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[TheRevanchist]

I have wondered for quite some time. Is she ACTUALLY baron or does she simply hate the thought of children/sex? This may have been answered before but I can't find anything on this, only hints about "rumors" of it. I also need to know this because this will effect my Landsmeet choices for my canon Grey Warden.

Edit: I can't ever spell her freaking name right

Modifié par kylecouch, 26 décembre 2010 - 10:51 .

[Wulfram]

I don't think there's strong reason to believe either. She hasn't had a child so far in 5 years of marriage, which may not indicate much - particularly since Cailan's other liaisons are apparently childless also.

[Sandtigress]

First you have to remember that everyone is telling their side of the story with their own agenda in mind.

So what we know as fact is that Cailan and Anora have been married five years with no offspring to show for it. The assumption is that Anora is infertile. There is no reason to believe, however, that Cailan [i[was[/i] capable of siring children.

Now, as far as Cailan cheating on Anora...we only have Anora's word on it, and at that particular moment when she reveals this she's trying to get on your good side so that you will back her in the Landsmeet. It might be true...or she might just be saying it for her own purposes.

So there is no fast and hard "Yes, she is" or "No, she isn't" - we can't even say for sure what Cailan and Anora's relationship was like. We know that Cailan wasn't happy about Eamon wanting him to put Anora aside - that might betray an amount of affection for his wife. Anora, too, claims that they loved each other, but that's in (at least in one scenario) a situation where she's talking to Alistair's lover, which could be seen as teeth showing.

We also do know, for a fact, that if Anora rules alone, she declines to remarry on account that no man lives up to the example of her father. Does that mean that she and Cailan had no relations by which to conceive a child? Maybe, maybe not.



In the end...you're probably right back where you started, a grey area with no concrete answers.

[TheRevanchist]

maybe, maybe not...even should The Warden choose to marry her the thought of children still strikes terror into her when Loghain mentions it. now...granted they havn't known one another for very long at that point. However you would think by now she would be trying to have at least one child. She is...I think...30 years of age, shes basicly outta time. Where I her, and able to have kids, I would do everything possible to have one just to ensure Civil War is avoided upon my death over the Crown.

[TheRevanchist]

Because atm she simply seems to show reluctence towards the issue. However as a Queen she should be eager to expand the bloodline as much as possible. The continued stability of the nation after her death would be dramaticly different should she not have a child. And if she truly cares for Fereldens well-being as much as she claims that should be an important reason for her to be trying as offten as possible.

[Siduri]

kylecouch wrote...

maybe, maybe not...even should The Warden choose to marry her the thought of children still strikes terror into her when Loghain mentions it. now...granted they havn't known one another for very long at that point. However you would think by now she would be trying to have at least one child. She is...I think...30 years of age, shes basicly outta time.

Actually, women are still pretty fertile until 35. The decline at 35 is dramatic and steep. But there's no reason to write Anora off while she's still in her early thirties. That line in Eamon's letter never made a lot of sense to me.

[CalJones]

She's around 27 during the game - approaching 30 as Eamon says, but there's plenty of time for her to produce offspring.

My mother had me when she was 36 - I was her first (and only) child and was conceived in spite of her using contraception.  (Admittedly it was a cap, and admittedly she was a bit drunk and may not have put it in straight...but still). Women can be pretty fertile until they're 40. Some retain their fertility longer than others.

Modifié par CalJones, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[TheRevanchist]

Ok about 27 then...despite that information it does not write off the other reasons to already have as many children as possible. I can understand her reluctence in Cailen's case, however I feel that is outweighted out of her duty to ensure the royal bloodline remains intact. Look at Queen Rowan as a primary example. She had every reason in the world to not deal with Marric at all after all his crap. But she realized the future of Ferelden was too important to allow personal feelings to be involved, as did Loghain.

Granted blame can't be cast on that situation but the point in fact is that if she is simply refuseing because she is picky she should get over herself.

Modifié par kylecouch, 27 septembre 2010 - 07:43 .

[Zy-El]

My impression of Anora is that she's too full of herself. In her mind, there is no one else who can rule Ferelden except herself. She is so caught up in political machinations that she cannot be bothered by something so pedestrian as getting pregnant and giving birth. The "look of horror on her face" as Loghain described her demeanor when he queried her on the topic says it all. She sees herself as a fierce ruler of a nation rather than the silent child-bearer of the next heir. It would not surprise me if she were still a virgin - not even so much as a dalliance for fear that it would invite scandal and lessen her hold on power.

Although . . . she did use her womanly charms on Cailan to earn the throne, but seems to have put them aside once she had power. At no point does she even hint at seducing the Warden, male or female.

[TheRevanchist]

Zy-El wrote...

My impression of Anora is that she's too full of herself. In her mind, there is no one else who can rule Ferelden except herself. She is so caught up in political machinations that she cannot be bothered by something so pedestrian as getting pregnant and giving birth. The "look of horror on her face" as Loghain described her demeanor when he queried her on the topic says it all. She sees herself as a fierce ruler of a nation rather than the silent child-bearer of the next heir. It would not surprise me if she were still a virgin - not even so much as a dalliance for fear that it would invite scandal and lessen her hold on power.
Although . . . she did use her womanly charms on Cailan to earn the throne, but seems to have put them aside once she had power. At no point does she even hint at seducing the Warden, male or female.

Aye...if she is not in fact baron this is the only possible explination. Despite that however I think IF she is in fact able to reproduce because the country is going to fall apart after her death if not. IF she's Queen that is, besides wouldn't she want a child so she can teach them how to rule? If she thinks she OOH SO GREAT at it surely she should think her cheat book of knowlege should be passed down to ensure continuing prosperity.

[Addai]

Fertility doesn't seem to be too high in Thedas. You see several families who only have one child, including Maric and Rowan and Loghain and his wife. A political marriage also cuts down on the chances that the couple is going to be compatible and thus in babymaking mode.



There is enough evidence to point to Anora being frigid, but nothing that is hard and fast. Her look of horror at her father talking about an heir could be interpreted different ways. I think it's all left up to the player to determine what you believe to be true.

[Persephone]

Addai67 wrote...

Fertility doesn't seem to be too high in Thedas. You see several families who only have one child, including Maric and Rowan and Loghain and his wife. A political marriage also cuts down on the chances that the couple is going to be compatible and thus in babymaking mode.

There is enough evidence to point to Anora being frigid, but nothing that is hard and fast. Her look of horror at her father talking about an heir could be interpreted different ways. I think it's all left up to the player to determine what you believe to be true.

To tell the truth, whenever MY father asks just why my BF and I won't make him a Grandpa already.....my response varies between horrified, annoyed and embarrassed.

[DragonRacer13]

Yeah, it's not really known. She could be, but then again, Cailan could be "shooting blanks" as well.  However, it seems that in medieval times, lack of baby-producing was generally blamed on the womenfolk.

[Monica21]

Zy-El wrote...

My impression of Anora is that she's too full of herself. In her mind, there is no one else who can rule Ferelden except herself. She is so caught up in political machinations that she cannot be bothered by something so pedestrian as getting pregnant and giving birth. The "look of horror on her face" as Loghain described her demeanor when he queried her on the topic says it all.

Well, how would you respond if your father asked you about the possibility of having an heir? The look on my face might be something close to horror too. Not to mention that she and Loghain were hardly close, and it's quite a personal question.

She sees herself as a fierce ruler of a nation rather than the silent child-bearer of the next heir. It would not surprise me if she were still a virgin - not even so much as a dalliance for fear that it would invite scandal and lessen her hold on power.

She may see herself as a ruler, but she is not unaware of her duties as a wife or a queen. Nor would she be so dismissive of them as to disregard them completely. I would be incredibly surprised if she declined to have sex with her husband on her wedding night at the very least. I think considering her still a virgin after five years of marriage is a bit much.

Although . . . she did use her womanly charms on Cailan to earn the throne, but seems to have put them aside once she had power. At no point does she even hint at seducing the Warden, male or female.

Why should she hint at seducing the Warden? She doesn't know you. If she marries a Cousland then she knows the strength is in the political bond. And she's also a Queen. It would be rather unseemly of a queen to flirt with someone she barely knows.

[TJPags]

Good question.



What we know is that there are no children. What we don't know - well, that's legion:



Were there any miscarriages? This would indicate she can conceive.

She indicates Caillan has 'his women'. Any of them ever get pregnant? This would indicate he's not sterile.

Just how often did they get it on? There's indications from both sides that they're fond of each other, but that's not always enough. We certainly have no indication that they spent a lot of time trying.



Unfortunately, in many societies, including modern ones, "blame" (I use this term loosely) usually attaches to the woman first. Fair? Not in the least.



Is she barren? No clue. That's the bottom line.

[Reika]

Heck, there's mention that there's ways of avoiding pregnancy, for all we know Anora is perfectly capable of getting pregnant but using some means not to for whatever reason.

[TheRevanchist]

Well there is someone who knows the answer to this question -cough- Mr. Gaider -cough-. not that I'm suggesting anything because I'm sure he wouldn't be able to tell us because it's a secret.

[Giggles_Manically]

kylecouch wrote...

Well there is someone who knows the answer to this question -cough- Mr. Gaider -cough-. not that I'm suggesting anything because I'm sure he wouldn't be able to tell us because it's a secret.

to everyone?

[Reika]

kylecouch wrote...

Well there is someone who knows the answer to this question -cough- Mr. Gaider -cough-. not that I'm suggesting anything because I'm sure he wouldn't be able to tell us because it's a secret.

I think they like to let us come up with our own ideas for certain things.

[MKDAWUSS]

Anora was secretly on The Pill.


zing!

[Reika]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Anora was secretly on The Pill.


zing!

It's not that hard to do.

[Raiil]

I find it highly obnoxious on Anora's part that she's so deadset against having a child (unless she actually knows herself to be infertile, in which case I don't blame her reaction). She can blather on about how much Ferelden ~*means*~ to her, but having an heir is important to stability. No, I don't think that she should be nothing but a uterus on legs, but her personal issues < Ferelden. Not having a viable heir is giving foreign countries license to sweep down and cause problems when the inevitable war breaks out afterwards.





That being said, I think it might be a case of her own uncertainty of her fertility and not wanting to have an heir because that displaces her power. If she popped out a kid, even with Cailan dead, she loses her power when the kid comes of age. :/

[Monica21]

Valentia X wrote...

I find it highly obnoxious on Anora's part that she's so deadset against having a child (unless she actually knows herself to be infertile, in which case I don't blame her reaction). She can blather on about how much Ferelden ~*means*~ to her, but having an heir is important to stability. No, I don't think that she should be nothing but a uterus on legs, but her personal issues

Where do you get the idea that Anora is "deadset against having a child"?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I reckon she's infertile. It means no matter WHAT happens at the Landsmeet, someone will be on the throne who has fertility issues and Bioware can safely plunge Ferelden into a war of succession (or whatever) when no heir is conceived.

[Raiil]

Monica21 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I find it highly obnoxious on Anora's part that she's so deadset against having a child (unless she actually knows herself to be infertile, in which case I don't blame her reaction). She can blather on about how much Ferelden ~*means*~ to her, but having an heir is important to stability. No, I don't think that she should be nothing but a uterus on legs, but her personal issues

Where do you get the idea that Anora is "deadset against having a child"?

Her reaction she had to Loghain asking about a kid. He tells you about it in Awakenings if you're a HNM who's married to her. I'm pretty sure a look of horror = DNW.