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[MKDAWUSS]

kylecouch wrote...

More relating to the topic. Whatever the case might be in this fertility situation. It seems Bioware has future plans for the Throne of Ferelden.

The monarchs die heirless.

[TheRevanchist]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

More relating to the topic. Whatever the case might be in this fertility situation. It seems Bioware has future plans for the Throne of Ferelden.

The monarchs die heirless.

Indeed...kind of wondering why they even bothered giving us that choice to begin with in that case. I make Alistair King because I want Theirin blood on the throne as long as humanly possible. But alas it seems I can only have it for another 30 years.

[MKDAWUSS]

kylecouch wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

More relating to the topic. Whatever the case might be in this fertility situation. It seems Bioware has future plans for the Throne of Ferelden.

The monarchs die heirless.

Indeed...kind of wondering why they even bothered giving us that choice to begin with in that case. I make Alistair King because I want Theirin blood on the throne as long as humanly possible. But alas it seems I can only have it for another 30 years.

Because they wanted you to feel like you were making an impact on the game world. If you look deep into the story and especially the outcomes of all choices, you'll see that there's a hidden canon storyline in Origins.

[TheRevanchist]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

More relating to the topic. Whatever the case might be in this fertility situation. It seems Bioware has future plans for the Throne of Ferelden.

The monarchs die heirless.

Indeed...kind of wondering why they even bothered giving us that choice to begin with in that case. I make Alistair King because I want Theirin blood on the throne as long as humanly possible. But alas it seems I can only have it for another 30 years.

Because they wanted you to feel like you were making an impact on the game world. If you look deep into the story and especially the outcomes of all choices, you'll see that there's a hidden canon storyline in Origins.

Well of course thats the same for all games regardless of choices because in the end developers will always make the story they want to make. Fallout is the best example...you get lots of choices that never matter because they always establish a list of cannon choices after every game regardless.

[Ulicus]

Yeah, honestly... I think BioWare have set it up so no matter who is on the throne, they're not going to be having a natural child, and both Alistair/Anora/Cousland-Consort/Whoever will eventually be replaced by the same monarch. Whoever that is. *shrug*

Fergus. Lulz.

kylecouch wrote...


Well of course thats the same for all games regardless of choices because in the end developers will   always make the story they want to make. Fallout is the best  example...you get lots of choices that never matter because they always  establish a list of cannon choices after every game regardless.

Heh. If you think about it, you have that backwards. If a sequel establishes a canon, then your choices DID matter -- even if they're not followed up on -- because otherwise they wouldn't have had to establish a canon.

If all your choices from the first game are taken into account, however, then they can't matter overmuch....

Modifié par Ulicus, 17 décembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[TheRevanchist]

Ulicus wrote...

Yeah, honestly... I think BioWare have set it up so no matter who is on the throne, they're not going to be having a natural child, and both Alistair/Anora/Cousland-Consort/Whoever will eventually be replaced by the same monarch. Whoever that is. *shrug*

Fergus. Lulz.

kylecouch wrote...


Well of course thats the same for all games regardless of choices because in the end developers will   always make the story they want to make. Fallout is the best  example...you get lots of choices that never matter because they always  establish a list of cannon choices after every game regardless.

Heh. If you think about it, you have that backwards. If a sequel establishes a canon, then your choices DID matter -- even if they're not followed up on -- because otherwise they wouldn't have had to establish a canon.

If all your choices from the first game are taken into account, however, then they can't matter overmuch....

Well sure from that perspective but regardless I'm sure you understood the point I was making. As for the subject matter it seems rather pointless even making the choice, if the long term outcome is the same what was the point other then make the player feel like they did something important?

[TheRevanchist]

The fact remains however that no matter what DA2 will probably not touch on this choice at all. If it don't then if theres no heir by the end of that game then another Civil War is probably unavoidable for Ferelden....seems like a rather lame pattern is begining to surface here.

[Addai]

kylecouch wrote...

The fact remains however that no matter what DA2 will probably not touch on this choice at all. If it don't then if theres no heir by the end of that game then another Civil War is probably unavoidable for Ferelden....seems like a rather lame pattern is begining to surface here.

(husband)

Probably but it doesn't have to be that way.   If they wanted to they could make Dragon Age 3 or 4, for instance they could design around "the royal heir apparent".   Wether that character is male or female, a child of Allistair, Anora, the Cousland, would be up to game imports or a character generator.   That would allow a coherent plot but player choice and not make it overly complicated as far as game design.

Modifié par Addai67, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:31 .

[TheRevanchist]

Addai67 wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The fact remains however that no matter what DA2 will probably not touch on this choice at all. If it don't then if theres no heir by the end of that game then another Civil War is probably unavoidable for Ferelden....seems like a rather lame pattern is begining to surface here.

(husband)

Probably but it doesn't have to be that way.   If they wanted to they could make Dragon Age 3 or 4, for instance they could design around "the royal heir apparent".   Wether that character is male or female, a child of Allistair, Anora, the Cousland, would be up to game imports or a character generator.   That would allow a coherent plot but player choice and not make it overly complicated as far as game design.

Thats a very good point...not sure something like that would ever happen. Other then Fable 3 I don't see alot of games where your already "royalty" so to speak, though that would just be totaly amazeing in the DA verse if they did the King mechanics from Fable into DA. However they would definantly be an improvement over a simple repeat plot point. Because I like to fantasize that Anora is seceretly a closet perv and will rape Alistair/Cousland when their alone and also likes to read dirty books...for example... http://aimo.devianta...set=24#/d337zru 

Modifié par kylecouch, 25 décembre 2010 - 02:57 .

[HighMoon]

Who wrote Anora?

[TheRevanchist]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Who wrote Anora?

Thats a very good question...

[Addai]

Golden-Rose wrote...

Who wrote Anora?

(husband)

I think both of the main writers had a hand based on her enttry atdragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Queen_Anora

 
Writer Sheryl Chee has said that when going out for a drink Anora would, "skip the beer and go straight to tequila shots."[4]
Writer David Gaider said that, "the most important thing to know about Anora is that she is her father's daughter."[5]

Modifié par Addai67, 26 décembre 2010 - 06:44 .

[Dave of Canada]

Hmm... Couldn't the god child (regular child if slept with Morri and refused DR) of Morrigan be considered an heir to the throne in the King Alistair and King Cousland playthroughs?

[Addai]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hmm... Couldn't the god child (regular child if slept with Morri and refused DR) of Morrigan be considered an heir to the throne in the King Alistair and King Cousland playthroughs?

(husband)

Yes but I think the potential for the kid being a mage or worse is pretty high.

[TheRevanchist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hmm... Couldn't the god child (regular child if slept with Morri and refused DR) of Morrigan be considered an heir to the throne in the King Alistair and King Cousland playthroughs?

Yes but Morrigan has said theres almost no chance of that happening...besides they can't base a game off of that...not canon remember?

[TheRevanchist]

But there is one thing to consider in this argument...That is IF...and this is a very big IF...that Fiona's child is in fact NOT Alistair...because that IS a possibility regardless of how likely it seems.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

The possibility of another Therin bastard? Quite likely, as I I see the issue of Alistair's mother an only 50/50 certainty.



Of course, even the writers might not have fully decided, and will leave that open in case it comes in handy for future plots.

[jpdipity]

Therin blood is not going to run out. Per Gaider, there are cousins who could rise to claim the throne.
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Modifié par jpdipity, 03 janvier 2011 - 05:58 .

[Addai]

jpdipity wrote...

Therin blood is not going to run out. Per Gaider, there are cousins who could rise to claim the throne.
forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html

(husband)

I find myself a little skeptical.   If Alistair is easily contested them how much would a 1st or 2nd cousin? And that goes doubly if they don't have Theirin as their surname.


And what about fraud?   It might be tempting, especially if you are a rogue to change your name to Theirin and maybe forge some documents that show your family tree.

[Eber]

Anora should ask Morrigan for some pointers. Pherhaps visit the Wonders of Thedas together.

[EmperorSahlertz]

kylecouch wrote...

The fact remains however that no matter what DA2 will probably not touch on this choice at all. If it don't then if theres no heir by the end of that game then another Civil War is probably unavoidable for Ferelden....seems like a rather lame pattern is begining to surface here.

DA2 is probably going to touch on the subject. I say this because the same actor who voiced Alistair has been hired to do some voicework for DA2, and I doubt BioWare is going to use him for another character, since they want to avoid "character confusion".

[Corker]

Addai67 wrote...

(husband)

And what about fraud?   It might be tempting, especially if you are a rogue to change your name to Theirin and maybe forge some documents that show your family tree.

It's been tried IRL; Lambert Simnell and Perkin Warbeck were both (probably) frauds put forth as British royalty, either on their own initiative (Warbeck) or as another's pawn (Simnell).

Warms me heart to see that little Simnell was pardoned and given a job as a spit-turner in the royal kitchens rather than executed.  And in defiance of all narrative casuality, he grew up to be a falconer and then died, never once rearising from obscurity to challenge the king and make him wish he'd taken care of the threat when he had the chance.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

Addai67 wrote...

(husband)

I find myself a little skeptical.   If Alistair is easily contested them how much would a 1st or 2nd cousin? And that goes doubly if they don't have Theirin as their surname.


And what about fraud?   It might be tempting, especially if you are a rogue to change your name to Theirin and maybe forge some documents that show your family tree.

It's definitely a shaky premise for the future of the Throne, though such things have been successfully pulled off before. It's a matter of finding the right Banns, Arls, and Teyrns to support such an individual. And of course, a good publicity agent to sell said usurper as totally legit and desirable.

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

The fact remains however that no matter what DA2 will probably not touch on this choice at all. If it don't then if theres no heir by the end of that game then another Civil War is probably unavoidable for Ferelden....seems like a rather lame pattern is begining to surface here.

DA2 is probably going to touch on the subject. I say this because the same actor who voiced Alistair has been hired to do some voicework for DA2, and I doubt BioWare is going to use him for another character, since they want to avoid "character confusion".

It could be a matter of Alistair making a cameo if he decided to leave in protest to Loghain being made a Warden, instead of touching on the rulers of Ferelden. Considering how far the Free Marches are from Ferelden, and that it only spans ten years, I'd wonder if they would deal with the issue of an heir, since there are a few possibilities on who can sit on the throne.

Addai67 wrote...

jpdipity wrote...

Therin blood is not going to run out. Per Gaider, there are cousins who could rise to claim the throne.
forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html

(husband)

I find myself a little skeptical. If Alistair is easily contested them how much would a 1st or 2nd cousin? And that goes doubly if they don't have Theirin as their surname.


And what about fraud? It might be tempting, especially if you are a rogue to change your name to Theirin and maybe forge some documents that show your family tree.

I suppose that the Couslands might be the most likely canidate for the throne if there isn't an heir. The only known descendants of Calenhad that are well known are the Drydens, but their reputation might still be smeared because of what happened at Warden's Keep.

Ryzaki wrote...

Actually isn't it extremely difficult for one warden to have a child? So an Alistair/Anora isn't very likely anyways.

Morrigan can get pregnant by the Warden with or without the Dark Ritual, so Anora and Alistair having a child isn't outside the realm of possibility. It's entirely possible that Cailan wasn't capable of having children, as others have mentioned in this thread, since Anora mentioned that he had "his women" and he didn't have any evident children with any of them.