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[CrookedAsylum]

dislye wrote...

You know, I ACTUALLY like this idea. If a person is going to wear little armor then have a good reason for them not to. Although if a player wanted their character to be someone who thought armor was for wimps that would also be reason enough. I don't to much care for the scantily-clad armors (male or female) but I don't think it's bad to have in the game. It's no reason for anyone to get upset really; if you do not like that armor don't wear it. Some people like skimpy armor, why should they not have some things in the game for them? Anyway, this is a neat idea and should be implemented into future titles, whether some people agree with it or not.

The good folk at Bioware generally disagree. I forget who said it, but one of the devs didn't much like the idea of the bikini plate mail armor.

[Dave of Canada]

I'm tired of people wanting to see boobs for the sake of eye candy, for god's sake grow up.

Jynthor wrote...

I'm all for scantily clad warriors.

You can shoot fireballs from your fingertips and realism is an issue? Yeah right.

There's suspension of disbelief and realism.

When I see a world with magic, dragons and such I don't suddenly go "OMFG WHAT THE HELL THAT'S UNREALISTIC!" because it fits the world and it's realistic for the setting.

Plate-bra armor isn't realistic. You run into battle, you get stabbed in the stomache and you die. There's nothing different there. That's the realism people talk about. So when you expect me to see women fighting with no armor and getting stabbed in the stomache taking less damage because of it, you'll see me call bull**** on that.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:49 .

[SirShreK]

Dave of Canada wrote...
There's suspension of disbelief and realism.

When I see a world with magic, dragons and such I don't suddenly go "OMFG WHAT THE HELL THAT'S UNREALISTIC!" because it fits the world and it's realistic for the setting.

Plate-bra armor isn't realistic. You run into battle, you get stabbed in the stomache and you die. There's nothing different there. That's the realism people talk about. So when you expect me to see women fighting with no armor and getting stabbed in the stomache dealing less damage because of it, you'll see me call bull**** on that.

I don't think health potions are realistic from any pov.

[Dave of Canada]

SirShreK wrote...

I don't think health potions are realistic from any pov.

It's sort of funny considering what a poultice is. Though that's more gameplay mechanics rather than anything else, watching you rub yourself with poultices and waiting for a few weeks for it to heal would be rather frustrating.

[dislye]

NKKKK wrote...

dislye wins thread

kneels honorably lol

 Seriously, it amazes me how people complain about how "I want armor!" or "I don't want to see my character wearing skimpy armor!" and not realize that others have a contrasting opinion. What is so hard about NOT wearing armor you don't want? Or selling it for a few silvers? It's a darn shame: People are selfish even with a game, a role-playing at at that (where the player decides how they wat to do things).

[Dave of Canada]

dislye wrote...

 Seriously, it amazes me how people complain about how "I want armor!" or "I don't want to see my character wearing skimpy armor!" and not realize that others have a contrasting opinion. What is so hard about NOT wearing armor you don't want? Or selling it for a few silvers? It's a darn shame: People are selfish even with a game, a role-playing at at that (where the player decides how they wat to do things).

You can not wear armor. Just don't expect any stats from being without it.

[LokiHades]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm tired of people wanting to see boobs for the sake of eye candy, for god's sake [i]grow up.[i]

Jynthor wrote...

I'm all for scantily clad warriors.

You can shoot fireballs from your fingertips and realism is an issue? Yeah right.

There's suspension of disbelief and realism.

When I see a world with magic, dragons and such I don't suddenly go "OMFG WHAT THE HELL THAT'S UNREALISTIC!" because it fits the world and it's realistic for the setting.

Plate-bra armor isn't realistic. You run into battle, you get stabbed in the stomache and you die. There's nothing different there. That's the realism people talk about. So when you expect me to see women fighting with no armor and getting stabbed in the stomache dealing less damage because of it, you'll see me call bull**** on that.

Dave, you took the words right out of my mouth. In addition, Gear has mentioned the chafing, bleeding, and the like. If you take a good look at the procedure for wearing plate armor, they always had a layer of leather underneath the armor to prevent such issues, which is not present (or not aparent enough) in chainmail and plate bras/bikinis. Honestly, chain hurts. It clips onto whatever it can on your body (wore a chain coif before, and it likes to bite everywhere).

Also, if you want purely aesthetic scantily clad things, go ahead, no one's stopping you from DLing those mods. You'll find better stuff on the webs. I just don't get why people are so fascinated with people wearing things that are completely unpracticle in the environs they're used in. The easiest solution to non-practicality is "magic" but I've always found that a poor excuse.

Modifié par LokiHades, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:59 .

[NKKKK]

Plate-bra armor isn't realistic. You run into battle, you get stabbed in the stomache and you die. There's nothing different there. That's the realism people talk about. So when you expect me to see women fighting with no armor and getting stabbed in the stomache dealing less damage because of it, you'll see me call bull**** on that.

You're getting stabbed left and right anyways, by all standars, wearing leather armor is a death trap. Also you're getnig punched in the ribs by an ogre, you should also be dead. You got fire breathed on you by a fire dragon, and you live.



Gameplay mechanic? Yeah, im calling bull**** on you.



And then complain about skimpy armor...wow seriously.

[dislye]

Dave of Canada wrote...

dislye wrote...

 Seriously, it amazes me how people complain about how "I want armor!" or "I don't want to see my character wearing skimpy armor!" and not realize that others have a contrasting opinion. What is so hard about NOT wearing armor you don't want? Or selling it for a few silvers? It's a darn shame: People are selfish even with a game, a role-playing at at that (where the player decides how they wat to do things).

You can not wear armor. Just don't expect any stats from being without it.

well, I do wear armor because that's what I prefer :happy: I just see no reason for others to not have some of the things they want as well. It doesn't have to be chain mail bikinis. Why does everyone thinks scantily-clad means chain mails bikinis? I don't mean you Dave but others do. 

[Rogue Unit]

Not to mention mabari and mages wearing robes that get stabbed all the time. I think wearing skimpy armor would be more effective and life saving than robes, even if just by an inch.

[dislye]

CrookedAsylum wrote...



The good folk at Bioware generally disagree. I forget who said it, but one of the devs didn't much like the idea of the bikini plate mail armor.

 Yeah I know, I read it myself lol Scantily -clad doesn't mean running around in bikinis though. I could draw several scantily-clad warriors (male and female) and not one of them would simply have a bikini. If I can do it I'm sure the devs can. They didn't say "no" to having scantily-clad armor, they just said no chain-mail bikinis.

[joriandrake]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm tired of people wanting to see boobs for the sake of eye candy, for god's sake grow up.

Jynthor wrote...

I'm all for scantily clad warriors.

You can shoot fireballs from your fingertips and realism is an issue? Yeah right.

There's suspension of disbelief and realism.

When I see a world with magic, dragons and such I don't suddenly go "OMFG WHAT THE HELL THAT'S UNREALISTIC!" because it fits the world and it's realistic for the setting.

Plate-bra armor isn't realistic. You run into battle, you get stabbed in the stomache and you die. There's nothing different there. That's the realism people talk about. So when you expect me to see women fighting with no armor and getting stabbed in the stomache taking less damage because of it, you'll see me call bull**** on that.

Heh, with this reasoning we can have a "+5 Hardened Magical Barrier Platinum Bikini" what would in effect raise armor anddefense rating to the extreme, it doesn't even have to be metal, make it a tanga instead, with the effect of magic it doesn't matter if what you wear is noble clothes or your pijamas neither, and I don't care what is realistic and what not in a fantasy game, as myself and others already pointed out before, you should chose for yourself  and for your party what you want to wear instead of criticizing the opinion of others and trying to keep content even lower

[Addai]

I look forward to finding that Enchanted Loincloth in DA2 drops.

+5 dexterity...from letting the boys fly free
+2 constitution...from the added ventilation
Lucky... self-explanatory
Messy Kills... because you'd better be swinging that axe pretty hard or you're dead

Modifié par Addai67, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:08 .

[NKKKK]

Bikinis are obviosuly stupid, but there are several fantasy like armor that show a lot without showing it all.

[Rogue Unit]

Was I the only one that thought that the Massive armor in DA:O looked unrealistic? Coupled with a massive 2Handed Sword, I think it'd be more unrealistic to see someone in that fighting effectively than to see someone in skimpy armor.

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:13 .

[Saibh]

Rogue Unit wrote...

Not to mention mabari and mages wearing robes that get stabbed all the time. I think wearing skimpy armor would be more effective and life saving than robes, even if just by an inch.

One defeats the purpose of the other. You wear robes for magical enhancement. You wear armor to protect yourself, which is why wearing teeny not-there armor doesn't make a lot of sense from most perspectives.

As to why women might choose to wear more modest robes over revealing ones? Common decency, modesty, warmth, practicality?

In the scenario presented in OP, there are logical reasons for characters to dress sparingly. For characters like Morrigan and Miranda, it makes sense. But I don't see why there should be armor on men that fully covers them while armor on females bares a good portion of their chest and midriff, like Dalish armor.

When done gratuitously and only for fanservice, I don't want to see it. Women play this game too. You can have your fanservice in the form of Morrigans and Mirandas. I don't think armor should be skimpy just because guys get greedy with their fanservice. You want fanservice? Go play DOA.

[NKKKK]

When done gratuitously and only for fanservice, I don't want to see it. Women play this game too. You can have your fanservice in the form of Morrigans and Mirandas. I don't think armor should be skimpy just because guys get greedy with their fanservice. You want fanservice? Go play DOA.

Um, no. You selfish person. Look at your tone. It's basically saying "**** you". Common decency and modesty? Who gives a **** about that? Especially in video games. I play these things because the stupid **** that we see in real life aren't there.



Choices. Let the player have a choice of letting their femhawks and companions have loin clothes and fur bras. Just like girls have the right to play a man hawke with no top and washboard abs.



These are both at the Dev's discretion however.

[Dave of Canada]

dislye wrote...

Why does everyone thinks scantily-clad means chain mails bikinis? I don't mean you Dave but others do.

Just look at all the pictures that were posted in the previous pages with people going "ZOMG HOT" and such.

NKKKK wrote...

Gameplay mechanic? Yeah, im calling bull**** on you.

What the hell? There's a certain expectation playing the game. Being oneshot by an enemy is just bad gameplay design. I can fight a Dragon in the game because it's a boss, it's an important part of the gameplay and being unable to kill it because it just bite my head off isn't fun at all. Especially in a game where most combat is designed by numbers and you can't dodge attacks.

And then complain about skimpy armor...wow seriously.

I'll complain about it because people are being immature and want eye candy for the sake of eye candy. I want to be treated as an adult, not some hormone controlled teenager.

[Whailor]

Now, being a normal man I like scantly clad beautiful female forms any day and any time, obviously. But I am also a practical person and when it comes to combat and armor, I find it silly. Who on Earth would wade into thick of combat clad only with TWO STRIPS OF METAL? Now yes, I understand that it's a fantasy and from the history we also know that there weren't really female warriors as such in general (with a handful as exception, throughout the history) but still, it gives no reason to make these silly armors for female fantasy warriors. Armor is there to give protection. Full body armor protects. Thin metal bra and bikini does NOT protect anything. And let's be honest, the moments where some male warrior would stop the combat just to stare at some barely clothed female warrior, dumbfounded, just to get smacked in the head by that female warrior - that's a stupid Hollywood fantasy and insulting generalization. On a battlefield not a single real male warrior would ever stop to eye enemy opponent, no matter how scantly clad it is or what gender it is. Enemy needs to die and less armor on it makes it only easier to kill that enemy. There's a lot going on on the battlefield that it isn't even the weapon alone which can kill such unarmored person - a lot of debris and obstacles need to be crossed or crashed through on a battlefield and such barely armored person would literally die several times over like this, before even getting hit by an actual weapon.



So yeah, bikini is nice, in certain context but it has no place on battlefield. A warrior on battlefield needs to be armored appropriately. And armor and clothing wasn't just used for battle protection alone, it also provided protection from elements of nature. So I personally do not want to see such stupid armors and outfits in the game, at least not when it comes to armor, because it is not PRACTICAL. Bikini is not armor. Let them wear bikinis in party camp and fancy dressed when they're off duty in the city but on battlefield they better be clad into armor which does what it is supposed to do, or they're going to kitchen duty forever.

[Rogue Unit]

Saibh wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

Not to mention mabari and mages wearing robes that get stabbed all the time. I think wearing skimpy armor would be more effective and life saving than robes, even if just by an inch.

One defeats the purpose of the other. You wear robes for magical enhancement. You wear armor to protect yourself, which is why wearing teeny not-there armor doesn't make a lot of sense from most perspectives.

As to why women might choose to wear more modest robes over revealing ones? Common decency, modesty, warmth, practicality?

In the scenario presented in OP, there are logical reasons for characters to dress sparingly. For characters like Morrigan and Miranda, it makes sense. But I don't see why there should be armor on men that fully covers them while armor on females bares a good portion of their chest and midriff, like Dalish armor.

When done gratuitously and only for fanservice, I don't want to see it. Women play this game too. You can have your fanservice in the form of Morrigans and Mirandas. I don't think armor should be skimpy just because guys get greedy with their fanservice. You want fanservice? Go play DOA.

Why does everything have to turn into "Women vs Men" or "Men just want the game to appeal to them" with you?

I never said anything about women wearing skimpy armor, I didn't even use the word "women."  I never said anything about women wearing revealing robes or anything.

All I said was that if someone stabbed you randomly with a sword 9/10 the "skimpy armor" is better to have than mage robes. That's it.

[shootist70]

CrookedAsylum wrote...

dislye wrote...

You know, I ACTUALLY like this idea. If a person is going to wear little armor then have a good reason for them not to. Although if a player wanted their character to be someone who thought armor was for wimps that would also be reason enough. I don't to much care for the scantily-clad armors (male or female) but I don't think it's bad to have in the game. It's no reason for anyone to get upset really; if you do not like that armor don't wear it. Some people like skimpy armor, why should they not have some things in the game for them? Anyway, this is a neat idea and should be implemented into future titles, whether some people agree with it or not.

The good folk at Bioware generally disagree. I forget who said it, but one of the devs didn't much like the idea of the bikini plate mail armor.

My OP was never about plate bikinis, but about giving warriors an extra option based with a bit of justification for it. Like I said earlier, the picts and celts beleived that their woad warpaint gave them magical protection, and this is already in the game in the form of Kaddis for the Mubaris. I've also thrown the beserker thing in there for extra variety.

Ok, it might result in a bit of flesh, but what's the big deal?  Warrior/heroic epics have always had a good measure of rippling abs and slab-like pecs in them. Do we have some sort of double standard where we can't see a female warrior physique without wanting to throw a blanket over it? Seems a bit chauvenistic, if you ask me.

Modifié par shootist70, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:22 .

[Maverick827]

NKKKK wrote...

Choices. Let the player have a choice of letting their femhawks and companions have loin clothes and fur bras. Just like girls have the right to play a man hawke with no top and washboard abs.

Choices would be fine if they did not intrude in my gameplay.  The nature of these types of games is that there are a few armor models that everyone uses.  If these were to be included, then I would eventually have to put up with them on Random Guard #37 and it would entirely break immersion.

[NKKKK]

I'll complain about it because people are being immature and want eye candy for the sake of eye candy. I want to be treated as an adult, not some hormone controlled teenager.

Then don't put the armor on, that easy. And for us inmature pre-teens, we're happy too. 

Maverick, i know, Bioware can't afford **** right now. Right now, I'd prefer practilty. But in the future, when they can do it, it's na option.

Modifié par NKKKK, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:26 .