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[Dhanik]

And he decapitated him instead of stabbing him in the chest, would you view Duncan differently, either in a more posotive or negative light?

Just curious.

Modifié par Dhanik, 01 octobre 2010 - 07:58 .

[sickserb]

im still wondering how he didn't spill the the darkspawn blood in his other hand...

[TJPags]

Why on earth would he decapitate him?



First, hard to do when someone is waving a 2 handed sword in your face and you have a dagger. Second, IMO, beheading is for criminals - Jory wasn't a criminal, just someone who was freaking out about the joining.

[rak72]

I just played thatscene in my game again. Interestingly, he switched to a 1 handed sword.

[Monglor]

What annoyed me was that he killed him in the first place. If I'd been in Duncan's shoes I'd have pointed out the fact that, with one recruit already dead, his odds of surviving the joining were a lot higher than his odds of surviving his freaking out.

[TJPags]

Monglor wrote...

What annoyed me was that he killed him in the first place. If I'd been in Duncan's shoes I'd have pointed out the fact that, with one recruit already dead, his odds of surviving the joining were a lot higher than his odds of surviving his freaking out.

Surviving the Joining is not based on how many people there are.  It's unique to each person.

So, one dead doesn't mean he has a greater chance of living.

[Bahlgan]

Dhanik wrote...

And he decapitated him instead of stabbing him in the chest, would you view Duncan differently, either in a more posotive or negative light?

Just curious.

Jory may have been foolish to refuse his destiny, but decapitation is a cruel and malevolent way of finishing off someone who contains good alignment. Darkspawn and bandits deserve decapitation. That or anyone with a bad heart.

What annoyed me was that he killed him in the first place. If I'd been in Duncan's shoes I'd have pointed out the fact that, with one recruit already dead, his odds of surviving the joining were a lot higher than his odds of surviving his freaking out.

What is even MORE annoying is not knowing whether or not Jory actually WOULD have survived 

Modifié par Bahlgan, 28 septembre 2010 - 02:19 .

[CalJones]

Decapitation is pretty quick and clean if it's done in one go (the problem was that in medieval times, a lot of the time the axe wasn't sharp enough and it took the executioner several blows to remove the head. That's why Anne Boleyn, as her last request, asked for a French swordsman to be brought in to execute her). The main issue is that the corpse is no longer in one piece, which is a consideration if that person's loved ones see the body. It's rather more traumatic for them than for the person killed.

In respect to Jory, it's a rather daft question. Dead is dead. I'd agree it's annoying that we don't know if he'd have survived or not. However, he wouldn't have made a good warden - he was too idealistic and I don't think he'd be prepared to "do whatever it takes to end the Blight" as wardens are apt to do.

[Giggles_Manically]

Why does this topic almost sound like a cheesy summer film?

[CalJones]

When Harry Met Sally? Yes, I suppose it does. But with blood and darkspawn.

[mousestalker]

And now I have an image of Billy Crystal as Duncan. I hate you all soooo much!

Modifié par mousestalker, 28 septembre 2010 - 03:58 .

[yangthecat]

mousestalker wrote...

And now I have an image of Billy Crystal as Duncan.

And Meg Ryan as Jory?

[Damar Stiehl]

A decapitation would've been too flashy. Not quite fitting the gravity of the situation, especially underscored by Duncan's raspy "I am sorry."

[Tigress M]

sickserb wrote...
im still wondering how he didn't spill the the darkspawn blood in his other hand...

He actually sets the cup down, iirc.

rak72 wrote...
I just played thatscene in my game again. Interestingly, he switched to a 1 handed sword.

Even more interesting... I always strip J and D before the ritual because I'm hard up for gold at that point in the game and want to sell their stuff.  However, Jory still winds up with a sword and after that scene it's in my backpack!  

And to answer the OP's question... the stabbing was more intimate, imho.  Duncan wasn't executing Jory, but I have always wondered why Jory had to die -- I mean, it's not like people didn't know about the risk (Anora knew it when she was pleading for Loghain's life in the LM).  

Modifié par Tigress M, 28 septembre 2010 - 07:53 .

[CalJones]

I think some people are aware the joining is dangerous but not that it entails taining yourself with darkspawn blood. That kind of knowledge is not something the wardens would want circulated.

[saruman85]

Tigress M wrote...]
Even more interesting... I always strip J and D before the ritual because I'm hard up for gold at that point in the game and want to sell their stuff.  However, Jory still winds up with a sword and after that scene it's in my backpack!

LOL yeah I used to do that too, pre-patch 1.03 or whatever. The cutscene started and I'd be "crap, forgot to unequip his sword!" But I think you'll agree, seeing nude Jory hug Duncan all the time became disturbing, so I'm really glad that patch auto-equipped their equipment to our inventory.

[Tigress M]

CalJones wrote...
I think some people are aware the joining is dangerous but not that it entails taining yourself with darkspawn blood. That kind of knowledge is not something the wardens would want circulated.

That makes sense.  I hadn't thought of the implications of knowing exactly what the risks were and why.  Thanks!

saruman85 wrote...
LOL yeah I used to do that too, pre-patch 1.03 or whatever. The cutscene started and I'd be "crap, forgot to unequip his sword!" But I think you'll agree, seeing nude Jory hug Duncan all the time became disturbing, so I'm really glad that patch auto-equipped their equipment to our inventory.

It does?  ROFL!  I got that patch the day it came out and never knew that.  Does it work for the Tower if Ishal as well?

[saruman85]

Tigress M wrote...
It does?  ROFL!  I got that patch the day it came out and never knew that.  Does it work for the Tower if Ishal as well?

It's a bit weird...some equipment it does, and some it doesn't. I got most of the stuff from the Tower, but the Circle Mage's robes never came.

Also, I'd given Soris my DLC amulet, and switched armour sets with him before facing Vaughn. When I arrived at Ostagar, I got my DLC amulet back, but my poor City Elf was nude Duncan didn't even give her anything to wear all that way. Perv.

[Bahlgan]

Damar Stiehl wrote...

A decapitation would've been too flashy. Not quite fitting the gravity of the situation, especially underscored by Duncan's raspy "I am sorry."

That's one way to put it. Perhaps it is honorable to decapitate a samurai because the act is considered a vital compromise in their moral code in case of defeat beyond shame, but personally decapitations are marks of hatred delivered from one individual to another. Unless the removal of one's head in battle is done by accident, I consider it to be a form of great hostility, and Jory would not deserve such hostility from one as gracious as Duncan.

[Kernel Cinders]

How did Ser Jory win the tournament where Duncan recruited him to begin with? It was common knowledge that King Cailan was fighting Darkspawn, the Grey Wardens were small in number and looking for new members, and Duncan was the leader of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden and was actively recruiting people to bolster the ranks of the Grey Wardens for the Battle of Ostagar.



My guess is that Ser Jory was made the "sacrificial lamb" by the others in the tournament. How on earth was he a knight to begin with? It had to be a hereditary title. Jory wouldn't have lasted a week working as someone's squire.



As for sending Ser Jory's body back to his home to be buried, it was wartime and would have been tossed into the fire and burned like all the others if the Battle of Ostagar had been won. He was just another knight and wouldn't have received any special treatment, *especially* once King Cailan had found out what he had done during the ritual. King Cailan would have ordered Ser Jory's bodyparts to be fed to any captured Darkspawn as an "incentive" to get information on the location of the Archdemon.

[Evil Taco]

by pulling his sword, he became a traitor. Beheading's exactly what he deserved.

[Janni-in-VA]

Evil Taco wrote...

by pulling his sword, he became a traitor. Beheading's exactly what he deserved.

A traitor to whom?  The Wardens aren't part of the King's army.  Jory simply panicked.  I don't think he'd have survived anyway.  Survival seems to depend in some part on the recruit's willingness to accept the Taint as well as something in his/her physical make up.

Hmmmm, I thought you always got their armor and weapons.  I seem to remember getting them pre-1.03 without stripping them.  As for the Tower of Ishaal, if you equip the mage and the soldier with stuff from your inventory, it's lost when you're over-run at the end.  Don't ask me how I know this.  

Modifié par Janni-in-VA, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[fongiel24]

I wouldn't say Jory is a traitor, but he does qualify as a deserter, even if he doesn't seem to realize it himself. As far as I can tell, he was recruited, not conscripted so nobody stuck a blade to his throat to force him to follow Duncan. I was actually really shocked by his assumption that being a Warden was just a temporary thing and that after the Blight was over, he could return to his wife and continue on with his life. I thought it was pretty well known that being a Warden was a "for life" kind of deal, unless of course you become the "Hero of Ferelden" and have the political weight to keep the Wardens off your back.

[Kolikeos]

I got the feeling that jory would willingly die fighting on the front lines. I say let him, that way he would have taken a bunch of darkspawn with him and I wouldn't be hating duncan some much.

[Bahlgan]

Evil Taco wrote...

by pulling his sword, he became a traitor. Beheading's exactly what he deserved.

Quite honestly that is an extreme. People tend to lose their minds, often at the most unpredictable of times, but that doesn't mean they deserve the worst of fates delivered to them; that's just far off judgmental and unforgiving. Besides, he never was beheaded to begin with, thank the Maker!