures for ME3, PC owners will pay the price too.
I'm very curious to see the PS3 release of ME2, since they don't have space restrictions on the disc an Bioware can change the game entirelly if wish.

[nikki191]

Meshakhad2 wrote...

I get it on Steam. I don't care.

high 5 digital download all the way

as long as they gave the option to install it all rather than have to bother with diskswapping it should be ok

Modifié par nikki191, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[Loerwyn]

brfritos wrote...
*snip*

You were comparing the store (Specifically the sale function) interface with the inventory. Two different menu screens

[Flamewielder]

brfritos wrote...
In ME1 the interface was entirelly remodeled to the point that ME1 for PC and XBox are much different in the way you play.
Look the difference between:

XBox Inventory



PC Inventory



You can find better resolution in youtube if you want.
No wonder everyone hated the thing, specially XBox owners
In the older forums there's even a request to patch XBox. LOL

Well, you can't even give individual assigments to your squad.

Since ME2 XBox and PC were entirelly the same game, if they need to lower the textures for ME3, PC owners will pay the price too.
I'm very curious to see the PS3 release of ME2, since they don't have space restrictions on the disc an Bioware can change the game entirelly if wish.

Actually, those screen captures are incorrect: the first one is XBox inventory, while the second one is actually PC store interface, NOT inventory... but your point is still valid.

Could the 2-disk XBox limitation be bypassed by installing part of the game on the console HDrive?

[GreenSoda]

Flamewielder wrote...



Actually, those screen captures are incorrect: the first one is XBox inventory, while the second one is actually PC store interface, NOT inventory... but your point is still valid.



Could the 2-disk XBox limitation be bypassed by installing part of the game on the console HDrive?

Nope. MS doesn't allow devs to publish games on the 360 that *require* the HDD, because there are some models without one.



2 disc max for ME3...and since 360 DVD-9s only can carry around ~7GB of content (the rest is reserved for special MS file structure stuff) the max packed size for ME3 is ~14 GB.

[cerberus1701]

GreenSoda wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Actually, those screen captures are incorrect: the first one is XBox inventory, while the second one is actually PC store interface, NOT inventory... but your point is still valid.

Could the 2-disk XBox limitation be bypassed by installing part of the game on the console HDrive?

Nope. MS doesn't allow devs to publish games on the 360 that *require* the HDD, because there are some models without one.

2 disc max for ME3...and since 360 DVD-9s only can carry around ~7GB of content (the rest is reserved for special MS file structure stuff) the max packed size for ME3 is ~14 GB.

2 Disks max?

Limitation?

***

Final Fantasy 13 and Star Ocean: The Last Hope have dismissed that claim.

[GreenSoda]

cerberus1701 wrote...

2 Disks max?



Limitation?



***



Final Fantasy 13 and Star Ocean: The Last Hope have dismissed that claim.

Both heavily sponsored by MS. I doubt MS will be willing to wave through the licensing costs for BW...especially since ME isn't console exclusive to 360 anymore.



ME3 will come on 2 discs max.

[brfritos]

Yeah, my bad... 

The PC inventory is this screen

[Loerwyn]

That pose is proof that BioWare need better animators.

[cerberus1701]

GreenSoda wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...
2 Disks max?

Limitation?

***

Final Fantasy 13 and Star Ocean: The Last Hope have dismissed that claim.

Both heavily sponsored by MS. I doubt MS will be willing to wave through the licensing costs for BW...especially since ME isn't console exclusive to 360 anymore.

ME3 will come on 2 discs max.

Nonsense: It may actually only BE on two disks, but IF there were 3 discs worth of content that BW wanted to put out in the finished game M$ would let it slide and let it publish anyway because if they didn't they would effectively make ME3 a PS3 exclusive.

Never happen.

Now, Bioware may well have M$'s general space limitations in mind when they design the game so that it isn't even an issue, but to suggest that Microsoft would sacrifice the game on its format rather than break their guideline of a two disk maximum (When they are perfectly willing to do so just because they choose to) is, again, nonsense.

Bollocks, I say.

[Valakas]

cerberus1701 wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

Actually,
those screen captures are incorrect: the first one is XBox inventory,
while the second one is actually PC store interface, NOT inventory...
but your point is still valid.

Could the 2-disk XBox limitation be bypassed by installing part of the game on the console HDrive?

Nope. MS doesn't allow devs to publish games on the 360 that *require* the HDD, because there are some models without one.

2
disc max for ME3...and since 360 DVD-9s only can carry around ~7GB of
content (the rest is reserved for special MS file structure stuff) the
max packed size for ME3 is ~14 GB.

2 Disks max?

Limitation?

***

Final Fantasy 13 and Star Ocean: The Last Hope have dismissed that claim.

And Lost Odyssey.

FF XIII heavy sponsored by MS? BS, That was originally a PS3 game, on 360 it's just a crappy port.

ME 3 needs AT LEAST 3 disc, 4 would be ideal in PC this is not a problem.

And i don't why should swap disc on the 360 version:

hxx7y wrote...

if it requres multiple discs what would be so wrong with an install disk on consoles disc swapping is redundant in a world where all consoles have harddrives

Exactly.

But even then, swaping disc every 20 hours? does anyone find that actually BAD? the PS1 era had a LOT of disc swaping and nobody died.



Also i don't think PS3 version will let you recruit whichever character you want from the begining, the Horizon mission activates when you have recruited four members on your squad, and for you to survive it the you NEED Mordin.

So either the whole recruitment in ME 2 will be the exact same, or they will force you to recruit Mordin first.

[FluxDeluxe]

disc swapping is fine as long as the content on them is good. One of the main criticisms i have of the second game is it's too railroaded, deeper content please !

[charmingcharlie]

cerberus1701 wrote...
Nonsense: It may actually only BE on two disks, but IF there were 3 discs worth of content that BW wanted to put out in the finished game M$ would let it slide and let it publish anyway because if they didn't they would effectively make ME3 a PS3 exclusive.

Never happen.

Now, Bioware may well have M$'s general space limitations in mind when they design the game so that it isn't even an issue, but to suggest that Microsoft would sacrifice the game on its format rather than break their guideline of a two disk maximum (When they are perfectly willing to do so just because they choose to) is, again, nonsense.

Bollocks, I say.

I have already posted proof that MS DOES NOT let it "slide".  You just need to read what John Carmack from iD has to say about the multi disc issue.  He is on record as saying they would have liked to have made Rage a 3 disc game, but they can't make it a three disc game because of the extra royalty costs per disc.  So they are cramming Rage onto 2 discs and using extreme compression which will make the 360 version of Rage look  worse than the PS3 or PC version.

If Microsoft are not going to let it "slide" for iD then they sure as hell won't let it "slide" for Bioware either.  Now for those going "oh what about FF XIII" that was originally going to be a PS3 exclusive I believe and MS obviously gave Square Enix a deal to encourage them to bring it to the 360.  I also see people using "Lost Odyssey" which was published by Microsoft so the extra royalty fees for 3 discs is irrelevant.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 28 septembre 2010 - 05:30 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

And why wouldn't Microsoft let it "slide" providing some deals are made?

[stonbw1]

Here's a odd question: I bought Red Dead Redemption for Xbox and shortly thereafter my Xbox started acting up and eventually died (RROD). After MS fixed it, I downloaded the game to HD and never had another problem. My (rookie) guess is that the RDR was so expansive it simply overpowered my Xbox.



If everyone is suggesting an even larger ME3, wouldn't that open up the same problem I had with RDR; clearly the XBOX has its limitations. Accordingly, it would force installation, which would in turn require the entire game to be able to fit on the standard Xbox hard drive (is it 12 GB, I think), right? BW couldn't possibly put out a game that eclipsed the hard drive capacity of the Xbox, could they?