Good stuff, Oni. I enjoy the shotguns. I just don't find myself doing it a lot on Insanity. So satisfying to pick off enemies with the Widow. But it's totally on with the GPS or Claymore in more confined areas, where sniping is no longer advantageous.
Invasive Maneuvers - A Guide to an Aggressive Infiltrator on Insanity (new vids: Neural Shockwave, Assuming the Position)
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 04:04
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Nice vids OniGanon. I'll probably do something like this with my new Infiltrator except without relying on the shotgun so much. I see why you would use it, but I just got done with a Heavy Charge Vanguard and am looking for a different flavor weapon for a bit.
I'd like to see a vid of Zaeed's Loyalty mission, specifically the room with the two exploding tanks.
I'd like to see a vid of Zaeed's Loyalty mission, specifically the room with the two exploding tanks.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 04:16
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I only have the one Infiltrator. She's built with what I believe to be the best weapons and best build to match the playstyle and my own preferences, and you're seeing the 'complete' form as it's a NG+. These videos don't come from a playthrough I'm currently doing. They are from separate saves I made on a completed playthrough, which means my abilities, squadmates and loadout are pretty much set. I can post vids with a different loadout if I
happen to have a save near a weapons locker, but otherwise any other variations will have to wait until I start a fresh Infiltrator run.
Which I do intend on doing, as I stated in the guide. This guide isn't complete. It's barely begun. That the third post is nothing but a placeholder ought to tell you that. I fully intend to show how to assault a position with an SMG or Pistol. If you guys want to see it done without DLC weapons or Neural Shock or less than lv30, then fine that's what I'll do (all three simultaneously, even). But it'll take time because I don't have such an Infiltrator handy.
Do it.
I want people to post videos. Please.
Every video I post is going to be thoroughly baised with my own preferences. The only way to get more points of view is to have other people's videos.
In other news, Collector Ship vid is up, and that concludes the NG+ shotgun/Neural Shockwave vids.
happen to have a save near a weapons locker, but otherwise any other variations will have to wait until I start a fresh Infiltrator run.
Which I do intend on doing, as I stated in the guide. This guide isn't complete. It's barely begun. That the third post is nothing but a placeholder ought to tell you that. I fully intend to show how to assault a position with an SMG or Pistol. If you guys want to see it done without DLC weapons or Neural Shock or less than lv30, then fine that's what I'll do (all three simultaneously, even). But it'll take time because I don't have such an Infiltrator handy.
demersel wrote...
I actually started to think about making my own videos. Just to prove the point.
Do it.
I want people to post videos. Please.
Every video I post is going to be thoroughly baised with my own preferences. The only way to get more points of view is to have other people's videos.
In other news, Collector Ship vid is up, and that concludes the NG+ shotgun/Neural Shockwave vids.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 04:20
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demersel wrote...
As for the gameplay videos posted here in this guide - You don't really play that agressive... All you do is charge GPS cloak, flank once, and then just sit behind that cover.
That's pretty aggressive for an Infiltrator. I, for one, have not been using Cloak to its fullest potential. The way I played my first Infiltrators I should have been a Widow Soldier.
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I want people to post videos. Please.
Every video I post is going to be thoroughly baised with my own preferences. The only way to get more points of view is to have other people's videos.
In other news, Collector Ship vid is up, and that concludes the NG+ shotgun/Neural Shockwave vids.
I do have a few short vids of my character.
I'll have more up soon.
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lazuli wrote...
demersel wrote...
As for the gameplay videos posted here in this guide - You don't really play that agressive... All you do is charge GPS cloak, flank once, and then just sit behind that cover.
That's pretty aggressive for an Infiltrator. I, for one, have not been using Cloak to its fullest potential. The way I played my first Infiltrators I should have been a Widow Soldier.
Me too. I was only using cloak at first to get better damage and occasionally avoid it. However after watching how some people played I quickly viewed it in a totally different light.
Cloak not only allows for CQC, flanking, and ambushing, but also REALLY helps create better line-of-sight angles for power targeting. Too often I'd be using a characters powers (and maybe this is only an issue with the xbox 360), and because the enemy would either quickly duck into cover, or was primarily behind it I couldnt get powers to actually hit them (squad and me), and seeing that cloak could allow me to get to better areas without being blasted down in a blaze of glory trying to get to those positions, it quickly got me better power effectiveness.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 05:45
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A lot of these questions could probably be answered by showing what happens if you don't play aggressively at all. Guess I can do a vid or two on that...
You don't really
play that agressive... All you do is charge GPS cloak, flank once, and
then just sit behind that cover.
That's... kinda the whole point behind the 'Nameless Shadow' section. I've seen too many Infiltrators just sitting in the first bit of cover available to them cloaksniping all day. The whole point here is to take a better position such that enemies have zero cover, then do your cloaksniping. Or run out and shotgun them to death. Whichever you prefer. The 'taking a better position' part is where the CQC comes in, because you usually have to pry it from the cold (frozen, actually) dead fingers of an enemy.
Why do use locust if
you don't even go for headshots?
I normally do. But under FRAPS I'm happy if I'm hitting the damn target, let alone its head.
Why don't you use your pistol more?
The Pistol is for armoured targets. Also I was trying out the Phalanx on this playthrough, and found it not really to my liking on this class. Back to Predator for me.
Why don't you switch weapons more often to adjust to defence and
distance?
The GPS is the best anti-shield/barrier weapon up to about 15-20m. The Pistol is the same for armoured targets. The Locust is for shielded targets further than that, and the Viper for armoured. Most enemies shown in these vids are shield/barrier within 20m, so...
Why don't you use your sniper rifle like at all? is it taboo
all of a sudden? Surely you can still be agressive and snipe out the few
key enemies, like rocket troop?
Aside from sniping with a Viper being icky under FRAPS? I snipe against armoured targets (because that's what SRs are good at), targets I'd have trouble hitting with a Locust, and against key enemies like Heavies.
The only time I don't snipe a Heavy is when I want their position for myself. If you want a position, you have to take it from up close. Killing the occupants from afar just results in other enemies filling the position- enemies that may be harder to dislodge than the fragile Heavies.
I would snipe a lot more if I didn't have the Locust and the GPS to take care of shield/barrier enemies. So I guess there'll be more sniping in the No DLC run.
Why don't you give a an advice on what
to do if you run out of ammo and cloak time in the midst of enemies?
(the way you do it in your videos it is a very likely situation).
Not quite sure what you mean, here.
Why do
yo flank for the sake of flanking, when there isn't much point to it,
like in the begining of the horizon video?
The point of flanking is to deny the enemy their cover. Flanking is only ever pointless if the enemies don't use cover. The beginning of the Horizon video has a Guardian with high damage, great cover and those annoying shield things. So it gets shotgunned in the face. The second truck usually has a pair of Assassins. They moved when I cloaked which isn't quite what I wanted, but it still got them out of the truck and into crappier cover, so objective sort-of-completed.
Why so obsessed with hitting a
spawn point line? Is it a new game goal of a sudden?
Out of all 5 videos I think I only hit like 3 spawns and 2 of them were on Korlus, but... Because it's the fastest way to ensure your victory, short of bypassing the fight altogether.
You don't really
play that agressive... All you do is charge GPS cloak, flank once, and
then just sit behind that cover.
That's... kinda the whole point behind the 'Nameless Shadow' section. I've seen too many Infiltrators just sitting in the first bit of cover available to them cloaksniping all day. The whole point here is to take a better position such that enemies have zero cover, then do your cloaksniping. Or run out and shotgun them to death. Whichever you prefer. The 'taking a better position' part is where the CQC comes in, because you usually have to pry it from the cold (frozen, actually) dead fingers of an enemy.
Why do use locust if
you don't even go for headshots?
I normally do. But under FRAPS I'm happy if I'm hitting the damn target, let alone its head.
Why don't you use your pistol more?
The Pistol is for armoured targets. Also I was trying out the Phalanx on this playthrough, and found it not really to my liking on this class. Back to Predator for me.
Why don't you switch weapons more often to adjust to defence and
distance?
The GPS is the best anti-shield/barrier weapon up to about 15-20m. The Pistol is the same for armoured targets. The Locust is for shielded targets further than that, and the Viper for armoured. Most enemies shown in these vids are shield/barrier within 20m, so...
Why don't you use your sniper rifle like at all? is it taboo
all of a sudden? Surely you can still be agressive and snipe out the few
key enemies, like rocket troop?
Aside from sniping with a Viper being icky under FRAPS? I snipe against armoured targets (because that's what SRs are good at), targets I'd have trouble hitting with a Locust, and against key enemies like Heavies.
The only time I don't snipe a Heavy is when I want their position for myself. If you want a position, you have to take it from up close. Killing the occupants from afar just results in other enemies filling the position- enemies that may be harder to dislodge than the fragile Heavies.
I would snipe a lot more if I didn't have the Locust and the GPS to take care of shield/barrier enemies. So I guess there'll be more sniping in the No DLC run.
Why don't you give a an advice on what
to do if you run out of ammo and cloak time in the midst of enemies?
(the way you do it in your videos it is a very likely situation).
Not quite sure what you mean, here.
Why do
yo flank for the sake of flanking, when there isn't much point to it,
like in the begining of the horizon video?
The point of flanking is to deny the enemy their cover. Flanking is only ever pointless if the enemies don't use cover. The beginning of the Horizon video has a Guardian with high damage, great cover and those annoying shield things. So it gets shotgunned in the face. The second truck usually has a pair of Assassins. They moved when I cloaked which isn't quite what I wanted, but it still got them out of the truck and into crappier cover, so objective sort-of-completed.
Why so obsessed with hitting a
spawn point line? Is it a new game goal of a sudden?
Out of all 5 videos I think I only hit like 3 spawns and 2 of them were on Korlus, but... Because it's the fastest way to ensure your victory, short of bypassing the fight altogether.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 08:50
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I think this is a great guide OniGanon, only reading it inspired me to get back into this Cloak business.
I don't understand the folks out here criticizing the guide. It's guide, it's supposed to be instructive and to show different tactics and gameplay. Can't remember this was the case in the other guides, Gatsby's Adept guide is build around his vids, not the most entertaining Adept vids around, but that wasn't the point. Those vids are highly instructive and with Gatsby's commentary they explain how to use biotics effectively. Your vids are the same; both entertaining and informative - well done.
I'm more a biotic lunatic, but if I got time I'll try recording an Infiltrator vid myself, using the tactics put forth in your guide.
I don't understand the folks out here criticizing the guide. It's guide, it's supposed to be instructive and to show different tactics and gameplay. Can't remember this was the case in the other guides, Gatsby's Adept guide is build around his vids, not the most entertaining Adept vids around, but that wasn't the point. Those vids are highly instructive and with Gatsby's commentary they explain how to use biotics effectively. Your vids are the same; both entertaining and informative - well done.
I'm more a biotic lunatic, but if I got time I'll try recording an Infiltrator vid myself, using the tactics put forth in your guide.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 09:15
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Damn, reading this, I am gonna try the backstabber Infiltrator too. So far it has been my least favourite class (though I always took Widow). Thank you 
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 12:42
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So ok, while we're on topic, is there a way to record videos, that does not require buying a license for fraps? I really don't feel like spending 40$ usd just to prove a point on an internet forum.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 12:57
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Try PlayClaw, free version is available, the only downside is that there will be a small text saying it is a free version in the recorded video.
http://www.playclaw.com
http://www.playclaw.com
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Kronner wrote...
Try PlayClaw, free version is available, the only downside is that there will be a small text saying it is a free version in the recorded video.
http://www.playclaw.com
I'm going to have to try that out, I've been reading some reviews and it seems to record while leaving a much smaller footprint on your cpu due to multi-threading.
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Thank you, Kronner. I'll try it out.
oh! does it work for 32-bit systems?
oh! does it work for 32-bit systems?
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sinosleep wrote...
Kronner wrote...
Try PlayClaw, free version is available, the only downside is that there will be a small text saying it is a free version in the recorded video.
http://www.playclaw.com
I'm going to have to try that out, I've been reading some reviews and it seems to record while leaving a much smaller footprint on your cpu due to multi-threading.
I never tried PlayClaw, but the free version seems to be ok. I know M14567 recorded his high quality vids using it:
LotSB www.youtube.com/watch [part 1] & www.youtube.com/watch [part 2]
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I just tried several different setting combinations in playclaw and none of them are netting me better FPS times. I recorded the same section of Jack's recruitment and not only is fraps producing smaller files, it's maintaining a higher frame rate as well. The frame rate keeps dropping to around 30 fps with playclaw, it's hovered at 40 and up on fraps.
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 02:00
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Ok, another stupid question - do you recode the videos in some other program, like sony vegas, adobe media encoder, or any other so the size is more acceptable? couse really, 950 mb for 2.30 vid is just plain rude to other people...
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Posté 27 septembre 2010 - 02:08
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If PlayClaw records using AVI files you might wanna give VirtualDub a try. It's easy to use, fast and you can use many different codecs (xVid or H.264 is what you want) and its freeware.
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I remember seeing this thread and videos requested of you in other threads after talking about your ways with NSw on your Infiltrator. Way to step up and fulfill that request of those members with a detailed and informative written and video guideline Oni. Not only have you taken the time to detail all this out, but also to have to play the game you love in a way that you wouldn't normally want to (as in the FPS issues caused by recording) just for the sake of fulfilling that request.
Despite all the other threads and videos shown on these forums yours teaches something hasn't really been focused on before, the power of staggers. Very useful; because of this I've gone back and used NSw even more effectively on my Engineer and Soldier than before (same with my use of Slam on my Vanguard and Soldier).
I don't understand the haters; if this doesn't fit their playstyle I don't see why they don't just go to a thread that has builds they like. All the guides posted on these forums, some of which are truly redundant and/or even contain provably bad advice, and yet none of them have had the critics come out like they have for this truly unique yet still effective take on a class and playstyle.
Despite all the other threads and videos shown on these forums yours teaches something hasn't really been focused on before, the power of staggers. Very useful; because of this I've gone back and used NSw even more effectively on my Engineer and Soldier than before (same with my use of Slam on my Vanguard and Soldier).
I don't understand the haters; if this doesn't fit their playstyle I don't see why they don't just go to a thread that has builds they like. All the guides posted on these forums, some of which are truly redundant and/or even contain provably bad advice, and yet none of them have had the critics come out like they have for this truly unique yet still effective take on a class and playstyle.
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This is a great guide. CQC is really a fun way to play the infiltrator, no matter the weapon loadout. It also goes really well for xbox players who can only map limited powers and have the auto-targeting sniper to deal with. Honestly, I didn't like infiltrator before making a CQC one. Cloak is so much more fun to use to move up close with a cryo loaded SMG\\shotgun than to cloaksnipespam.
You are making a great use of neural shock, i never used it at all.... but my infiltrator is not lvl30 yet so 1pt slam or energy drain was more useful to me in the beginning missions. Early game is fun with cryo+locust on low leveled enemies. Eh even mantis is fun on low leveled enemies. I'd really like to help you with vids but I don't feel like buying cables and spending energy to be able to record on my xbox yet... One thing I like to do is use the fact that RELEASING a charged chot while you're cloaked doesn't uncloak you, so if enemy is near, you can charge, cloak, shoot and run for a LONG while after and get better cover\\another shot off and really confuse the poor enemies.
Always nice to see new builds. Keep up the good work !
You are making a great use of neural shock, i never used it at all.... but my infiltrator is not lvl30 yet so 1pt slam or energy drain was more useful to me in the beginning missions. Early game is fun with cryo+locust on low leveled enemies. Eh even mantis is fun on low leveled enemies. I'd really like to help you with vids but I don't feel like buying cables and spending energy to be able to record on my xbox yet... One thing I like to do is use the fact that RELEASING a charged chot while you're cloaked doesn't uncloak you, so if enemy is near, you can charge, cloak, shoot and run for a LONG while after and get better cover\\another shot off and really confuse the poor enemies.
Always nice to see new builds. Keep up the good work !
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pasting vids with the totally overpowered GPS is not that cool. i hope you know that.
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*siiiiigh*
I dunno, I thought I'd explained it in nice, general terms. Terms that can be applied to any weapon loadout, any build. Terms that can be applied to any class. Guess I was too vague, maybe.
The vids are of my personal Infiltrator, who is of course going to be equipped and built to be a good as I can possibly make her because I'm not in the habit of gimping myself. Somehow this apparently invalidates everything I said.
I mean, what is it you need? You want me to make a vid about assaulting positions with unsuitable, completely retarded weapons like a Viper or something? Or my fists? Without Cloak, maybe? Repeat over and over what's already in the guide? Set my vids to Tool songs because everyone likes Tool?
Actually that sounds like a decent idea. I'll go do that.
I dunno, I thought I'd explained it in nice, general terms. Terms that can be applied to any weapon loadout, any build. Terms that can be applied to any class. Guess I was too vague, maybe.
The vids are of my personal Infiltrator, who is of course going to be equipped and built to be a good as I can possibly make her because I'm not in the habit of gimping myself. Somehow this apparently invalidates everything I said.
I mean, what is it you need? You want me to make a vid about assaulting positions with unsuitable, completely retarded weapons like a Viper or something? Or my fists? Without Cloak, maybe? Repeat over and over what's already in the guide? Set my vids to Tool songs because everyone likes Tool?
Actually that sounds like a decent idea. I'll go do that.
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:/ I think your vids are good. I wondered at first why you seemed to avoid using your sniper rifle, but your explanation actually makes a lot of sense. Just keep doing what you're doing, because haters are gonna hate regardless of what you do.
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Alright, here we go!
In retrospect, probably should've done a step by step thing like that as the first video, heh.
If after watching that, anyone still can't believe it can be done without a GPS, well... God help you, because I can't.
In retrospect, probably should've done a step by step thing like that as the first video, heh.
If after watching that, anyone still can't believe it can be done without a GPS, well... God help you, because I can't.
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Posté 28 septembre 2010 - 11:05
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kajtarp wrote...
pasting vids with the totally overpowered GPS is not that cool. i hope you know that.
Why should he intentionally use an underpowered weapon? Thats just poor strategy.
Whats cool is avoiding getting hit, killing an enemy before they can even shoot at you, not playing in red all the time. Gimping yourself isnt cool.
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No dude, i dont mean that as an insult. I apologize if you see it that way.
But your topic title is agressive infiltrator and stuff, while your using a shotgun wich has incredible long range, even compared to the Evi, and its range is simple superior compared to the Katana/Scimitar/, while its damage is comparable with the Claymore. So talking about being agressive while using the GPS from longe range is kinda meh....
But your topic title is agressive infiltrator and stuff, while your using a shotgun wich has incredible long range, even compared to the Evi, and its range is simple superior compared to the Katana/Scimitar/, while its damage is comparable with the Claymore. So talking about being agressive while using the GPS from longe range is kinda meh....
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