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[Risax]

So a lot of mages end up in the Circle of Magi, but how did they get there? Did their parents give them off wilingly? From what I know about the parents of the Mages, they are not always nice.

Like Jowans mother, after he had shown his magical abilities his mother ignored him and called him 'demon child' or 'abomination'. And after a while his father dropped him of at the local chantry where the Templars picked him up. I don't know excactly what happend to Wynne, but I guess her parents abondend her somewhere.

But what happens to parents like Isolde, who try to keep there children at home? Do all un-educated mages eventually become abominations no matter what their age? And what do the Templars do to parents who have hiddin their children away for so long? Are they punished?

[Serella]

Wynne didn't know her parents and came to live on a farm for a time. After the farmers son bullied her enough she set his hair on fire. Few days later Templars arrived to take her to the tower, after the parents contacted them.



As to the whole parent thing, who knows, I would assume it varies. I doubt the Templars would punish or imprison nobles due to the political backlash that might cause - like how Wardens won't conscript nobles.

[Hex of Hell]

Risax wrote...
But what happens to parents like Isolde, who try to keep there children at home? Do all un-educated mages eventually become abominations no matter what their age? And what do the Templars do to parents who have hiddin their children away for so long? Are they punished?

All mages don't eventually become abominations simply because they aren't trained by the Circle, and mages in the Circle can still become abominations, look at Uldred. The test of the Harrowing simply ensures that initiates are more likely to not be tempted or overwhelmed by demons, it's not guaranteed, nor is it guaranteed that an apostate couldn't develop the necessary willpower on her own.

As for the parents, I can't imagine the Templars punishing them. For one thing, I don't know that they have that kind of authority. The people are beholden to the Teyrns and the King, not the Chantry. I don't think they can go ahead and imprison them or something for trying to protect their child. Besides, I think most would agree that having your child snatched away from you forever is a punishment.

[Herr Uhl]

Wynne was an orphan. Not all of them become abominations, but there is a much higher risk.



They are either given off willingly, or through the "encouragement" of neighbors once they find out methinks.

[Risax]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wynne was an orphan. Not all of them become abominations, but there is a much higher risk.

They are either given off willingly, or through the "encouragement" of neighbors once they find out methinks.

By encouragement do you mean:'Let's rat those guys out to the Templars.'

[Herr Uhl]

Risax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wynne was an orphan. Not all of them become abominations, but there is a much higher risk.

They are either given off willingly, or through the "encouragement" of neighbors once they find out methinks.

By encouragement do you mean:'Let's rat those guys out to the Templars.'

Yes. Templars have the authority to seize any apostates, including children.

I wonder if there is some field-test to see if the children actually do have magical capabilities.

[Risax]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Risax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wynne was an orphan. Not all of them become abominations, but there is a much higher risk.

They are either given off willingly, or through the "encouragement" of neighbors once they find out methinks.

By encouragement do you mean:'Let's rat those guys out to the Templars.'

Yes. Templars have the authority to seize any apostates, including children.

I wonder if there is some field-test to see if the children actually do have magical capabilities.

The Templars must have some abilties to feel magic? Or can they only do it through phylactorys?

[Ortaya Alevli]

Guess it comes with experience. Ser Bryant in Lothering can tell if you're a mage. Other templars are wary of Morrigan but it didn't strike me as keen a sense as Ser Bryant's.

[Lumikki]

Children is also often given away because parents are too poor to keep them. So, they are given as servants. Also remember people fear magic, so someone will allways gonna tell where they are hiding. Problem is that too many people here try to fit today family and social rules to understand why it's done, when "time of swords and arrows" the society and families wheren't same at all.

[LobselVith8]

Risax wrote...

So a lot of mages end up in the Circle of Magi, but how did they get there? Did their parents give them off wilingly? From what I know about the parents of the Mages, they are not always nice.

Like Jowans mother, after he had shown his magical abilities his mother ignored him and called him 'demon child' or 'abomination'. And after a while his father dropped him of at the local chantry where the Templars picked him up. I don't know excactly what happend to Wynne, but I guess her parents abondend her somewhere.

But what happens to parents like Isolde, who try to keep there children at home? Do all un-educated mages eventually become abominations no matter what their age? And what do the Templars do to parents who have hiddin their children away for so long? Are they punished?

Templars bring them to the Circle. I suppose there are parents who willingly hand over children, but no one really has a choice in the matter. The Circles belong to the Chantry and they are all across Thedas. Mages basically are Chantry property. Given the templars attempts to kill Morrigan and her mother, I'd wager that they don't ask for permission to kill free mages. It doesn't help that people are afraid of mages and taught to fear them. Jowan's mother thought he was an abomination in the sight of the Maker, Isolde thought it was bad that her son was a mage because she was a pious woman, and plenty of members of the Chantry show their distrain for mages. The Chantry forcibly takes away children the moment they show signs of magical ability and practically imprison them to the Circles.

[foodstuffs]

Is there any proof that mages outside the circle are more likely to become abominations, or is that just Chantry propaganda to control mages?



It would be a real kick in the teeth for the Chantry if the general population found out that Andraste was actually a mage, assuming she actually was.

[Herr Uhl]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Given the templars attempts to kill Morrigan and her mother, I'd wager that they don't ask for permission to kill free mages.

Well, the templars sent after Flemeth were probably forewarned about that every single templar before them that went there died. Or at least never came back. I don't think Flemeth would co-operate if they would ask either.

They don't need to ask for permission, since it would be hard to ask for permission to anyone after chasing down a mage. Are they supposed to send a written form? Of course they can claim that the mage resisted arrest if they are sadistic bastards, but I don't see how it could be done differently.

[Corker]

I somehow suspect the Tevinter don't have their leaders turning into abominations on a regular basis, and the Dalish seem to keep things on the level.

[Risax]

Corker wrote...

I somehow suspect the Tevinter don't have their leaders turning into abominations on a regular basis, and the Dalish seem to keep things on the level.

Indeed, maybe the Harrowing brings more temptation to deal with demons? And with temptation I mean that the mages hate the Templars because they throw them at the wolves and want revenge.

Or maybe the Harrowing weakens them in some way? I heard mages saying that they where throwing up for a week, and one of the Senior Entchanters said that most mages rest for a week before they go back to studying. But maybe it was not only their bodys but also their minds that where weakend.

But do the Tevinter Magisters have a Harrowing,or something simmelair?

[Reaverwind]

Risax wrote...

So a lot of mages end up in the Circle of Magi, but how did they get there? Did their parents give them off wilingly? From what I know about the parents of the Mages, they are not always nice.

Like Jowans mother, after he had shown his magical abilities his mother ignored him and called him 'demon child' or 'abomination'. And after a while his father dropped him of at the local chantry where the Templars picked him up. I don't know excactly what happend to Wynne, but I guess her parents abondend her somewhere.

But what happens to parents like Isolde, who try to keep there children at home? Do all un-educated mages eventually become abominations no matter what their age? And what do the Templars do to parents who have hiddin their children away for so long? Are they punished?

I get the impression that the majority of parents are quite willing to see the backs of their mage children and that Isolde is the exception, not the rule. See conversations with various mages and easter egg codex picked up by your Dog. As for what happens to parents who try to keep their children, there isn't much info.

[Fishy]

foodstuffs wrote...

Is there any proof that mages outside the circle are more likely to become abominations, or is that just Chantry propaganda to control mages?

It would be a real kick in the teeth for the Chantry if the general population found out that Andraste was actually a mage, assuming she actually was.

It's not only for the abomination thing.They learn how to control their talent.
Would you like it if a mage was pissed at you but because he has no control over his magic  cast a massive fireball of doom toward you?

lol

The mage need more discipline . When all the bully in  your school would be mage .. No one would **** with em.

Modifié par Suprez30, 26 septembre 2010 - 07:47 .

[Risax]

@ Suprez30.

Well yes,they do need to learn to control their power. But if the family is rich enough they could hire a tutor like Isolde did. Especially when the son or daughter is their only heir. Or when one of the parents is an apostate they could teach their son and/or daughter, Like Hawkes Father did.

[foodstuffs]

Why would any tutoring have to be done inside the Circle, and thus under the supervision of the Chantry? I can see why the Templars are part of the Circle, but why must they, too, be under the supervision of the Chantry? Is the Chantry truly anything more than just a means to enforce tyranny? Templars keep Mages in check, the Chantry keeps Templars and Mages in check, but who keeps the Chantry in check? How do we know the Chantry is not just as responsible, if not more so, for a mage becoming an abomination? Is oppressing mages really a good thing considering the risk?

[Risax]

foodstuffs wrote...

Why would any tutoring have to be done inside the Circle, and thus under the supervision of the Chantry? I can see why the Templars are part of the Circle, but why must they, too, be under the supervision of the Chantry? Is the Chantry truly anything more than just a means to enforce tyranny? Templars keep Mages in check, the Chantry keeps Templars and Mages in check, but who keeps the Chantry in check? How do we know the Chantry is not just as responsible, if not more so, for a mage becoming an abomination? Is oppressing mages really a good thing considering the risk?

Actually its Templars keep mages in check, Seekers keep Templars in check, and the Chantrys Divine keeps the Seekers in check.

But if there is any secret society that keeps the Chantry in check...Only the devs know.

[foodstuffs]

I haven't been introduced to the Seekers yet, so I don't know anything about them.

[LobselVith8]

Herr Uhl wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Given the templars attempts to kill Morrigan and her mother, I'd wager that they don't ask for permission to kill free mages.

Well, the templars sent after Flemeth were probably forewarned about that every single templar before them that went there died. Or at least never came back. I don't think Flemeth would co-operate if they would ask either.

They don't need to ask for permission, since it would be hard to ask for permission to anyone after chasing down a mage. Are they supposed to send a written form? Of course they can claim that the mage resisted arrest if they are sadistic bastards, but I don't see how it could be done differently.

Given that templars are referenced as mage-hunters, I'm guessing it's a big part of their identity. Considering that the Chantry wiped out the towns of Nocen Fields and Marnus Pell because the people converted to the Qun, I doubt that their soldiers would treat illegal mages any differently.

[Risax]

What about Finn?

He knows his parents. His mother even made him that awfull mage hat.

[DMC12]

Risax wrote...

What about Finn?
He knows his parents. His mother even made him that awfull mage hat.

Haha! That hat was awesome, I like to think it's mostly a reference to the terrible mage hats in DA...

I think it's one of the may inconsistences in DA though. Wynne doesn't know where her kid is and thinks about him (think it was a him) everyday. Then again, maybe she just didn't follow up on the tyke, knowing she couldn't be a mother to him.


Oh and speaking of Finn, does anyone know if those With Hunt patches came out for the 360 and PS3 yet?

[nightcobra]

Risax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Risax wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Wynne was an orphan. Not all of them become abominations, but there is a much higher risk.

They are either given off willingly, or through the "encouragement" of neighbors once they find out methinks.

By encouragement do you mean:'Let's rat those guys out to the Templars.'

Yes. Templars have the authority to seize any apostates, including children.

I wonder if there is some field-test to see if the children actually do have magical capabilities.

The Templars must have some abilties to feel magic? Or can they only do it through phylactorys?

maybe the lyrium the templars ingest reacts with nearby magical activity?