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[lastpatriot]

As someone who always played the Infiltrator class as the cloak+sniper, it's great to see the other options that we can run with.  Your guide really makes the class much more fun!

[lazuli]

kajtarp wrote...

No dude, i dont mean that as an insult. I apologize if you see it that way.

But your topic title is agressive infiltrator and stuff, while your using a shotgun wich has incredible long range, even compared to the Evi, and its range is simple superior compared to the Katana/Scimitar/, while its damage is comparable with the Claymore. So talking about being agressive while using the GPS from longe range is kinda meh....

And yet his playstyle is significantly more aggressive than the standard cloak + snipe Infiltrator that at least I've been playing.  And the GPS has beautiful synergy with Tactical Cloak.

[Simbacca]

kajtarp wrote...

pasting vids with the totally overpowered GPS is not that cool. i hope you know that.

You can't read that line and not think it was a dickish thing to say, no matter how you try to spin it now.

Did Oni say he was cool?  Did he say he's infiltrator was uber?  No, he simply posted an informative series explaining the particular way he plays as was requested of him.  Not everyone who posts vids on these forums does so to show off how uber/leet they are while gimping themselves and other such nonsense.  Some people post vids to be informative to even those that don't play on insanity as constantly as the regular members here.  As easy as it is for us regulars, insanity can be very intimidating and difficult to the newcomer and we see threads started here by random new members regularly because of just that.  Hell informative, instead of show-off, videos is what all of Gatsby's videos were always about and yet he never got this much damn grief.

And Oni, you're right.  You did explain your tactics well enough that it could be applied to any player using any weapons.  From just what you originally posted, I could see and believe you would be able to use the same tactics even if your loadout was unneccessarily stupid instead, like Shuriken/Katana/Mantis.  What your forgetting is that the average forum nerd doesn't actually ever try to understand anything, they just look for ways to degrade other player's abilities because, sadly, their self-delusions about how uber they are at video games is the only thing they can be proud of in their lives.

[sinosleep]

OniGanon wrote...

Alright, here we go!


In retrospect, probably should've done a step by step thing like that as the first video, heh.

If after watching that, anyone still can't believe it can be done without a GPS, well... God help you, because I can't.

LMFAO, the viper and tool, I guess even when frustrated you should take anything OniGanon says literally.

[Simbacca]

OniGanon wrote...

Alright, here we go!


In retrospect, probably should've done a step by step thing like that as the first video, heh.

If after watching that, anyone still can't believe it can be done without a GPS, well... God help you, because I can't.

Good baby steps video, even if, as my last post explained, it should have been unnecessary.  Though I see how you were trying to appease the critiques by using the Viper the whole time to show that the strategy didn't need the GPS, they will simply now complain after watching this that it wasn't aggressive enough (due to the very stupid limitation of not using a shotgun you were forced into).  I'd say don't bother trying to appease people, but if you still want to, just make a vid using the Katana or Scimitar as your shotgun and the Tempest or Shuriken as your SMG.

sinosleep wrote...

LMFAO, the viper and tool, I guess even when frustrated you should take anything OniGanon says literally.

ROFL, that was my thoughts when watching as well

kajtarp wrote...



that is what i would call agressive....

That is a great video, but it also is a little easier and an unfair comparison.  Enemies don't just stand still like statues for you to shotgun when you have squadmates along.

Modifié par Simbacca, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:51 .

[OniGanon]

Ehh.. it's cool, clearly the guide needs more detail, so I'll go into more detail. I'll edit the Assume the Position section to include and expand on the stuff I put in the vid. When I have time.

As for that vid, that method of play is not possible or at the very least extremely difficult to do with the squad alive. Not trying to knock Cruc1al or anything, it's NOT easy to pull off even with them dead and having them along brings many benefits (as I hope I show) that more than makes up for it, but you can't use those SAME methods when they're alive. Try it and you'll very likely die a horrible death.

That's why, when I linked that vid, it came with a little disclaimer, because it's really not representative of the playstyle in this guide. If you do want to try that out, have your Infiltrator pick up Shotgun Training, send your squad ahead of you to die early in every battle, and have fun with that.

Actually, anyone who does pick up Shotguns should try that out at least once. It's pretty hilarious.

Modifié par OniGanon, 28 septembre 2010 - 04:20 .

[Kronner]

OK inspired by the OP I made a second Infiltrator and took shotguns on CS this time.

I recorded two vids:

Shepard vs. Blood Pack

Shepard vs. Enyala's gang

[Leon Zweihander]

Since squad setups haven't been mentioned yet I thought I'd give it a start. Since most people tend to pick Miranda as their first we'll just move on to the second. My preference for an Infiltrator is Samara post-loyalty, Reave for armors/barriers, Pull to set up warp detonations with Miranda and an assault rifle to boot makes her one of the best teammates to pair with an Infiltrator imo.

Pre-loyalty though I just recently noticed there may be others better suited. To play aggressively, especially on Insanity having teammates that can instantly strip off a defense bar is almost a requirement. The Infiltrator easily covers armor with Incinerate while Miranda can cover shields. Until Samara's loyalty mission is completed Grunt may just be the best available with his health regeneration, access to shotguns/asault rifles and Concussive Shot to strip off barriers.

Modifié par Leon Zweihander, 28 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Bozorgmehr]

OniGanon wrote...

Alright, here we go!

Great video! First I thought you were gonna use Viper for CQC, somewhat like Neuzhelin uses Viper on his Vanguard, but you're only holdong it and use melee to kill the enemy

Kronner wrote...

OK inspired by the OP I made a second Infiltrator and took shotguns on CS this time.

I recorded two vids:

Shepard vs. Blood Pack

Shepard vs. Enyala's gang

I see you're playing Infiltrator again too. Very nice vids, loved the Krogan who got trapped by a door (5.37).

I'm using Katana instead of GPS and I love Neural Shock. I use squadmate powers and Viper to strip defenses and walk in with Katana to clean up. Once defenses are down nobody ever gets up again, they'll either freeze or get Neural Shocked! Thanks for this guide OniGanon, never thought you could mess around like this with an Infiltrator. I always considered them to be the sneaky class and you could either Cloak and snipe or Cloak and shotgun in the face. I know you play NG+ but I'm interested to see where your build priorities are. I started a new game (lvl 5) and I'm level 17 at the time and have all the tools I need already. Here's my build:

Disruptor Ammo (lvl 2)
Squad Cryo Ammo
Assassination Cloak
Agent
Neural Shock (lvl 1)
One point remaining

OniGanon wrote...

Ehh.. it's cool, clearly the guide needs more detail, so I'll go into more detail. I'll edit the Assume the Position section to include and expand on the stuff I put in the vid. When I have time.

As for that vid, that method of play is not possible or at the very least extremely difficult to do with the squad alive. Not trying to knock Cruc1al or anything, it's NOT easy to pull off even with them dead and having them along brings many benefits (as I hope I show) that more than makes up for it, but you can't use those SAME methods when they're alive. Try it and you'll very likely die a horrible death.

That's why, when I linked that vid, it came with alittle disclaimer, because it's really not representative of the playstyle in this guide. If you do want to try that out, have your Infiltrator pick up Shotgun Training, send your squad ahead of you to die early in every battle, and have fun with that.

Actually, anyone who does pick up Shotguns should try that out at least once. It's pretty hilarious.

Solo Infiltrator is very cool, but you're pretty much forced to play like Cruc1al does. Without squadies around, enemies will get behind cover while Cloaked making it nearly impossible to snipe anyway. Best thing you can do is to get close to the enemy, the area where shotties are king, and fire away. Cruc1al does that exceptionally well in his vids.

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 28 septembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[fegede]

This thread has now a high value of win in it

[EffectedByTheMasses]

fegede wrote...

This thread has now a high value of win in it

And Neural Shock ftw. Seriously best bonus power for an Infiltrator, and "pure" too.

Note: on veteran or lower, heavy shredder ammo is actually not bad for an agressive, weapon-oriented infiltrator, Swap between disruptor and shredder depending on the enemy works pretty well. I know that AP ammo is more or less the same weapon damage, but I always liked shredder more because it's green. 

[lazuli]

kajtarp wrote...



that is what i would call agressive....

That is an awesome video exhibiting an aggressive and entertaining playstyle.  There's just one problem.  The squadmates have been removed.  If you have squadmates around, enemies aren't just going to stand there waiting to get shot in the forehead.

I'm not saying it was easy to play the way the maker of that video did.  I'm just saying that active squadmates add a layer of depth into the equation that will result in constantly moving opponents.  The game is meant to be played with squadmates as well, which also warrants mention.  The only way to replicate that video without modding would be to throw your squad out into the open in the hopes they die, which is tactically unsound.

[OniGanon]

Zorya was mentioned earlier... That final room, you're already given excellent positions with say Zaeed covering the left flank and Garrus or yourself in this little hidey hole on the right to give 90 degree sniper crossfire. I've played that room aggressively, shotgunning my way through, it didn't feel like I was making the fight any easier because you're surrounded pretty much the whole time. I've pushed both spawn points, but as soon as you turn your back on one, it becomes a spawn point again. I've tried staying inside one spawn point, but it doesn't seem to work well, I dunno. That room seems specifically designed to force a Hold The Line fight, and that strategy works very well for it.

If anyone has an aggressive strat for that room I would love to hear it.



As for build order priority, Neural Shock being the bonus makes things easy, because you can just leave that at 1pt for a long while. You want 1pt Cryo before Horizon, if not sooner. 1pt of Incinerate, but I think you start with that anyway. Everything else can wait until you max your Cloak and Passive. Try and get 1pt AI Hack before Haestrom. After that, Squad Cryo Ammo, then Neural Shockwave if you're going for that. Then finally DIsruptor/Incinerate.

Kronner wrote...
OK inspired by the OP I made a second Infiltrator and took shotguns on CS this time.

I recorded two vids:

Shepard vs. Blood Pack

Shepard vs. Enyala's gang

Haha, you make my own build look better than I do!

Awesome vids, man. Especially liking the one for Miranda's Loyalty, I've never been happy with the way I handle the first and last fights of that one and it's giving me ideas.

Modifié par OniGanon, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:33 .

[Permutation]

Got another vid up if anyone wants to check it out.

[Bozorgmehr]

Permutation wrote...

Got another vid up if anyone wants to check it out.

Nice vid.
Did you packed CAIN with Widow ammo or what? > 100 ammo

Widow is an awesome weapon, but the OP is suggesting a more shotgun orientated playstyle, give it a try - I love it. Though you can't get the Widow playing like that , but a shotty and Neural Shock make up for it

[Simbacca]

OniGanon, you got your Kronner vid link names mixed up in the 2nd post.

Modifié par Simbacca, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:29 .

[OniGanon]

O.o Indeed I do. Did. Is fixed now.

[Kronner]

Played through Reaper IFF, it was really easy thanks to Neural Shock.
Then I hit Haestrom and AI hacking and Legion's drone were great. I played it safe in the end, did not want to risk dying and replaying the whole mission. Are there some special infiltrator strategies against the Colossus?
Gonna hit Collectors' home sometimes next week I guess. Thanks again OniGannon for this thread/guide, by far the most fun Infiltrator I have played

Modifié par Kronner, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:09 .

[Ares Caesar]

Kronner wrote...

Played through Reaper IFF, it was really easy thanks to Neural Shock.
Then I hit Haestrom and AI hacking and Legion's drone were great. I played it safe in the end, did not want to risk dying and replaying the whole mission. Are there some special infiltrator strategies against the Colossus?
Gonna hit Collectors' home sometimes next week I guess. Thanks again OniGannon for this thread/guide, by far the most fun Infiltrator I have played

Maybe its considered cheap I dunno, but the easiest way I've always taken down the colossus (did it with my infilitrator about 1 week ago) was squad disruptor+AI hack + 920 Cain.

I think I had Miranda and Garrus with, took the right side with the snipers perch. Just take out enough of the initial geth wave so you can make it to the right side without getting hit too much, then once actually ON the right side, cloak to close the distance (leave your squadmates behind at original location by Kal Reegar), then once you make it to the shade and cover call your squaddies over and start using their abilities against the shields of the colossus until most of the shield is down, then simply charge 920 cain +cloak = dead. Rest of the enemies from there out are pretty easy pickings.

Like I said, I dont know if thats considered cheap or what, but I found that to be the easiest method and wished I had used that for every playthrough (I have way more trouble trying to use the left or middle paths)

Modifié par Ares Caesar, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:17 .

[Bozorgmehr]

Kronner wrote...

Played through Reaper IFF, it was really easy thanks to Neural Shock.
Then I hit Haestrom and AI hacking and Legion's drone were great. I played it safe in the end, did not want to risk dying and replaying the whole mission. Are there some special infiltrator strategies against the Colossus?
Gonna hit Collectors' home sometimes next week I guess. Thanks again OniGannon for this thread/guide, by far the most fun Infiltrator I have played

It seems Colossus can still hit you with that nasty heavy weapon even while cloaked, good to know, I've yet to travel to Haestrom with my Infiltrator. Very cool vids Kronner, think I should give GPS a go. I'm running around with Katana and I'm not using Cloak that much anymore. Uploaded a OniGanon Infiltrator vid myseslf - no Cloaking allowed

Non-Cloaking Infiltrator on Collector Ship

Modifié par Bozorgmehr, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:48 .

[Permutation]

Bozorgmehr wrote...

Permutation wrote...

Got another vid up if anyone wants to check it out.

Nice vid.
Did you packed CAIN with Widow ammo or what? > 100 ammo

Widow is an awesome weapon, but the OP is suggesting a more shotgun orientated playstyle, give it a try - I love it. Though you can't get the Widow playing like that , but a shotty and Neural Shock make up for it

Thank you. Yeah, I understand all the shotgun cowboy hype, and while I like to do that and it's cool, I'd personally like to go my own route and be just as effective if not more effective with the sniper rifle, in any environment or situation. Not as easy as it sounds. Sometimes I pretend it's my only weapon... Forces me to increase my skill and survivability with it.

Edit: I guess my point is, I believe I can be just as "aggressive" and relentless with a sniper rifle.

Modifié par Permutation, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:12 .

[OniGanon]

Viper noscoping Scions, no Cloak shotgunning the platforms, you guys are crazy.



I heartily approve.