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[dislye]

SirShreK wrote...

dislye wrote...

Get this back on topic! It was actually a good topic. From what Lukas said it seems there WILL be some "sexy" armor/clothing in the game. There's no reason for anyone to be on here complaining honestly. Everyone may end up getting what they want.

Yee-hAw?

 I don't know if you are being serious or trying to somehow mock what I said. As I said before, I don't care too much about scantily-clad fighters ( whatever the gender ). However, does that mean I will lose my mind if it's in the game? No. Does it mean I have the right to say that only full bodied armors should be in the game? No. So yes, you SHOULD say "yee-haw" because other gamers are getting some of things they want and we should be happy for them. Or am I missing something?

 

[joriandrake]

Nerevar-as wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

bust size debates can be avoided by adding breast size choice at character creation, I suggest to look at the char creator of Saint's Row 2, that had an amazing char creator in every perspective down to the ability to choose stance/style

The potential for disaster allowing that is almost limitless. Must admit I would probably have some fun with the designs... but Origins didn´t even allow to chage the height and width as NWN2 for instance. Hope DA2 does, most humans with the same body exactly save for skin tone is absurd nowadays.
 
EDIT: Is SR2 any good?

SR2 was overwhelming for me, I enjoyed the wast ability to costumize nearly everything, but the crazy sidequests in the end scared me away thus I didn't finish it, still, its character generator is great, especially for a game that is not even an RPG

I plan to try to play it again some time later


btw about your "potential for disaster": if you speak about "bust size misuse" I say everyone to their own preference, if they want absurdly huge or small ones for their own char they should be allowed to have them, but yes I do agree about hight and width (build) change need for DA is also needed

[Ares Caesar]

*not reading through anything but the original post*



I support the idea so long as its AS EXPLAINED. Not just there for the sake of "sex sells"



As the original poster stated, there were MANY cultures that believed armor was weak, or limited their movement.



Sure you can "not wear armor" in games, but basically then you're down to underwear and no body paint or anything actually cool looking, which is just stupid.



I'd think the "cloth armors" (as I'll refer to them), should provide faster movement (less fatigue or bonus to higher fatigue values), and perhaps some other sort of unique bonus, obviously your damage protection should be lower by design, but I dont see why it wouldnt be cool to have lightly clothed warriors.



It doesnt need to make them look like a cheesy porno movie, or even reveal anything significantly, just allow you to design a different look and have different benefits.



In fact I wish Mass Effect would allow for this as well (maybe it MASSIVELY increases storm speed and such). ---not no clothes, but like tighter leathers and spandex-esque outfits with perhaps light kevlar woven into obvious protection areas---



I think so long as its done well, and not for the sake of sex appeal, then hell yeah!

[ScotGaymer]

I have three problems with the whole scantily clad armours and chain mail bikinis thing.

Firstly; its often entirely one sided. Women wear Chainmail bikini's and men are still traipsing around in massive Templar Armour. Which I find massively unfair, vaguely sexist, and vaguely homophobic. Except in JRPGs - usually JRPGs have both men and women scantily clad; unfortunately the scantily clad man is either camp as christmas or andrygenous in JRPGs.
Secondly; often the scantily clad chain mail bikini qualifies as heavy or massive armours with the greatest protection when realistically they should be light armours and in some cases "robes" or "clothes" instead.
Thirdly; I find its entirely out of place in the Dragon Age setting. Some RPG universes such things work such as Final Fantasy as the first example that pops into my head. Its a vaguely out there RPG universe, so chainmail bikini's and whatnot can be gotten away with in those universes.

I dont mind the whole scantily clad armours thing. For example in Oblivion I downloaded and play with many revealing armour mods for both male and females - I used the construction set to put said armours and clothes etc onto various NPCs through the game.
In a lot of JRPGs there is a usually one scantily clad male and one scantily clad female and I am totally fine with it. Example Tifa in FF7 (and Advent Children) wears a boob tube and a micro mini skirt and shes got massive gazingas. Do I object to that? No. Similarily Fang in FF13 wears robes that show loads of leg, stomach, and side boob. No objections there. Mostly cause in FF7 Cloud, Vincent, and Sephiroth are all portrayed quite sexily; and in FF13 that honour falls to Snow (he wears fairly tight clothes only made more modest by his trench coat, and he gets his top off at one point).

If it fits the universe and its treated equally and maturely then I am all for it. But I really dont think it fits the Dragon Age universe; and I am fairly certain that the only reason the OP and many of the supporters of it want it is for eye candy/fan service and thats about it.
So I am against it for those reasons.

EDIT:
@Ares...

Um have you actually played Mass Effect 2? Have you seen Miranda, Jack, and Samara? The fact that they are ALL T&A?

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:28 .

[joriandrake]

Well, just adding a human culture that thinks wearing "too much" armor is equal being scared / weak / childish / insulting to God or Nature would really make the addition of these clothes and armor easier to the DA lore.

[Saraphial]

I would support this as long as it's done tastefully and not simply used as an excuse for putting women in itty bitty bikinis under the pretext, "Oh, well it's a magical bikini, so it's alright that she's only got a thong and two quarters to cover her boobs because she's still fully protected from swords, fireballs, etc." Like the picture of the woman sitting on the rock on the first page. I wouldn't be caught dead swimming in that, let alone kicking darkspawn ass.

[Sylvius the Mad]

NKKKK wrote...

And for console players?

If you guys don't want to figure out how to mod your games, that's your choice.

[NKKKK]

How about a **** you to Sylvius?



Purple hair guy, the first point has already been defeated a long time ago

[SirShreK]

I still fail to understand the Sexist argument about Bikini armor. I mean come on guys! It can be optional as long as there no real armor penalty! (moot penalties like Stamina regeneration which can be overcome by quaffing Stamina potions).

[shootist70]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

If it fits the universe and its treated equally and maturely then I am all for it. But I really dont think it fits the Dragon Age universe; and I am fairly certain that the only reason the OP and many of the supporters of it want it is for eye candy/fan service and thats about it.
So I am against it for those reasons.

That's a bit insulting, don't you think? Personally I'm not immature enough to reduce the human body in mature entertainment to 'eye-candy'. I find that horribly limited, and a little juvenile. I'm not even sure why these sort of hang-ups persist. It's a body  - we all have one - it's not a big deal.  Or at least it shouldn't be. It boggles the mind as to why people fear it so much.

But that wasn't the purpose of my OP, even though I have no problems with it. I suggested it in purely for variety and entertainment value, and I have tried to justify it. Feel free to disagree with those justifications if you like.

As for not fitting in with the DA setting - as we've already said, Kaddis works on Mubaris well enough, so why couldn't it work on warriors, just as the picts and celts thought woad warpaint did?

Modifié par shootist70, 27 septembre 2010 - 11:34 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

NKKKK wrote...

How about a **** you to Sylvius?

Why the hostility?  It's entirely possible to mod console games; you guys just aren't doing it.

[joriandrake]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

How about a **** you to Sylvius?

Why the hostility?  It's entirely possible to mod console games; you guys just aren't doing it.

actually modding console games is news to me too

[Dave of Canada]

joriandrake wrote...

actually modding console games is news to me too

I've done it for Borderlands, Mass Effect 2 and another budget title [it was bugged, I had to mod it to beat the game].

[Saibh]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

How about a **** you to Sylvius?

Why the hostility?  It's entirely possible to mod console games; you guys just aren't doing it.

Yes, but it's a bit difficult and can get your profile suspended.

[NKKKK]

It's illegal

[Sylvius the Mad]

No one is going to tell me how to enjoy my single-player game.

[NKKKK]

Except Microsoft, with a nice Xbox live ban.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's a single-player game. Why are you connecting to XBox Live? And if that's important to you, keep a second console for modifications (though that is one of those hidden costs of console gaming people don;t like to talk about).

[NKKKK]

Give me the money man, and I'll gladly do everything. In fact why don't you give the money to buy a new Pc able to play DA.



Or tell Bioware to develop cross platform save transfer. Also Xbox live is required to fully enjoy the game these days.

[Dave of Canada]

NKKKK wrote...

Or tell Bioware to develop cross platform save transfer.

It's planned.

[joriandrake]

cross-transporting saves would be nice

[ScotGaymer]

shootist70 wrote...

FitScotGaymer wrote...

If it fits the universe and its treated equally and maturely then I am all for it. But I really dont think it fits the Dragon Age universe; and I am fairly certain that the only reason the OP and many of the supporters of it want it is for eye candy/fan service and thats about it.
So I am against it for those reasons.

That's a bit insulting, don't you think? Personally I'm not immature enough to reduce the human body in mature entertainment to 'eye-candy'. I find that horribly limited, and a little juvenile. I'm not even sure why these sort of hang-ups persist. It's a body  - we all have one - it's not a big deal.  Or at least it shouldn't be. It boggles the mind as to why people fear it so much.

But that wasn't the purpose of my OP, even though I have no problems with it. I suggested it in purely for variety and entertainment value, and I have tried to justify it. Feel free to disagree with those justifications if you like.

As for not fitting in with the DA setting - as we've already said, Kaddis works on Mubaris well enough, so why couldn't it work on warriors, just as the picts and celts thought woad warpaint did?

Ya know you guys all seem to be working in absolutes here.

Nowhere did I say that I wasnt open to another intepretation or to changing my mind if it was introduced with a plausible reason for it.
If you are insulted that most str8 male gamers who want scantily clad women in their games for eye candy and fanservice then thats your problem because lets face it, its totally true. Please not the "MOST " not ALL.

As I said strictly speaking I am not apposed to the idea. However as I said often when chainmail bikinis and whatnot are included in games (again please note the OFTEN not ALWAYS - looking at you NKKKK) its often totally one sided. Only sexy often blonde women with giant mammaries get the sexified treatment and guys dont.
As I said already this isnt always the case - Final Fantasy 13 is my example of this, saw an NPC in Palumpolum who as a guy wearing a tight red crop top that left nothing to the imagination with a open yellow waist coat over it and tight 3 quarter length trousers which also left nothing to the imagination. Also my examples of Fang and Snow both being quite sexily dressed.

I am sorry I presumed that you were indeed part of the fanservice crowd. I am pleased you are not.

I remain unconvinced however that such armours would fit in the DA2 setting. The Chasind perhaps might have made a good prospect for such a cultural belief. The Free Marches however seem to be a collection of city states, bishoprics, and principalities ala the Holy Roman Empire in real life history as near as I can tell.
I dont see such a culture being present in that particular part of Thedas; but admittedly if written well could be included.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .

[NKKKK]

keyword: planned. To finally shut Sylvus up and get the thread back on track, I wouldn't mind us console players not being able to mod as long Bioware gives us lots of content to begin with.

[Sylvius the Mad]

NKKKK wrote...

Xbox live is required to fully enjoy the game these days.

Why?

But if that's how you feel, then fine.  But you willingly made the trade.  You can play on a console and have big brother watch you, or you can play on a PC and not have that.

I'm not saying either approach is better.  I'd just like all players to know what the trade-offs really are.

[Barker673]

 I only opened this thread because of the pictures it was bound to have. 

But as for the original original topic of the thread I'd be all for a Berserker/Chasind type class that benefits from wearing nothing/pelts/woad/tattoos. It fits with the DA universe and it would allow more choice for aesthetic and playing style qualities for a player - so why not?

As for the metal bikini argument, I don't want it to be like Ivy from Soul Calibur, but I don't mind a little skin being shown. That being said, a character can still be sexy and feminine in the right armour/clothing, even if it's neck-to-knee. It just has to be skin tight is all.

EDIT: 
@Sylvius: Even if you're a console gamer that plays only single player games like ME2, Dragon Age, Fallout or even Assassin's Creed - Xbox Live account is still required to download extra content because no-one releases DLC on retail discs these days, which is a real shame.

Modifié par Barker673, 28 septembre 2010 - 12:21 .