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[Mordaedil]

Sooo... It was exactly the way I saw it would be a few months ago and this would change my mind how, about the game?



I understand trying to widen the gap for your fanbase, guys, but you're alienating a bit of us as well.



So the story is good. Yeah, pretty much what I'd expect. Gameplay is fun. Is it fun? How will I know? These videos make it seem hack and slashy, which I can get from Darksiders. What new is there on the table?

[NKKKK]

Man, March cannot come soon enough. Luckily Ill have Fallout and Fable to keep me company.

[Sylvius the Mad]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

A simple solution would be to show off the PC version in regular gameplay (not varrick's wet dream) with a full party. I share your concerns though.

A full party, pause-and-play, and a high tactical camera.

One of the problems with these videos, I think, is that they don't resemble at all the DAO we played because we played DAO very differently.

It's possible that any combat  video that doesn't feature pausing will look fast to me.  It's possible that any combat video that doesn't use a high camera at least some of the time will look chaotic to me.

There's a reason I use these features when I play, and those reasons are still there when I see gameplay videos.

I pull out the camera at the start of almost every battle as a sort of establishing shot.  It gives me a quick look at the terrain and the disposition of enemy forces, and from there I can make decisions.  I do often bring the camera back in for the actual fight because the lower camera (in DAO) had a much greater viewing distance (this is why I think the high camera should have been allowed to roam more).

[David Gaider]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
A simple solution would be to show off the PC version in regular gameplay (not varrick's wet dream) with a full party. I share your concerns though.

I agree. That said, we can't just spit one out because of a leaked video. Whatever we put out still has to be something that does the trick without being slapped together-- no point in that, either.

[Koffeegirl]

I'm sure that enemies will take a while to kill. the original video that was up was the exaggerated version so of course Hawke would be superfast and kill enemies in one hit. It wouldn't be much of an exaggerated version if it took Hawke several minutes to walk over, slowly pull out his sword, and then take 5 hits to kill one enemy. Where would the exaggeration fun be in that? I didn't see the non-exaggerated gameplay but I suspect that there it will make more sense to pause and play and issue orders to you party. I am sure it will also be much harder to kill enemies. As for the speed, I think there will just be no more shuffling and I think that will be a huge improvement. Especially if you are using a warrior to say defend your healing mage. But we will have to wait and see. I am sure we will get gameplay video in the weeks to come.


Edit: As for exaggeration combat do you think there will be any ridiculous scenes? Like where the Darkspawn cower just from the appearance of Hawke's beard? I can see Varric saying something like this and then being interrupted.

Modifié par Koffeegirl, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:15 .

[tool_bot]

DMC12 wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

There you have it folks, no combos, now stop it with the Dynasty Warriors comparison

...

Since when did people compare it to Dynasty Warriors?

Since they began associating fast combat with hack and slash? I dunno.

Really, combat doesn't have to be slow to be suitable for an RPG.

True.

But it also doesn't have to be over the topic to capture a feeling of epicness, does it?

[Brockololly]

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Do you think you'll be able to polish up the "skating" look of the closing attacks? Like I said I have no quams at all with combat feeling more responsive, yet at the same time I would prolly hate the game if combat turned into some combination of DA + Ninja Gaiden. I suppose there's a fine line there somewhere.

I know that they're playing with the timing of the attacks a lot (that's Seb's job, I believe). I can't really comment on the individual animations, myself-- nor on the Ninja Gaiden comparison, as I've never played it-- but I imagine the allowed range of the closing attack is bound to go through changes between now and release.

I have the same concern as Sarah- maybe its just a nitpick, but the whole dash just seems like the Origins shuffle sped up. I mean, its looks like teleporting. I have no problem with the concept of a dash, it just doesn't look like its Hawke charging through the enemies, actually sprinting, but some sort of God of War/Devil May Cry/Ninja Gaiden combo move.

I guess thats my issue- the combat animations make it visually look like one of the hack and slash games I just mentioned, even if under the hood its pretty much still DAO. But the end result looks awkward to me as there doesn't seem to be much transition between the end of one combat attack and the start of the next, so it all seems very start and stop, herky jerky and not very fluid.

Edit:

JohnEpler wrote...
And I can certainly understand your concern! I myself am absolutely terrible at those  heavily actiony games - I never even managed to beat the first boss in  Devil May Cry 4, nor could I make it past the standard ninjas in Ninja  Gaiden. The thing is, DA2 still feels like DA:O. It's a little faster,  certainly, but when I got to play it recently, it felt like a more  responsive DA:O with a few things tweaked.

Is everyone going to  love it? No, of course not - the nature of any endeavour of this sort is that you'll have people who are happy with it and people who are  unhappy with it. However, I would in no way compare it to DMC or  similar.

Take that as you will - I'm a developer and undoubtedly  biased! But I think a lot of your concerns, while valid, will be  allayed.

I guess we all just have to take your guys' word until more in depth gameplay is released or we get to play it ourselves. Like I said above, its just that DA2 subjectively looks an awful lot like DMC or those sort of hack and slash action games even if the truth is it still plays like Origins. I mean you look around other forums on the net and see people commenting on the gameplay and for better or worse the one unifying theme is that the gameplay looks like a Dynasty Warriors/DMC style hack and slash, not Origins- and thats causing some people to go "WTF!?" and others to go "Huzzah!"

But thanks John- out of curiosity, do you play on the PC or console more? I'm mostly wondering about the PC gameplay if you haven't gathered that:wizard:

Modifié par Brockololly, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:25 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

A simple solution would be to show off the PC version in regular gameplay (not varrick's wet dream) with a full party. I share your concerns though.

A full party, pause-and-play, and a high tactical camera.

One of the problems with these videos, I think, is that they don't resemble at all the DAO we played because we played DAO very differently.

It's possible that any combat  video that doesn't feature pausing will look fast to me.  It's possible that any combat video that doesn't use a high camera at least some of the time will look chaotic to me.

There's a reason I use these features when I play, and those reasons are still there when I see gameplay videos.

I pull out the camera at the start of almost every battle as a sort of establishing shot.  It gives me a quick look at the terrain and the disposition of enemy forces, and from there I can make decisions.  I do often bring the camera back in for the actual fight because the lower camera (in DAO) had a much greater viewing distance (this is why I think the high camera should have been allowed to roam more).

Bingo, I do the same thing, granted considering this is the 360 version its hard to judge how the PC version will differ. (god I hope it differ please please make it so) I would hope we still at least get some option of a tactical pull back in regards to camera options to survey the whole field, along with pause and play being still a viable option and have it not feel oddly paced due to the increased speeds.

[Dr. wonderful]

David Gaider wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...
Well Bioware...You guys are on some SEVERE Damage control...

Meh. I've seen threads full of outrage that drove it to 300 pages overnight. This isn't one of those. That said, there's a lot of Really Concerned People-- so some of us will come here on our own time and see what we can do to hold some hands and make soothing noises. Because that's the kind of people we are.

That and Now I want to play it MOAR.

Careful, champ. There's still months and months until release.

I know...That why I'm happy.
I can get Fallout New vegas this month and then wait till November for Assassin creed: Brotherhood then On my BirthMonth and Get Mass effect 2 and Wait till March.

Damn,  I got it good.

[tool_bot]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I know...That why I'm happy.
I can get Fallout New vegas this month and then wait till November for Assassin creed: Brotherhood then On my BirthMonth and Get Mass effect 2 and Wait till March.

Damn,  I got it good.

If nothing else, I'm glad someone does.

[Dr. wonderful]

NKKKK wrote...

Man, March cannot come soon enough. Luckily Ill have Fallout and Fable to keep me company.

Fable! Crap I'll forgot about...wait...when is it coming out for the PC?

[Fexelea]

So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

[Dr. wonderful]

tool_bot wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I know...That why I'm happy.
I can get Fallout New vegas this month and then wait till November for Assassin creed: Brotherhood then On my BirthMonth and Get Mass effect 2 and Wait till March.

Damn,  I got it good.

If nothing else, I'm glad someone does.

What's the Matter Botty?

[ErichHartmann]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Man, March cannot come soon enough. Luckily Ill have Fallout and Fable to keep me company.

Fable! Crap I'll forgot about...wait...when is it coming out for the PC?

Pushed to next year or whenever.  Don't have a new release date yet for the PC version. 

[John Epler]

Let's bring this back towards DA2, folks - much as I love talking about new releases, this is the DA2 forum and we have to stay tangentially related to that topic.

[Faz432]

Just going to post some screens and my opinions about each



Really like the detail going into the armor design shown here, clasps, buckles, straps, pouches all a real improvement from DA:O for me.



Again liking the detail of the clothing and armor, hairstyles are good. Fem hawke looks a little too fresh faced while her sister looks...er...masculine.



I Don't like the blue splash wave coming off the attack, it might be a special move but I don't like these type of effects.



Another attack splash wave, I hope there's an option to turn these off.



As well as these large floating health bars.

Modifié par Faz432, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:19 .

[David Gaider]

Fexelea wrote...
So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

Probably still back in those DAO threads where they complained about the same thing.

[Dr. wonderful]

Fexelea wrote...

So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

Maybe...Better stay away from My Fedora.

Also Dragon Quest series is amazing.

...

Just saying.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
A simple solution would be to show off the PC version in regular gameplay (not varrick's wet dream) with a full party. I share your concerns though.

I agree. That said, we can't just spit one out because of a leaked video. Whatever we put out still has to be something that does the trick without being slapped together-- no point in that, either.

Oh trust me I completely understand, plus having to go through PR and marketing and everything that goes along with that.

Brockololly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...
Do
you think you'll be able to polish up the "skating" look of the closing
attacks? Like I said I have no quams at all with combat feeling more
responsive, yet at the same time I would prolly hate the game if combat
turned into some combination of DA + Ninja Gaiden. I suppose there's a
fine line there somewhere.

I know that they're playing
with the timing of the attacks a lot (that's Seb's job, I believe). I
can't really comment on the individual animations, myself-- nor on the
Ninja Gaiden comparison, as I've never played it-- but I imagine the
allowed range of the closing attack is bound to go through changes
between now and release.

I have the same concern as
Sarah- maybe its just a nitpick, but the whole dash just seems like the
Origins shuffle sped up. I mean, its looks like teleporting. I have no
problem with the concept of a dash, it just doesn't look like its Hawke
charging through the enemies, actually sprinting, but some sort of God
of War/Devil May Cry/Ninja Gaiden combo move.

I guess thats my
issue- the combat animations make it visually look like one of the hack
and slash games I just mentioned, even if under the hood its pretty much
still DAO. But the end result looks awkward to me as there doesn't seem
to be much transition between the end of one combat attack and the
start of the next, so it all seems very start and stop, herky jerky and
not very fluid.

Yeah thats what I was trying to get at, the Dash essentially to me looks like its just a sped up teleport and didn't look much better than what DAO is in regards to closing on an enemy, which gives it somewhat of a DMC/NG vibe to it. Not quite as fluid as I would like.

[Dr. wonderful]

David Gaider wrote...

Fexelea wrote...
So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

Probably still back in those DAO threads where they complained about the same thing.

You know?

I'm going to go check.

[Fexelea]

David Gaider wrote...

Fexelea wrote...
So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

Probably still back in those DAO threads where they complained about the same thing.

I missed those threads. But I saw plenty on how Dragon Age was so infinitely superior to any jrpg because it didn't have giant swords in them... Some of them are still there in the off-topic forum, not so many pages back.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Fexelea wrote...

So... where are the "Jrpgs suck because of unrealistic, giant swords" folk at now? Eating their hats?

I still love you Fexy even if you do like JRPG's   To each their own.

[PARAGON87]

Aww... YouTube clip taken down?  Fricking copyrights and media lockdowns! 

Oh well, he's to an official gameplay vid. 

[Nerevar-as]

David Gaider wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...
Well Bioware...You guys are on some SEVERE Damage control...

Meh. I've seen threads full of outrage that drove it to 300 pages overnight. This isn't one of those. That said, there's a lot of Really Concerned People-- so some of us will come here on our own time and see what we can do to hold some hands and make soothing noises. Because that's the kind of people we are.

Really? Wow. Serious Bussiness indeed...

[Lomopingseph]

I love the huge sword. It's pretty beast.