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Monica83 wrote...

The problem with animations its: They are too much faster and total out of tone.. I can accept style but personally i dont like the japanese style of anims..I loved DAO because have his IDENTITY.. Tis sad to see that cutted off only for the pleasure of casual gamer.. DAO was a wawe of resh air on rpg because when all others follows the new Fashion style of rpg DAO stays original.. Now with dragon age 2 with dialog wheel paraphrase system and manga trash animation we have lose the identity of this wonderfull world to play... Its a clone of something else... Put some mass effect.. Put some dinasty warrior... Its another new fashion rpg game whitout identity...
Sad but true..


i love stategy games and old rpgs but because i also enjoy over the top actions and fighting, does that make me casual gamer?

don't start labelling people according to their preferences:wizard:

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Some Geth wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

The problem with animations its: They are too much faster and total out of tone.. I can accept style but personally i dont like the japanese style of anims..I loved DAO because have his IDENTITY.. Tis sad to see that cutted off only for the pleasure of casual gamer.. DAO was a wawe of resh air on rpg because when all others follows the new Fashion style of rpg DAO stays original.. Now with dragon age 2 with dialog wheel paraphrase system and manga trash animation we have lose the identity of this wonderfull world to play... Its a clone of something else... Put some mass effect.. Put some dinasty warrior... Its another new fashion rpg game whitout identity...
Sad but true..

The hell:huh:.


They are saying that Dragon Age 2 is like Bejeweled with ME and Dynasty Warrior wallpapers while unlocking clothes for the Sims 3

I think

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MiyoKit wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MiyoKit wrote...

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MiyoKit wrote...

Gameplay just looks ridiculous... Oversized JRPG-esqe weapons, exploding enemies and silly little jumps.... Makes me a very sad panda indeed :(

Yes it needs to be like real life not fun at all<_<.


Realistic =/= real life :x


too much realism doesn't equal fun either :whistle:


True, but including very little makes for a terrible game, IMHO ofc. Just feels as though Bioware has gone too far towards the manga direction for my taste.

Cuz Berserk is so bad:?.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

The problem with animations its: They are too much faster and total out of tone.. I can accept style but personally i dont like the japanese style of anims..I loved DAO because have his IDENTITY.. Tis sad to see that cutted off only for the pleasure of casual gamer.. DAO was a wawe of resh air on rpg because when all others follows the new Fashion style of rpg DAO stays original.. Now with dragon age 2 with dialog wheel paraphrase system and manga trash animation we have lose the identity of this wonderfull world to play... Its a clone of something else... Put some mass effect.. Put some dinasty warrior... Its another new fashion rpg game whitout identity...
Sad but true..

The hell:huh:.


They are saying that Dragon Age 2 is like Bejeweled with ME and Dynasty Warrior wallpapers while unlocking clothes for the Sims 3

I think

Oh cool I think?

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But reality is such a subjective term


True, like, are we even real, or are we just figments of somethings imagination... *queue twilight zone music* :alien:

Modifié par MiyoKit, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:55 .


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**** that ****



Pabst



I mean Tetris > Bejeweled. Back in my day Puzzle games were for those who wanted to think, not for these casual brand minds. If I pick up Tetris it might say Touch Generation WTF, nay I say. Tetris is for badasses and people who worship the devil

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From what I've read on earlier dev posts on the Q & A threads, and on this one, the combat itself hasn't changed much from the original DAO. What we're seeing is a massive, knee-jerk overreaction to a bit of out-of-context video. The sort of fan hysteria we see when just about every RPG sequel is in development.


There is a very good reason why fans are hysterical, the genre is simply in danger. I'm gonna save you the whole dumbing down of the gaming industry rant, but Bioware has always been a quality house when it comes to RPGs. It seems that it's finally come to the point where even they cannot maintain this. It's just sad.

Bioware have said that you'll still issue combat orders in exactly the same way as DAO. Console users can still switch on auto-attacks in the radial menu, if they want. The only changes are largely cosmetic: combat animations are faster and your character's actions are more responsive once you've issued an order. That doesn't make it a real-time combat 'hack 'n slash' (not that there's anything actually wrong with a decent real-time combat RPG). That's probably a good thing considering how sluggish DAO was.


Ah you condider DAO "sluggish", that says more about you as a gamer then DAO. I consider DAO 's gameplay an improvement over say NWN(2), but keeping true to the spirit of strategic RPGs. It's a delicate balans, this blatant DA2 gameplay video crosses that line by a million miles. Defend it all you want, it doesn't take a genius to see they went into a completely different direction here.


Are you objecting to the cosmetic changes? Because from what I've heard that's pretty much all they are. The gameplay itself is largely unchanged, from what Bioware have stated. Cosmetic changes aren't evidence of 'dumbing down' if the core gameplay remains the same. It's simply a subjective matter-of-taste. Now people can and will rant about their own tastes as if everybody in the world should share them. But we don't, do we?

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to me the realism in dragon age doesn't come from the fighting or the size of weapons. i find it realistic because it adresses issues we also have in the real world, such as drugs/lyrium, slavery/elves, globalism vs isolationism / bhelen vs harrowmont and etc

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

**** that ****

Pabst

I mean Tetris > Bejeweled. Back in my day Puzzle games were for those who wanted to think, not for these casual brand minds. If I pick up Tetris it might say Touch Generation WTF, nay I say. Tetris is for badasses and people who worship the devil

Tetris DS is fun.

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MiyoKit wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

But reality is such a subjective term


True, like, are we even real, or are we just figments of somethings imagination... *queue twilight zone music* :alien:


It is a comforting thought to know that all that is happening in front of your screen is actually just happening in your mind, so however you are wired and how much brain damage you have suffered through the years has altered your perceptions to a certain tinge.

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shootist70 wrote...

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I don't have an issue with the fast paced combat as long as two hander animations are tuned down a little, that's way too fast for anyone, man or woman to handle a two handed sword, the swing may be effortless in real life, but actually the problem would be dealing with the weight after the swing not during it.

If anyone would like to get a history lesson then please feel free to read this article: http://www.thearma.o...ssays/2HGS.html

 


Your article states that two-handed swords weighed between 5-7 pounds and were expertly balanced. 5-7 poinds is nothing, especially if the weight is well balanced without the centre of gravity being excessively towards the tip. It means there won't be a lot of inertia to overcome in the swing recovery.

Not only that but as anybody who has practised a martial art for years knows, anything that you've practiced thousands of times over becomes committed to 'muscle memory' as the muscle groups used in that action become strengthened. Your body becomes 'tuned' to the weapon and its characteristics. I've no doubt at all that a strong, expert warrior could slash a 5-7 pound two handed sword around with very little effort.

Ok, the DA2 action in the vid is a little OTT, but it's actually a hell of a lot closer to being realistic than the goddawful two-hander animations from DAO.

EDIT: I agree about the silly weapon size, though.


I agree with you on the awful two-hander animations in Origins, too slow but I played two-hander a lot and actually enjoyed the feel of the weapons weight, now I know Hawke is a fine warrior, what I don't understand is how on earth would you do 3-4 swings in the matter of 3-4 seconds, you swing, hit your target, continue the swing till you control the momentum then swing again, the animations in Origins needed to be faster that's for sure, but not that fast, it feels as if you're carrying a feather really.

Also another observation about the model design, two handed swords aren't made to stab, so they shouldn't be thinner at the tip at all, DA designers seem to forget that the whole idea behind two-handers in DA2 is AOE, that means a consistent model, If the whole sword is made of the same material then the blade would be much heavier near the hilt than at the tip, making it even harder to balance the swing.

Yes I know, too much realism involved that needn't be there in the first place but my two cents are: animations are way too fast, and Two Handed swords aren't bulky butcher knives attached to each other.

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Some Geth wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

**** that ****

Pabst

I mean Tetris > Bejeweled. Back in my day Puzzle games were for those who wanted to think, not for these casual brand minds. If I pick up Tetris it might say Touch Generation WTF, nay I say. Tetris is for badasses and people who worship the devil

Tetris DS is fun.


:devil:

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

**** that ****

Pabst

I mean Tetris > Bejeweled. Back in my day Puzzle games were for those who wanted to think, not for these casual brand minds. If I pick up Tetris it might say Touch Generation WTF, nay I say. Tetris is for badasses and people who worship the devil

Tetris DS is fun.


:devil:

But Lumines is a bit better thanks to the music:devil:.

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I think this looks terrible. Image IPB

I never played the Devil May Cry, God of War games or dynasty warriors because I hate gameplay like this.

Devs have hown some vendetta against what they call "shuffle"

I think I want the shuffle back.

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Jeez, is this thread ever going to chill?

Its 4 in the morning. Get some sleep. :P

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Tiax Rules All wrote...

I think this looks terrible. Image IPB

I never played the Devil May Cry, God of War games or dynasty warriors because I hate gameplay like this.

Devs have hown some vendetta against what they call "shuffle"

I think I want the shuffle back.


Honestly the shuffle reminds me of the British during the French and Indian War.  While they would get into position the Natives would shoot them in the face.

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Zenjamin wrote...

Jeez, is this thread ever going to chill?
Its 4 in the morning. Get some sleep. :P

For you I have 6 AM here=].

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Zenjamin wrote...

Jeez, is this thread ever going to chill?
Its 4 in the morning. Get some sleep. :P


It may be 4 in the morning over there but its five over here... in the  morning

Sleep is for those too uncomfortable with what they perceive as their reality

Wade Boggs... was a left handed hitter....

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Zenjamin wrote...

Jeez, is this thread ever going to chill?
Its 4 in the morning. Get some sleep. :P


It's 1:04 PM here, so... hell NO! :P

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I am confused by the responses, like the fact that you have to press one button to attack instead of auto attack which is still availabe suddenly changes the genre of the game? So... an RPG is purely defined by it's combat?



Also whats with this whole casual are obviously inferior people with inferior taste? Despite the fact that I'm probably what you'd call hardcore (when I have time for it at least) and I fully support the majority of changes because the franchise is becoming far more defined rather than being pretty generic. It almost makes Rubbish appear like some sort of satirical god, when he/she writes with bad logic about how LotRO is the best game ever.



Meh, I just don't understand.



Also, Monica, I'm not sure how you can call manga trash.. it's an art form and it's recognised as an art form as much as comics are, (well perhaps less due to exposure) but regardless just because you might not like it doesn't make it trash.



Some people come across very close minded on here, which is a shame since I'd have thought a community for something like Dragon Age would be very open minded about things and very tolerant of each other's views/choices. Bah.

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I think this looks terrible. Image IPB

I never played the Devil May Cry, God of War games or dynasty warriors because I hate gameplay like this.

Devs have hown some vendetta against what they call "shuffle"

I think I want the shuffle back.


Honestly the shuffle reminds me of the British during the French and Indian War.  While they would get into position the Natives would shoot them in the face.


We built an empire on that. They didn't Image IPB

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Pzykozis wrote...

I am confused by the responses, like the fact that you have to press one button to attack instead of auto attack which is still availabe suddenly changes the genre of the game? So... an RPG is purely defined by it's combat?

Also whats with this whole casual are obviously inferior people with inferior taste? Despite the fact that I'm probably what you'd call hardcore (when I have time for it at least) and I fully support the majority of changes because the franchise is becoming far more defined rather than being pretty generic. It almost makes Rubbish appear like some sort of satirical god, when he/she writes with bad logic about how LotRO is the best game ever.

Meh, I just don't understand.

Also, Monica, I'm not sure how you can call manga trash.. it's an art form and it's recognised as an art form as much as comics are, (well perhaps less due to exposure) but regardless just because you might not like it doesn't make it trash.

Some people come across very close minded on here, which is a shame since I'd have thought a community for something like Dragon Age would be very open minded about things and very tolerant of each other's views/choices. Bah.

I don't get how anyone can call Manga bad it's just comics:wizard:.

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Pzykozis wrote...

Some people come across very close minded on here, which is a shame since I'd have thought a community for something like Dragon Age would be very open minded about things and very tolerant of each other's views/choices. Bah.


Agreed. As I said earlier - knee-jerk hysteria without taking the time to check the facts. Some of the folks around here are starting to make squealing Justin Bieber fans looks positively rational. Image IPB

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shootist70 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I think this looks terrible. Image IPB

I never played the Devil May Cry, God of War games or dynasty warriors because I hate gameplay like this.

Devs have hown some vendetta against what they call "shuffle"

I think I want the shuffle back.


Honestly the shuffle reminds me of the British during the French and Indian War.  While they would get into position the Natives would shoot them in the face.


We built an empire on that. They didn't Image IPB


You could even say that we built an empire on Rock, and, Roll

*ba-dum-dum-ching*

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Onyx Jaguar wrote...

shootist70 wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

I think this looks terrible. Image IPB

I never played the Devil May Cry, God of War games or dynasty warriors because I hate gameplay like this.

Devs have hown some vendetta against what they call "shuffle"

I think I want the shuffle back.


Honestly the shuffle reminds me of the British during the French and Indian War.  While they would get into position the Natives would shoot them in the face.


We built an empire on that. They didn't Image IPB


You could even say that we built an empire on Rock, and, Roll

*ba-dum-dum-ching*

:lol: