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[KnightofPhoenix]

Wulfram wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think a main reason why Anora likes Cailan is because he is a moron and that she was the one ruling. Now if Alistair proves he is smart, and starts opposing her policies (which is bound to happen, they are different and he says when hardened that he won't let her do whatever she wants), then I don't see Anora teaching Alsitair to be a better opponent in her mind.

She says of hardened alistair in the post coronation conversation "Thankfully, he has surprised me with his willingness to learn the business of ruling.  Despite his questionable humour...  he may yet be a good King"

That doesn't really show that Anora would teach him herself, or that he and she won't clash vis a vis policy.
Not saying this should happen necessarily, but they are different and while they can complement each others strengths, they might also clash.

[Bruddajakka]

That's one of the things that always annoyed me about the Warden/Anora epilogue is that it assumes their going to clash over the throne. My Warden actually ended up marrying her because he was attracted to her.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Bruddajakka wrote...

That's one of the things that always annoyed me about the Warden/Anora epilogue is that it assumes their going to clash over the throne. My Warden actually ended up marrying her because he was attracted to her.

No, itdoesn't. It states the possibility of them clashing, just like the possibility of them collaborating and ushering in a Golden Age.

[TheRevanchist]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

That's one of the things that always annoyed me about the Warden/Anora epilogue is that it assumes their going to clash over the throne. My Warden actually ended up marrying her because he was attracted to her.

No, itdoesn't. It states the possibility of them clashing, just like the possibility of them collaborating and ushering in a Golden Age.

Speaking of which...what do you think the odds are of the Warden getting laid in that relationship? I would say about zero. If the Warden was actually a smart man that would seem pretty obvious.

[CalJones]

Not once she discovers the legendary warden stamina...

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Esbatty wrote...


Remember that Eamon was the closest thing Alistair had to an actual parent and yet he spent those formative years sleeping in the stables dodging icy glances from Isolde. Man Isolde is hot though... Eamon has good taste. Bad Parent and Husband as he knew nothing of Connor and Isolde's secret due to his politically fueled delusions of grandeur. But still his wife was smokin'... like Lothering during the Blight, baZing...

His wife ends up a smoking bloody heap, if I have my way.

But yes, Eamon does not give a flying **** about Alistair, that much is clear. Aside from the rather pathetic treatment of making the kid sleep in stables, then shipping him off to the Chantry because his stupid cow orlesian ho' bag doesn't want him around, it's quite clear to me that Eamon does not care about what Alistair wants, and treats him like a potentially useful embarressment.. I think Eamon is 75% why Alistair is as f-ed up as he is. As an Alistair fan, it's one of the big reasons I hate him.

But there are plenty of other reasons. He is a blockheaded conservative gentry **** who holds bloodlines, no matter how weak or impracticle, above common sense and efficiency. His rather condescending and contemtuous remarks about Anora not having a drop of royal blood, as if that is the only qualifier that matters, just shows he's a backwards thinking skeeze.

Eamon: Anora has no true noble blood, let alone royal blood! How can she rule without it? it's magical!

Warden: So in otherwords, Anora's lack of generations of inbreeding and associated genetic defects, plus her desire to rule and good track record doing so, disqualify her from the throne according to you? Right....if you're considered a powerful voice in the Landsmeet, no wonder Ferelden is a ****ed up ass-backwards ****e hole.

so, uh, anyone else think Cailan would plow some other field before coming home, the nights before bedding Anora, and was possibly shooting blanks 'cause he was spent from the wenching?

I think so, though I think when he's plowing other fields, he's still shooting blanks. Thank the Maker. That man should have been neutered at puberty.

[Ryzaki]

...Am I the only one who thinks they *both* might've been infertile? No?

[SpiderFan1217]

I think they would have said something if she wasn't able to have a child. I think the only reason her and Cailan didn't have one was because it was conviniant for the plot.

[Bruddajakka]

One thing I always wondered about is if the fact they were raised together had something to do with their lack of intimacy.

[TheRevanchist]

It might be...but then again it might not. Sometimes childhood sweethearts get freaky a lot later on.

[Wulfram]

Is there any evidence that Eamon is particularly conservative beyond his preference for inheritance by blood over inheritance by marriage? Aside from Loghain's insinuations, that is.

[Bruddajakka]

Yeah but I'm wondering if they might have seen each other as Brother/Sister more then Husband/Wife

[CalJones]

Skadi - you phrased that beautifully.

Someone really needs to make a kill Eamon mod.

[Addai]

Addai67 wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

And I'm still not convinced that the problems weren't on Cailen's mothers side of the family when it comes to the whole who is, or isn't fertile.

And yes I'm freaking aware of the fact that Isolde, and Eamon can have another child if Connor dies. It doesn't change the fact they only have the one, and they've apparently been married for over twenty years.

You're very adamant about this.

Loghain only had one child, too, as did his parents.  Does that make the Mac Tirs infertile?  It seems to be a Fereldan thing, and the Guerrins are ahead of that curve.

Not seeing it.

(husband)

But Loghain was gone for years before Anora's mom died, while Eamon from what we see in game is very much a home body until Allistiar takes the throne.   So its not a level comparison.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 novembre 2010 - 10:28 .

[Addai]

Addai67 wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...

And I'm still not convinced that the problems weren't on Cailen's mothers side of the family when it comes to the whole who is, or isn't fertile.

And yes I'm freaking aware of the fact that Isolde, and Eamon can have another child if Connor dies. It doesn't change the fact they only have the one, and they've apparently been married for over twenty years.

You're very adamant about this.

Loghain only had one child, too, as did his parents.  Does that make the Mac Tirs infertile?  It seems to be a Fereldan thing, and the Guerrins are ahead of that curve.

Not seeing it.

(husband)

I think its a game writing limitation thing.   The game writers can only make so many detailed characters without causing problems.   Its just easier and less work to have only one heir, then multiple children that you have to develope and write dialogue for.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 novembre 2010 - 10:44 .

[Addai]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

I think they would have said something if she wasn't able to have a child. I think the only reason her and Cailan didn't have one was because it was conviniant for the plot.

Would she really?  She wanted that throne more than a kid wants Christmas.  I think she would have said whatever she had to in order to get it.

Edit:  Oh dear, my husband and I posting on the same thread again... schizo time.  LOL

Re. the Mac Tir mojo, Loghain was together with his wife longer than Maric was with Rowan, so it's an exactly level comparison there.  Eamon had longer, 'tis true.  Yet after Connor dies he and Isolde have another child right away, which makes it seem like they kept to 1 heir on purpose.  Sure it's plot conventions etc. but this seems to be a pattern.

Modifié par Addai67, 11 novembre 2010 - 10:50 .

[TheRevanchist]

CalJones wrote...

Not once she discovers the legendary warden stamina...

aye...that Legendary Warden stamina...she would be hooked after just one time lmao.

[TheRevanchist]

Wulfram wrote...

Is there any evidence that Eamon is particularly conservative beyond his preference for inheritance by blood over inheritance by marriage? Aside from Loghain's insinuations, that is.

Honestly not really...but speculation is never a bad thing is it?

[TheLegendofWade]

I think Awakening shows that Anora and the Warden end up having a good relationship (if you make the proper dialogue choices).



Actually, I think the male Warden marrying Anora is one of the best epilogues in terms of potential sequels. Morgan's child now has a legitimate claim to the throne. If the Warden and Anora do have a child (or children), then there could be some clashing. Or, am I wrong? Does being prince-consort give you or your children claim to the throne?



I'd also like to know what a child birthed by a Warden would be like (in terms of Anora and the Warden, not Morrigan's child).

[TheRevanchist]

TheLegendofWade wrote...

I think Awakening shows that Anora and the Warden end up having a good relationship (if you make the proper dialogue choices).

Actually, I think the male Warden marrying Anora is one of the best epilogues in terms of potential sequels. Morgan's child now has a legitimate claim to the throne. If the Warden and Anora do have a child (or children), then there could be some clashing. Or, am I wrong? Does being prince-consort give you or your children claim to the throne?

I'd also like to know what a child birthed by a Warden would be like (in terms of Anora and the Warden, not Morrigan's child).

What dialogue choices would those be? O.o However this does mean there will always be a OGB from Morrigan. Because I married Anora and refused the DR, because I simply don't trust it and am willing to sacrifice my moral principles and spare Loghain rather then do that DR. As for claims, I am almost positive your children will have a claim due to the fact that Anora is their mother. You however I am not sure about because I am not totaly sure what type of power a Prince/King-Consort actually wields.

[HippeusOmega]

kylecouch wrote...

TheLegendofWade wrote...

I think Awakening shows that Anora and the Warden end up having a good relationship (if you make the proper dialogue choices).

Actually, I think the male Warden marrying Anora is one of the best epilogues in terms of potential sequels. Morgan's child now has a legitimate claim to the throne. If the Warden and Anora do have a child (or children), then there could be some clashing. Or, am I wrong? Does being prince-consort give you or your children claim to the throne?

I'd also like to know what a child birthed by a Warden would be like (in terms of Anora and the Warden, not Morrigan's child).

What dialogue choices would those be? O.o However this does mean there will always be a OGB from Morrigan. Because I married Anora and refused the DR, because I simply don't trust it and am willing to sacrifice my moral principles and spare Loghain rather then do that DR. As for claims, I am almost positive your children will have a claim due to the fact that Anora is their mother. You however I am not sure about because I am not totaly sure what type of power a Prince/King-Consort actually wields.

I did the King Consort file and its one of my best ones i've done aside from my Dwarf Noble i'm doing right now. Gonna redo my King file cause i screwed it up getting Lelina as a Mistress for me. But i would probably say in Anora's defense that the Warden aka new King of Fereraldn has enough to contend with being the Commander of the Wardens leaving Anora to run the court. So it was a win-win really. She can run the court, and me and Logain would serve as the General and Commander of Fereraldn's/Grey Warden forces. I chose basically to go with siding with Logain and his daugher just cause i think it would make the land more stronger.  Loghain only mentions about having children in Awakening cause i got the impression he was looking out for my Warden's best interest. It would probably be the best way for the Warden to get a little piece of power.  Alistair just pisses me off with his constant use of jokes at bad times i rarely use him anymore in my parties aside when i'm in Redcliffe. Rather use Shale or Oghren like i've done on my DN Playthrough i'm doing.  I don't know if i have it in my heart to do a Queen Consort file. Being married to Alistair sounds like punishment then a reward.

[Addai]

Panznerr wrote...

 I don't know if i have it in my heart to do a Queen Consort file. Being married to Alistair sounds like punishment then a reward.

Thousands of fangirls disagree.  Of course, I wouldn't have married my HNM to that harpy for 6 kingdoms let alone one, so I suppose it is a matter of perspective. 

[HippeusOmega]

Addai67 wrote...

Panznerr wrote...

 I don't know if i have it in my heart to do a Queen Consort file. Being married to Alistair sounds like punishment then a reward.

Thousands of fangirls disagree.  Of course, I wouldn't have married my HNM to that harpy for 6 kingdoms let alone one, so I suppose it is a matter of perspective. 

What is it about Alistair that u girls find so attractive? It boggles my mind.

[Giggles_Manically]

What about Anora gets some guys excited?

While she is a decent politician, she is so cold that she can kill the mood from the other side of Denerim it seems.

[HippeusOmega]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

What about Anora gets some guys excited?
While she is a decent politician, she is so cold that she can kill the mood from the other side of Denerim it seems.

good point but to quote her father she makes a worthy adversary.