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[Yrkoon]

Sabariel wrote...

Dog is found at Ostagar by a non-HN.

You are mistaken.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog

Once you have completed the quest, the Mabari War Hound can join you during a World Map encounter when travelling from Ostagar

A world map encounter....   There are some of those in Awakening, yes? 

But... you do have an army at that point. You update their armor for them and keep them happy by not executing the "deserter".And you already have a handful of Wardens: Oghren, Anders, and Mhairi (though at the time you don't know she's going to die, but you get three more Wardens shortly after). And though I like Dog and usually have him in my party, having a Mabari would not be considered THAT much of a help that Alinora would just bestow a prized Mabari on a stranger.

You meet Alistair/Queen Anora Before rebuilding your army and defense, and before the joining rituals, don't you.  And are you actually trying to argue that there's already too many companions?    Really?


Not that it matters.  This aspect of the discussion is beyond silly.    what does the addition of an army have to do with the King giving you a Mabari?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 03 octobre 2010 - 08:31 .

[ladydesire]

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Dog is found at Ostagar by a non-HN.

You are mistaken.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog

Once you have completed the quest, the Mabari War Hound can join you during a World Map encounter when travelling from Ostagar

A world map encounter....   There are some of those in Awakening, yes?

Actually, the encounter is optional, as it only happens if you take the Kennel Master's quest. Otherwise, you do not get Dog until you "Return to Ostagar". 

But... you do have an army at that point. You update their armor for them and keep them happy by not executing the "deserter".And you already have a handful of Wardens: Oghren, Anders, and Mhairi (though at the time you don't know she's going to die, but you get three more Wardens shortly after). And though I like Dog and usually have him in my party, having a Mabari would not be considered THAT much of a help that Alinora would just bestow a prized Mabari on a stranger.

You meet Alistair/Queen Anora Before rebuilding your army and defense, and before the joining rituals, don't you.  And are you actually trying to argue that there's already too many companions?    Really?


Not that it matters.  This aspect of the discussion is beyond silly.    what does the addition of an army have to do with the King giving you a Mabari?

Why would Alistair/Anora give away Dog if there was great need to rebuild the Ferelden Army's cadre of Warhounds?

[Yrkoon]

ladydesire wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Dog is found at Ostagar by a non-HN.

You are mistaken.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog

Once you have completed the quest, the Mabari War Hound can join you during a World Map encounter when travelling from Ostagar

A world map encounter....   There are some of those in Awakening, yes?

Actually, the encounter is optional,

So?  The fact that it exists is more than enough....

Why would Alistair/Anora give away Dog if there was great need to rebuild the Ferelden Army's cadre of Warhounds?

Because Amaranthine is an arling of Ferelden?  Because dog isn't theirs?

For that matter, why would the Warden consent to  leave HIS/HER dog in Denerim in the first place?

[TJPags]

Yrkoon wrote...
Because Amaranthine is an arling of Ferelden?  Because dog isn't theirs?

For that matter, why would the Warden consent to  leave HIS/HER dog in Denerim in the first place?

You know, if you're playing an Orlesian Warden, then the PC should be dead, no?  So, Dog's master is dead, where SHOULD his/her dog be?

[Sabariel]

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

Dog is found at Ostagar by a non-HN.

You are mistaken.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Dog

Once you have completed the quest, the Mabari War Hound can join you during a World Map encounter when travelling from Ostagar

A world map encounter....   There are some of those in Awakening, yes? 

But... you do have an army at that point. You update their armor for them and keep them happy by not executing the "deserter".And you already have a handful of Wardens: Oghren, Anders, and Mhairi (though at the time you don't know she's going to die, but you get three more Wardens shortly after). And though I like Dog and usually have him in my party, having a Mabari would not be considered THAT much of a help that Alinora would just bestow a prized Mabari on a stranger.

You meet Alistair/Queen Anora Before rebuilding your army and defense, and before the joining rituals, don't you.  And are you actually trying to argue that there's already too many companions?    Really?


Not that it matters.  This aspect of the discussion is beyond silly.    what does the addition of an army have to do with the King giving you a Mabari?

...No, I'm not mistaken. You first meet Dog at Ostagar. You have to help cure him in order to trigger the cutscene later on. If you don't help Dog the cutscene will not trigger.  Like I said, the story is not deep but it does exist.

And no, I'm not arguing there are too many companions. I'm arguing that you already have an army and a handful of (potential) Wardens to help you. Alinora wouldn't see the need to hand a Mabari over to a random stranger because you already have all the help you'd ever need.

Yrkoon wrote...

For that matter, why would the Warden consent to  leave HIS/HER dog in Denerim in the first place?

Because they put rebuilding the decimated population of Mabari above their own rather selfish need to have their dog at their side every single moment?

Modifié par Sabariel, 03 octobre 2010 - 11:06 .

[ladydesire]

Sabariel, I don't think they get it, and probably never will.

[Fexelea]

I don't see why it would be so weird to have Anora give the Orlesian Warden the dog. Alistair would be very aware of how good the dog is in battle, and it could be done as a demonstration of good faith towards the foreign warden. Anora, being the cunning biatch she is, would probably think it a "cheap" yet easy way to give you support without costing her in more men: this given the Fereldan love for dogs could actually be an important symbolic gesture.



I think the point is that it could have been done, and it wasn't... I didn't particularly care because (as nice as it was to have one companion that didn't scrutinize your every choice) I usually had to give his spot to a rogue to open my chests

[Sabariel]

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

[Fexelea]

Well to me the Mabari does make a big difference, and I think it could be a political move. The dog is a "hero" dog, so giving it to the Orlesian would be a demonstration of support and good faith. It wasn't uncommon to gift animals such as horses and dogs to important members of the court or neighbour kingdoms, so it would be acceptable.

[TJPags]

Fexelea wrote...

I think the point is that it could have been done, and it wasn't... I didn't particularly care because (as nice as it was to have one companion that didn't scrutinize your every choice) I usually had to give his spot to a rogue to open my chests

I'd have been very happy to use Dog instead of Oghren or Justice.

[Yrkoon]

Fexelea wrote...

I don't see why it would be so weird to have Anora give the Orlesian Warden the dog. Alistair would be very aware of how good the dog is in battle, and it could be done as a demonstration of good faith towards the foreign warden. Anora, being the cunning biatch she is, would probably think it a "cheap" yet easy way to give you support without costing her in more men: this given the Fereldan love for dogs could actually be an important symbolic gesture.

I think the point is that it could have been done, and it wasn't... I didn't particularly care because (as nice as it was to have one companion that didn't scrutinize your every choice) I usually had to give his spot to a rogue to open my chests

I agree.  But  apparently "we" don't get it  lol

[Yrkoon]

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you  to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 octobre 2010 - 12:57 .

[TJPags]

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you  to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

Second in line to the throne?  How so???

[ladydesire]

Yes.

[ladydesire]

TJPags wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger,
you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't
make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-
needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you
 to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point
in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most
celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

Second in line to the throne?  How so???

Good question; I would think that Arl Emmon and Bann Teagan would be first and second, followed by Teryn Fergus Cousland at third.

[Yrkoon]

TJPags wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you  to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

Second in line to the throne?  How so???

My bad, I was thinking of Tyrns, not Banns

Regardless, why would the king even come to greet the warden, and tell him that the Fate of Fereldan lies in his hads, but then decide that he's not worthy of a Hound from the denerim kennels?

[TJPags]

Yrkoon wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you  to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

Second in line to the throne?  How so???

My bad, I was thinking of Tyrns, not Banns

Regardless, why would the king even come to greet the warden, and tell him that the Fate of Fereldan lies in his hads, but then decide that he's not worthy of a Hound from the denerim kennels?

My question was more that, since you're an Orelsian (otherwise, if you're playing the PC, it's YOUR dog, and Anora/Alistair don't have to GIVE it to you) so you wouldn't be in line for the throne at ALL - you're not from Ferelden.

I don't think it would be so odd to gift the Orlesian Warden with a Mabari - maybe not THAT Marbari, but a dog?  Why not?

[Yrkoon]

ladydesire wrote...
Good question; I would think that Arl Emmon and Bann Teagan would be first and second, followed by Teryn Fergus Cousland at third.

No, the Teryn of Highever would be  next in  line for the throne.

http://dragonage.wik...istory#Highever

Today, Highever is one of only two remaining teyrnirs, making the Cousland family second in rank only to the king.

[Fexelea]

So I'm queen and next in line. Awesome!

[Sabariel]

Yrkoon wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

I don't think it weird. I think it not likely. You're a stranger, you have enough help without a Mabari, one Mabari wouldn't make much difference anyway, so why give away a much-needed dog?

Just a note, you're NOT a  stranger.  The king has  selected you  to RULE one of Fereldan's 3 remaining Arlings.    At this point in the game, you're second in line  to the Throne.

And you think it's unlikely that they'd give you Fereldan's most celebrated Dog as a token of support/help?  Really?

If you're an Orlesian, you're a stranger and there is no way in hell they'd let an Orlesian anywhere near the throne so I have no idea where you got that idea.

Which is needed more? New puppies or giving a prized dog to a strange Warden who might not even give two hoots about him? Mabari reverance is Fereldan thing.  The Orlesian "ruler" in the DA books was given a highly prized pair of Mabari as a gift and his reaction was basically "wtf?"  Better to up the Mabari population and leave Dog (or 'the dog' if we're talking a generic Mabari) where he is.

Not to mention the fact that the dog or Dog may not imprint to an Orlesian Warden. The reason Dog re-imprints to a non-HN Warden is because you save his life.

Modifié par Sabariel, 04 octobre 2010 - 02:23 .

[Yrkoon]

Sabariel wrote...

Which is needed more? New puppies or giving a prized dog to a strange Warden who might not even give two hoots about him?

  Option B, v.2.0.:  Giving a prized Mabari warrior to the Commander of the  Gray, who's in charge of defending Amaranthine, and all of Fereldan, like, right now.

If the Orlesian Warden doesn't want it, then he says:  Thanks but no thanks, King.

Real complicated and convoluted notion, I know. 

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 octobre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Sabariel]

And yet again we go back to why Alinora would just give a much-needed Mabari away. The Warden does not need help so desperately that they need a dog to help them out. The Mabari population, however, needs to keep its numbers up. If Alinora are as smart as they'd like to think they are they'd keep the dog and give the Orlesian Warden some golden GLORIOUS armor as a gift instead. The Orlesians seem to enjoy shiny things.

Modifié par Sabariel, 04 octobre 2010 - 09:13 .

[Elhanan]

Mabari choose who they wish to partner with on a long term basis; not the King, Queen, or some Warden Commander.

[ladydesire]

Sabariel wrote...

And yet again we go back to why Alinora would just give a
much-needed Mabari away. The Warden does not need help so
desperately that they need a dog to help them out. The
Mabari population, however, needs to keep its numbers up. If
Alinora are as smart as they'd like to think they are they'd
keep the dog and give the Orlesian Warden some golden
GLORIOUS armor as a gift instead. The Orlesians seem to
enjoy shiny things.

Ack; I had a nice post written up and my browser ate it. I'll try again later.

Modifié par ladydesire, 04 octobre 2010 - 10:51 .

[Yrkoon]

Sabariel wrote...

And yet again we go back to why Alinora would just give a much-needed Mabari away. The Warden does not need help so desperately that they need a dog to help them out. The Mabari population, however, needs to keep its numbers up. If Alinora are as smart as they'd like to think they are they'd keep the dog and give the Orlesian Warden some golden GLORIOUS armor as a gift instead. The Orlesians seem to enjoy shiny things.

The whole premise behind this discussion is beyond silly.    First off, we're talking about  Awakening,   a game that lets you continue your Warden's story even if he made the ultimate sacrifice...and DIED killing the Arch Demon.    Yet,   despite this most epic of  illogical, unbelievable     in game  realities, here we are, watching people tell us how   "unlikely" it would be to have  the Ruler of Fereldan give the Commander of the Gray Wardens a Mabari of his own at the start of  the game.   

By the way,     Just so we're on the same page here,  We're talking about the  same Ruler of Fereldan who decided to give an entire Arling to the wardens, yes?  Do you really think  Anora values  one mabari more than an entire Arling?


Incidently,  Both  Anora  and the Vigil's  Seneshal tell the Warden commander, in no uncertain terms, that the situation IS desperate, and that he DOES need all the help he can get, so.....

Modifié par Yrkoon, 04 octobre 2010 - 12:26 .