Annie_Dear wrote...
Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...
I reckon she's infertile.It means no matter WHAT happens at the Landsmeet, someone will be on the throne who has fertility issues and Bioware can safely plunge Ferelden into a war of succession (or whatever) when no heir is conceived.
Pretty much this.
This. Alistair is the last of the Theirin bloodline, and magical Warden + Alistair babies only happen in fanfic. You're absolutely correct that the Landsmeet is just the beginning of the problems of succession Ferelden is going to have.Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
No matter who you crown or don't crown, the game pretty much hints that trouble is brewing in the furture because ferelden will be heirless. If Anora marries a Warden, either your character or Alistair, the chances of kids are still low due to low warden fertility. Anora alone never remarries, so we never find out for certain if she's barren or not, again, no heir. Alistair alone, again, he's a Warden. fertility problems.
Anora's fertility, I think, is probably not as comprimised as that dimwitted Eamon thinks. I mean, just because his own wife is a braindead broodmare does not mean other noble women are so hard pressed.
Monica21 wrote...
And as a reply to other thoughts, I'm staggered that people actually think that Anora is still a virgin because she "doesn't like to be touched." A lot of queens don't like to be touched, especially if they don't know where their husband's ****** has been, but wives in medieval times didn't exactly choose not to be virgins. You had sex on your wedding night and were there when your husband wanted you. Not to mention that she's too smart to use the ice queen excuse to refuse Cailan. She knows that doing so will lead him to other women and the possibility of bastard children. That would be utterly stupid on her part.
Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...
Monica21 wrote...
And as a reply to other thoughts, I'm staggered that people actually think that Anora is still a virgin because she "doesn't like to be touched." A lot of queens don't like to be touched, especially if they don't know where their husband's ****** has been, but wives in medieval times didn't exactly choose not to be virgins. You had sex on your wedding night and were there when your husband wanted you. Not to mention that she's too smart to use the ice queen excuse to refuse Cailan. She knows that doing so will lead him to other women and the possibility of bastard children. That would be utterly stupid on her part.
I've seen it suggested, and thought of it myself, that one of the main reasons Anora has no children is perhaps a nervous reluctance/fear of childbirth. After all, in the Medieval world, childbirth was an incredibly dangerous enterprise, with very high infant and maternal deaths during birth. We don't know exactly when or how Anora's mother died, for all we know, she could have died giving birth to a second child that died also. Or Anora is just quite nervous by the prospect.
As you said, she also could, at least as far as Cailan was concerned, grown rather cool towards him as a result of his numerous affairs. I certainly would not be eager to jump in the sack with a husband that ran around screwing about. That would certainly be a passion killer. And Cailan was weak enough that Anora could delay or put off sex with him more often than not. I'd not blame her.
Though Anora is smart enough to understand that her main role is birthing an heir, she is also clever and manipulative enough that she could probably wind her way through that minefield and work things to her advantage. And until someone produces a bastard of Cailan's, which, given the nature of the Bannorn and Ferelden politics in general, should have been produced and utilized by now, it seems likely Cailan shot blanks.
saruman85 wrote...
Man, I laughed so hard at this.Wulfram wrote...
How do people who are infertile strike you?Juztazinja wrote...
She just does NOT strike me as being infertileDamn! The whole family's got this crazy obsession with Orlesians!Sabariel wrote...
I like to delude myself into thinking that
Anora and Erlina have a little thing going on which is the reason for no
littluns. That's just me though...
You wouldn't happen to have read any Joe Abercrombie, would you...
kylecouch wrote...
Whatever the reason it seems like Bioware did this on purpose so they can have a War of Succsession later on in DA-verse. Might even be a problem that will need to be fixed later on in order to fight a greater threat (I sense a pattern here in this case.)
That's a pretty big "just." The end of the Calenhad line is a big deal. It was the legend of Calenhad that inspired the rebellion against Orlais and is one of the cornerstones of national identity. Without that to put someone on top of the pecking order for succession, you are going to have a fight among the second tier candidates.Wulfram wrote...
Aside from potentially making an interesting plot, there's no reason a lack of kids should cause too much of a crisis. Just get the landsmeet to agree on the next heir before Anora/Alistair pop their clogs.
Addai67 wrote...
That's a pretty big "just." The end of the Calenhad line is a big deal. It was the legend of Calenhad that inspired the rebellion against Orlais and is one of the cornerstones of national identity. Without that to put someone on top of the pecking order for succession, you are going to have a fight among the second tier candidates.Wulfram wrote...
Aside from potentially making an interesting plot, there's no reason a lack of kids should cause too much of a crisis. Just get the landsmeet to agree on the next heir before Anora/Alistair pop their clogs.
Addai67 wrote...
That's a pretty big "just." The end of the Calenhad line is a big deal. It was the legend of Calenhad that inspired the rebellion against Orlais and is one of the cornerstones of national identity. Without that to put someone on top of the pecking order for succession, you are going to have a fight among the second tier candidates.Wulfram wrote...
Aside from potentially making an interesting plot, there's no reason a lack of kids should cause too much of a crisis. Just get the landsmeet to agree on the next heir before Anora/Alistair pop their clogs.
Wulfram wrote...
Reika, doesn't Morrigan promise that Alistair's child won't be used to mess with Ferelden politics? Assuming of course he's the father, which he frequently won't be.
Bruddajakka wrote...
I always chalked it up to being something on the Guerrin side of the family. Rowan only had the one child, and Eamon only has had the one as well despite being married to Isolde forever, and she acts like a mother who's finally had one after a long period of not having any luck.
I was just saying that it is not going to be as simple as all that. There will likely be a succession fight, assuming Alistair or Anora has no natural heir.Wulfram wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
That's a pretty big "just." The end of the Calenhad line is a big deal. It was the legend of Calenhad that inspired the rebellion against Orlais and is one of the cornerstones of national identity. Without that to put someone on top of the pecking order for succession, you are going to have a fight among the second tier candidates.Wulfram wrote...
Aside from potentially making an interesting plot, there's no reason a lack of kids should cause too much of a crisis. Just get the landsmeet to agree on the next heir before Anora/Alistair pop their clogs.
Well, if Alistair's out of the picture then the Calenhad line has already ended.
There are potential problems, but an astute politician - like Anora, or potentially the Warden - who knows that this issue is coming up should be able to navigate them. As long as they're not too wacky in their choice of heir, anyway.
In the near future the way seems pretty clear for Eamon or Taegan to take the throne, though of course in 30 years time other candidates will likely have presented themselves
Reika, doesn't Morrigan promise that Alistair's child won't be used to mess with Ferelden politics? Assuming of course he's the father, which he frequently won't be.
Fertility seems pretty low all around. You don't hear about families with lots of kids. The Guerrins themselves are pretty prolific, with three siblings.Bruddajakka wrote...
I always chalked it up to being something on the Guerrin side of the family. Rowan only had the one child, and Eamon only has had the one as well despite being married to Isolde forever, and she acts like a mother who's finally had one after a long period of not having any luck.
Sure, but there's no saying that makes for a peaceful process- there's plenty of precedent for it not doing so.Wulfram wrote...
Even if there is a disputed succession, that's what the landsmeet is there for.
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Addai67 wrote...
Sure, but there's no saying that makes for a peaceful process- there's plenty of precedent for it not doing so.Wulfram wrote...
Even if there is a disputed succession, that's what the landsmeet is there for.
Sabariel wrote...
I like to delude myself into thinking that Anora and Erlina have a little thing going on which is the reason for no littluns. That's just me though...
But I think we are at that exception. The Calenhad line was a 400 year-dynasty which for Ferelden is basically all of its history as a unified nation. Eamon has his own reasons for championing the Calenhad line, but I don't think he's wrong when he says that without it, the teyrnirs will feel fracture tensions, to say nothing of the bannorn.maxernst wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
Sure, but there's no saying that makes for a peaceful process- there's plenty of precedent for it not doing so.Wulfram wrote...
Even if there is a disputed succession, that's what the landsmeet is there for.
Succession crises are a fact of life in this sort of political system. Having two or more sons, or only daughters could be just as bad as having no heirs. But conflicts over the succession usually resolve themselves fairly quickly, if not without bloodshed. The War of the Roses was the exception, not the rule.
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