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marbatico wrote...

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How very lovely. This well-composed argument, both tactful and respectful, urges me to listen to NKKKK's ideas with an open mind, and not treat him like a young child. Later, I shall offer him tea and biscuits.

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Of course. You are required to wear a top hat and monocle.

On topic, I would be fine with the occasional piece of scantly clothing/armor, so long as the stats reflected that and it wasn't the norm.

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Agreed with above post.

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MerrickShep wrote...

I think it would be cool if on like Male Hawke you could go topless and just have gauntlets and some pants or something. Was a thing for me in the first game I wanted to go topless but you couldn't do that without going pantless.


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Riiiight.

Honestly I like Conan. The REH one, not the one that Arnie portrayed.

Here's a pic with armor:

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Here's one without:

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Notice the scantily clad girl.

Yup. Its the legendary Frazetta.

I like both. I would love to have an option to be armored or unarmored as the situation demands.... Armored in siges and lightly armoured/ bare chested in skirmishes.

Modifié par SirShreK, 27 septembre 2010 - 08:57 .


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I do think, for the sake of argument, that if they were to have chainmail bikinis, then they could have equivalent shirtless Conan the Barbarian-esque "armors" for males. So I dunno about it being a gender issue.

I don't think the two are very equivalent.  I don't follow the Conan universe, but I'd assume that his people did not have advanced metal working capabilities?  Someone mentioned earlier that such loose garb would be logically acceptable on a Chasind, both male as well as female, so the "Conan" equivalent would be underclothed Chasind.

The chainmail bikini is a paradox; any people with the capability to forge such a thing would be intelligent enough to know how useless it would be and, subsequently, never craft one.


Hm, well, okay... A chainmail pair of pants with assless chaps? I dunno, how about, take whatever would be an equivalent comparison, and replace my Conan suggestion with that.

I suppose clothing like this could be acceptable if it was an outfit-- like, a theater outfit. Orlesians, you know. :whistle:But not some kind of armor that we're actually supposed to take seriously as armor.

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The scantily-clad warrior could have bonuses that other armors do not. Heavy armor may gave +10 armor defense -6 speed +7 intimidation/ leather armor +7 speed -3 armor +5 cunning/ scantily-clad armor -7 armor +11 speed +10 persuasion (on women if playing as a male and on men if playing as a female) each armor could have their own strength and weaknesses.

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filaminstrel wrote...

Hm, well, okay... A chainmail pair of pants with assless chaps? I dunno, how about, take whatever would be an equivalent comparison, and replace my Conan suggestion with that.

I don't think there is a male equivalent.  The concept is so illogical that the universe can only sustain one at any given time before imploding in on itself and starting anew in hopes that the new sentient lifeforms do not conceive of it the second time around.

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NO CAUSE THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL!

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Sure, why not. Personally, I just dislike it when something skimpy has the best ratings in the game forcing me to wear it. Fanservice should not come at the expense of gameplay. I remember KotOR2 had the dancer's outfit that would give a charisma bonus (possibly just to men, IIRC). If you know what I mean. I was okay with that. Of course it was for fanservice, but I didn't need to wear it, and if guys wanted to use it to ogle at the women, fine, whatever. It wasn't interfering with my enjoyment of the game.


Wow, progress.


I've never been against that previous sentiment--the difference being I so rarely see a time when skimpy armor has a low armor rating based off its appearance. Generally skimpy armor is just the female version of regular, practical armor. To implement armor like that, they'd either have to make a model that is equally impractical for men and women or to just make a few fan service models only for women. Essentially, useless armor. I just don't see the developers wanting to do that, especially in this setting.

That's why I rarely make the difference--because I don't see the devs just making fan service armor. If they do, whatever. But if fanservice armor is included the way you're asking for it, it is more than likely going to be the female version of a regular armor set, which is what I have a problem with. 

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But if fanservice armor is included the way you're asking for it, it is more than likely going to be the female version of a regular armor set, which is what I have a problem with.




I never specifically said that either, making it regular armor for women, that's you assuming again.

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Chain Mail bikini: male enemies have penalty to attack for the obvious distraction, in addition to all enemies suffering from surprise as no one can believe someone would go in battle like that.



Cons: no armor + bloody death after they cut you to pieces. Surviving characters models show the scars.

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NKKKK wrote...

But if fanservice armor is included the way you're asking for it, it is more than likely going to be the female version of a regular armor set, which is what I have a problem with.


I never specifically said that either, making it regular armor for women, that's you assuming again.


Maybe I'm confusing serious you with troll you.

I think you should go back and clarify which ones are troll you.

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Only if the guys are dressed as gladiators, with almost nothing on. :P

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Nop, not even troll me said "This should be the norm for all women."

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I see in this thread the coming of Modern fantasy that demands realism un-necessarily. For those who are unfamiliar with Conan mythos (which was itself was loosely set in the Lovecraftian setting) RE Howard, Conan's creator was in fact against depiction of too much sexuality in his stories... But the situation forced him to include it anyway. I would like to point out that Howard was in fact a pragmatist, in whose novels Women hardly ever equaled the ranks of men.

Today, we are realists who demand realism in armor but not in gender related issues because that would be politically incorrect. I do not call that hypocrisy; but just rashness to venture too quickly into issues that appear straightforward but are not. For example, sword and sorcery fantasy has been an evolving genre (like everything else) that was once upon a time highly male oriented but now like everything else has become politically correct. Calling Red Sonya unrealistic, thus does not make sense because realism was not the motive behind her usual depiction. It was profit, which remains unchanged in having genders on equal footing in action games today.

Modifié par SirShreK, 27 septembre 2010 - 09:15 .


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Smartass: I am amused that there are some who are generally opposed to revealing armor, but would make an exception if the character had a reason. As though observers would be thinking "Oh, it's a cultural thing? Then I shant be titilated." Would the character have to make the viewer aware before the distinction could be made, so as to avoid some sort of quantum state of arousal/unarousal? Perhaps a pamphlet entitled “Upon my Preference for Showing the Goods.”

Although it would allow me to write an epic thong. W’dge of the Chasind has a ring to it. And not much else. Badum-TISH.

Serious: I’m sure we’ll have opportunity for sexiness that both appeases and offends depending on your nature, but in general, the more armored you are, the more armor you are wearing. That’s a design choice to support the mechanics/appearance of the IP and give clarity to players. And Origins did have some juggling between the benefits of mobility versus raw protection, so we'll probably have similar tradeoffs this time around.

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Lukas you are the man.

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Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Smartass: I am amused that there are some who are generally opposed to revealing armor, but would make an exception if the character had a reason. As though observers would be thinking "Oh, it's a cultural thing? Then I shant be titilated." Would the character have to make the viewer aware before the distinction could be made, so as to avoid some sort of quantum state of arousal/unarousal? Perhaps a pamphlet entitled “Upon my Preference for Showing the Goods.”

Although it would allow me to write an epic thong. W’dge of the Chasind has a ring to it. And not much else. Badum-TISH.

Serious: I’m sure we’ll have opportunity for sexiness that both appeases and offends depending on your nature, but in general, the more armored you are, the more armor you are wearing. That’s a design choice to support the mechanics/appearance of the IP and give clarity to players. And Origins did have some juggling between the benefits of mobility versus raw protection, so we'll probably have similar tradeoffs this time around.


I don't really care how much actual protection such clothes/armor would give if they are included, mage spells and other class abilities can defend the character anyway, and I am sure if there were such clothes I would use them atleast occassionally or for a single full walkthrough for the fun of it. And seriously: Who doesn't want/like them just shouldn't wear them, that is all. (although forcefully being thrown into an arena with such clothes would be a fun event ingame)

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How bout this:



If the guys profession of his group requires them to wear armor, then the women in that same group and profession are required to wear the same armor.



No exception.

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joriandrake wrote...

I don't really care how much actual protection such clothes/armor would give if they are included, mage spells and other class abilities can defend the character anyway


That kind of thinking led to cleavages in zero atmosphere :wizard:

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joriandrake wrote...

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Smartass: I am amused that there are some who are generally opposed to revealing armor, but would make an exception if the character had a reason. As though observers would be thinking "Oh, it's a cultural thing? Then I shant be titilated." Would the character have to make the viewer aware before the distinction could be made, so as to avoid some sort of quantum state of arousal/unarousal? Perhaps a pamphlet entitled “Upon my Preference for Showing the Goods.”

Although it would allow me to write an epic thong. W’dge of the Chasind has a ring to it. And not much else. Badum-TISH.

Serious: I’m sure we’ll have opportunity for sexiness that both appeases and offends depending on your nature, but in general, the more armored you are, the more armor you are wearing. That’s a design choice to support the mechanics/appearance of the IP and give clarity to players. And Origins did have some juggling between the benefits of mobility versus raw protection, so we'll probably have similar tradeoffs this time around.


I don't really care how much actual protection such clothes/armor would give if they are included, mage spells and other class abilities can defend the character anyway, and I am sure if there were such clothes I would use them atleast occassionally or for a single full walkthrough for the fun of it. And seriously: Who doesn't want/like them just shouldn't wear them, that is all. (although forcefully being thrown into an arena with such clothes would be a fun event ingame)


To me is not about being forced to wear them, is about a supossedly realistic setting having that kind of  "armor"
as working. It is the equivalent of going into battle in underwear. At least with Morrigan she wasn´t supposed to go in melee, at least in human form.

I already found the cleaveage in light armors in Origins silly.

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Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

Smartass: I am amused that there are some who are generally opposed to revealing armor, but would make an exception if the character had a reason. As though observers would be thinking "Oh, it's a cultural thing? Then I shant be titilated." Would the character have to make the viewer aware before the distinction could be made, so as to avoid some sort of quantum state of arousal/unarousal? Perhaps a pamphlet entitled “Upon my Preference for Showing the Goods.”

Although it would allow me to write an epic thong. W’dge of the Chasind has a ring to it. And not much else. Badum-TISH.

Serious: I’m sure we’ll have opportunity for sexiness that both appeases and offends depending on your nature, but in general, the more armored you are, the more armor you are wearing. That’s a design choice to support the mechanics/appearance of the IP and give clarity to players. And Origins did have some juggling between the benefits of mobility versus raw protection, so we'll probably have similar tradeoffs this time around.


Let me clarify. I don't want to see gratuitous fanservice armor in Dragon Age. You guys have shot yourselves in the foot already if you were trying to portray Thedas as a place where metal bikinis are a commonly accepted thing. To suddenly see that out of nowhere would be silly and jarring and I don't want it unless there's a reason.*

I will happily go play Bayonetta or Soul Calibur or DOA and not bat an eyelash at the fanservice because that's the kind of game they're going for so whatever. More power to them.

So, if you guys are wanting to put in a companion who dresses like a Chippendale, please also include a venue for The Chippendales: Denerim so that he can be a former employee who decided hordes of screaming drunken women were far too dangerous and longed for a simple life fighting darkspawn and Qunari instead.

*Not that this is an actual concern of mine. I'm just sayin'.

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4kids tv.

Back to troll mode, lol fangirls ^^^^^^^^

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GearRust wrote...
If the guys profession of his group requires them to wear armor, then the women in that same group and profession are required to wear the same armor.

No exception.

That's how Bethesda's latest two (FO3 and Oblivion) worked, especially the medium+ level armors. I think the armor should be feminised, because a woman's armor would clearly fit differently to a male's armor, but I don't think it should be made less protective.

It just looks silly.

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I didn't know you needed half-naked women for it to be an adults show?

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Khayness wrote...

joriandrake wrote...

I don't really care how much actual protection such clothes/armor would give if they are included, mage spells and other class abilities can defend the character anyway


That kind of thinking led to cleavages in zero atmosphere :wizard:


And zero atmosphere bra strap. And exposed eyes too.