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[yo bro]

Actually having Leliana as a mistress is a politically correct move since Anora doesnt like the thought of children

[Monica21]

Valentia X wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I find it highly obnoxious on Anora's part that she's so deadset against having a child (unless she actually knows herself to be infertile, in which case I don't blame her reaction). She can blather on about how much Ferelden ~*means*~ to her, but having an heir is important to stability. No, I don't think that she should be nothing but a uterus on legs, but her personal issues

Where do you get the idea that Anora is "deadset against having a child"?

Her reaction she had to Loghain asking about a kid. He tells you about it in Awakenings if you're a HNM who's married to her. I'm pretty sure a look of horror = DNW.

Which could mean any number of things besides "Do Not Want." She could be horrified that her father is basically asking about her sex life. I would be. It's also a very personal question, and Loghain and Anora are not particularly close.

"I'm pretty sure" is not in-game evidence for a solid conclusion.

[Raiil]

Monica21 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Monica21 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I find it highly obnoxious on Anora's part that she's so deadset against having a child (unless she actually knows herself to be infertile, in which case I don't blame her reaction). She can blather on about how much Ferelden ~*means*~ to her, but having an heir is important to stability. No, I don't think that she should be nothing but a uterus on legs, but her personal issues

Where do you get the idea that Anora is "deadset against having a child"?

Her reaction she had to Loghain asking about a kid. He tells you about it in Awakenings if you're a HNM who's married to her. I'm pretty sure a look of horror = DNW.

Which could mean any number of things besides "Do Not Want." She could be horrified that her father is basically asking about her sex life. I would be. It's also a very personal question, and Loghain and Anora are not particularly close.

"I'm pretty sure" is not in-game evidence for a solid conclusion.

Except it's an extremely pertinent question between two generally responsible people who are both- or claim to be- concerned for the well-being of the kingdom, of which an heir is paramount. I doubt Loghain was asking for a laundry sheet of positions Anora preferred. He's asking a question that isn't exactly personal for a ruler- heirs are important and it's a question that's going to come up. Unless Anora is extremely immature on the subject of sex- and what are the odds on that- I can't see her pulling a face just because dad asked about grandkids. There is no way in hell Anora can't know how important having a kid is, especially in light of what happened after Cailan died, with no real heir around until Eamon propped up Alistair.

[Monica21]

Valentia X wrote...
Except it's an extremely pertinent question between two generally responsible people who are both- or claim to be- concerned for the well-being of the kingdom, of which an heir is paramount. I doubt Loghain was asking for a laundry sheet of positions Anora preferred. He's asking a question that isn't exactly personal for a ruler- heirs are important and it's a question that's going to come up. Unless Anora is extremely immature on the subject of sex- and what are the odds on that- I can't see her pulling a face just because dad asked about grandkids. There is no way in hell Anora can't know how important having a kid is, especially in light of what happened after Cailan died, with no real heir around until Eamon propped up Alistair.

Loghain's words: "I asked Anora if there were plans for an heir. The horrified look she gave me tells me no, but you might not want to wait much longer."

I take this to mean, there are no current plans, she hasn't been married to you very long, but you should probably get started on planning for an heir. I don't see anything about being deadset against having a child, but believe what you will.

[yo bro]

well she said Cailan had his lovers, so she musyt not be good in bed

[CalJones]

That's nonsense. Some men play around despite having a wonderful partner. Look at Tiger Woods - married to a model most men would give their right arms to get a date with, yet he became a serial adulterer. The fact Cailan couldn't keep it in his pants has little to do with Anora, and more to do with the fact he was a weak-willed but handsome young king who couldn't resist the women who threw themselves at him.

[Esbatty]

CalJones wrote...

That's nonsense. Some men play around despite having a wonderful partner. Look at Tiger Woods - married to a model most men would give their right arms to get a date with, yet he became a serial adulterer. The fact Cailan couldn't keep it in his pants has little to do with Anora, and more to do with the fact he was a weak-willed but handsome young king who couldn't resist the women who threw themselves at him.

On top of this, pun fully intended, he was also well aware of his Father's affection for Elven lovers over the years. Considering one of Cailan's bedtime stories was the entirety of "The Stolen Throne" including Maric's relationship with Katriel and Loghain and Rowan's one-time in the Deep Roads. So to Cailan a "betrothal" didn't mean he had to be faithful as Maric and Rowan, over the time of their marriage, eventually came to mutually love each other but Rowan never stopped caring for Loghain nor did Maric stop thinking of Katriel.

[nos_astra]

CalJones wrote...
The fact Cailan couldn't keep it in his pants has little to do with Anora, and more to do with the fact he was a weak-willed but handsome young king who couldn't resist the women who threw themselves at him.

It has more to do with the fact that Cailan never chose Anora. They were betrothed as children and grew up like brother and sister (I believe, something like that was said in the game).

Married to a woman/man you don't love because it is your duty, would you never at least think about what it is like to be with someone you really want?

Modifié par klarabella, 28 septembre 2010 - 08:12 .

[CalJones]

Several sources seem to indicate that they do have great affection for one another. Even Eamon said Cailan was helpless when Anora batted her eyelashes. But whether that amounted to romantic love is another matter - love and in love are two different things.

Still, I was merely responding to the rather offensive statement that a man must play around because his wife's no good in bed. Horse crap.

[nos_astra]

CalJones wrote...
Still, I was merely responding to the rather offensive statement that a man must play around because his wife's no good in bed. Horse crap.

You're right, that's nonsense. I happen to like Anora. She has her faults, as had Cailan. They were a good team, that much is sure.

[TheRevanchist]

I also like Anora despite her faults for the most part. However this does not change the facts that she apparently don't care about Ferelden after she dies because if she did she would be trying as often as possible.

[Frybread76]

The problem with Anora is if she marries either the Warden or Alistair, they will probably want an heir to carry on the family line. If she does not or cannot have children, then they will turn to other women, which might result in a civil war.

[TJPags]

CalJones wrote...

That's nonsense. Some men play around despite having a wonderful partner. Look at Tiger Woods - married to a model most men would give their right arms to get a date with, yet he became a serial adulterer. The fact Cailan couldn't keep it in his pants has little to do with Anora, and more to do with the fact he was a weak-willed but handsome young king who couldn't resist the women who threw themselves at him.

Wait a minute.

While it;s true that simply because your partner is not amazing in bed is no reason to run off and have an affair, it's equally true that just because someone is good looking doesn't mean that they're great in bed or even highly interested in sex.

That aside, I do subscribe to the "they liked each other a lot, maybe even loved each other, but may not have been in love" school as to why there's no kid.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Frybread76 wrote...

The problem with Anora is if she marries either the Warden or Alistair, they will probably want an heir to carry on the family line. If she does not or cannot have children, then they will turn to other women, which might result in a civil war.

No matter who you crown or don't crown, the game pretty much hints that trouble is brewing in the furture because ferelden will be heirless. If Anora marries a Warden, either your character or Alistair, the chances of kids are still low due to low warden fertility. Anora alone never remarries, so we never find out for certain if she's barren or not, again, no heir. Alistair alone, again, he's a Warden. fertility problems.

Anora's fertility, I think, is probably not as comprimised as that dimwitted Eamon thinks. I mean, just because his own wife is a braindead broodmare does not mean other noble women are so hard pressed.

[Urazz]

I figured if anyone was infertile, it was Cailan. Either that or Anora and Cailan didn't really have sex that much or weren't really compatible.  Either way, I think Anora could have kids fine.  I also think Anora and Cailan weren't 'in love' with each other.  Maybe a more platonic or sibling like love.

Either way, even if Alistair/Anora, Alistair/Warden, Anora/Warden, or Anora by herself don't have a child to be the heir to the throne, one can always be appointed. Sure there may still be problems with succession after the death of the king and/or queen but it wouldn't be an all out civil war unless said appointed heir is an incompetant boob or turns down the throne.

Modifié par Urazz, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:56 .

[Janni-in-VA]

As several posters have pointed out, we really don't know whether Anora was barren or Cailan was sterile or if there was some other obstacle to their having children. Although she's in her late twenties, Anora still has plenty of time to have a child or two. While Ferelden is an hereditary monarchy, the approval of the Bannorn is also important. Naming a successor which the Bannorn finds acceptable would prevent any potential problems after the death of whomever you leave on the throne. There are other families in Ferelden whose lines are as old as the Theirin line, including the Couslands and the Guerrins.

[Siduri]

Janni-in-VA wrote...

There are other families in Ferelden whose lines are as old as the Theirin line, including the Couslands and the Guerrins.

Fergus for King! I could totally get behind that campaign.

[Sabariel]

I like to delude myself into thinking that Anora and Erlina have a little thing going on which is the reason for no littluns. That's just me though...

[Kornichon]

Sabariel wrote...

I like to delude myself into thinking that Anora and Erlina have a little thing going on which is the reason for no littluns. That's just me though...

that's what I've always thinking

[Juztazinja]

I.. Personally, found her a cranky, uptight, wench... I am leaning towards the virgin angle, she just won't let herself be touched because of her upity nature, not to mention I deposed her, after I cut her fathers head off.. Getting that chill up my spine as blood splatters all over her.



She just does NOT strike me as being infertile, also remember! Cailen is a dimbulb, loves flights of fancy over reality, if she didn't want him to bang her.. I could imagine a girl of her silver tongued talents, could get poor Cailen to do whatever she wanted him to, such as make her a sandwich instead of hawt smex! That crazy female wore the pants in that relationship.



Remember who her father was/is.. She could very well be a manipulative creature, loving to control others, yet... Never letting anyone close to her. Her nearly insane amibitions could easily override the political reasons of having an offspring, just wanting more control, who knows! I am voting... She ain't been bedded yet.. Have at er' Heros!... She looks like she got hit hard in the face with a frying pan, IMO, so I'll stick with Leli'..

[TheRevanchist]

Juztazinja wrote...

I.. Personally, found her a cranky, uptight, wench... I am leaning towards the virgin angle, she just won't let herself be touched because of her upity nature, not to mention I deposed her, after I cut her fathers head off.. Getting that chill up my spine as blood splatters all over her.

She just does NOT strike me as being infertile, also remember! Cailen is a dimbulb, loves flights of fancy over reality, if she didn't want him to bang her.. I could imagine a girl of her silver tongued talents, could get poor Cailen to do whatever she wanted him to, such as make her a sandwich instead of hawt smex! That crazy female wore the pants in that relationship.

Remember who her father was/is.. She could very well be a manipulative creature, loving to control others, yet... Never letting anyone close to her. Her nearly insane amibitions could easily override the political reasons of having an offspring, just wanting more control, who knows! I am voting... She ain't been bedded yet.. Have at er' Heros!... She looks like she got hit hard in the face with a frying pan, IMO, so I'll stick with Leli'..

Also a possibility...would explain the lack of children without question. Would also explain why Eamon wanted Cailen to marry the Empress instead. Ignoreing his Orlaisan wife.

[Wulfram]

Juztazinja wrote...

She just does NOT strike me as being infertile

How do people who are infertile strike you?

[saruman85]

Wulfram wrote...

Juztazinja wrote...
She just does NOT strike me as being infertile

How do people who are infertile strike you?

Man, I laughed so hard at this.

Sabariel wrote...
I like to delude myself into thinking that
Anora and Erlina have a little thing going on which is the reason for no
littluns. That's just me though...

Damn! The whole family's got this crazy obsession with Orlesians!

You wouldn't happen to have read any Joe Abercrombie, would you...

Modifié par saruman85, 29 septembre 2010 - 01:57 .

[Corker]

Wulfram wrote...

Juztazinja wrote...

She just does NOT strike me as being infertile

How do people who are infertile strike you?

With significant force, for making a remark like that, I should think.

[Annie_Dear]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

I reckon she's infertile. It means no matter WHAT happens at the Landsmeet, someone will be on the throne who has fertility issues and Bioware can safely plunge Ferelden into a war of succession (or whatever) when no heir is conceived.

Pretty much this.