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[Unit-Alpha]

OP: Remember 2 things.

1: This is a game and none of this is real; all of the races are the same, just a bunch of binary coding. "Humans" just are more visually similar to humans in real life than the rest of the "races."

2: All characters, regardless of race, are voiced by humans. So you get the emotional inflections of a human, with just a different skin. Furthurmore, I imagine I wouldn't romance an alien race if they didn't speak in an Earth language.


Besides that, I romanced (mainly) Liara because she has a great personality, and she is closer to the people I date in real life. However, I also romanced Miranda and Ash on one playthrough each. I suppose I would say Liara is more visually appealing than the other alien species because she is the closest to human in terms of the base model.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:58 .

[bluewolv1970]

Kappa Neko wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Ashley Williams to me, was too much of a Zealot for the Alliance and her behavior at Horizon burned any bridge of my Shepard to hint at it, after all, she thought my Shepard was a terrorist and outright called him a traitor to his face.

I won't go through the rest --- as it has been beaten to death but out of all them, it seems that  Liara was the one who went through hell and damn nation for Shepard, took lumps, dealed with the Shadow Broker's B.S --- risked life and limb --- AND greeted you with kindness without going on and on and on about Cerberus's terrorism or being a traitor.

So you know, loyalty goes a long way in my book. She diserves Shepard's all.

So Ashley (and Kaidan) sucks because she critizes Shepard and has morals she stays faithful to? How dare she! Am I the only person in this forum who likes the Vermire survivors even MORE for being the only people who mind that Shepard's now working for this abominable organization called Cerberus?! If I were them I'd be pissed, too. Sure, they could have listened to what Sehp has to say. maybe should have had a little more faith in his/her reasons for working with Cerberus. But they didn't turn their backs completely. They said they want to get in touch again once Shepard has returned from his mission. Sounds fair to me.

Liara went through a lot for Shepard, that's true. But it irritated the hell out of me that she welcomed him/her with open arms like that. Never questioned Shep for a minute. Doesn't even mind if you've been sleeping around! Good faithful Liara is so in love with you that she's willing to put up with anything. That's quite a commitment for a short romance in ME1...

So women who don't look up to Shepard like he's an infallible god are bad?
I think I'll have brain surgery and become lesbian. If something goes wrong with the operation I'll probably end up as uncriticizing as Liara. So it's a win-win!

Shepard has EVERY right to tell Ash to f off after horizon because of the following:

1) she blames shepard for not contacting her the 2 years he was in a coma...how dare he "die" and not write...

2) she has the nerve to play the Cerberus is anti-alien card, when she is more of a xenophobe than either Miranda or jacob - hell she was willing to put a hole in wrex and made more xenophobic comments in ME than TIM, Miranda, and Jacob combined in ME2...

3) She makes the far fetched reach that Cerberus is behind the colony abductions rather than shepards claims that it was the collectors WORKING FOR THE REAPERS - so she thinks that a group (regardless of their methods, that exists solely to protect humans) is working with  an alien group (collectors) to abduct humans rather than the collectors working for the reapers, despite knowing the reapers are REAL...combine that with the fact that shepard has a good track record of making the right big picture decisions - and her outburst after he saves her is absurd - what is most telling is that ALL the aliens show shepard  support/trust/loyalty in ME2 LIara,Tali,Garrus,Wrex,Rachni Queen,Shiala,Consort, - yet  Ash tells him to screw off, after caklling him a traitorand a xenophobe...IMO not only is having a LI in ME2 NOT cheating on Ash, it is the healthiest thing Shepard can do is cut her loose permanently - if there is a VS dlc - I hope that is an option...

Modifié par bluewolv1970, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:14 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

Doesn't everybody want to be James T. Kirk for once? You can never have enough sexy aliens in the galaxy, thus I support sexy female turians. No damned dirty batarians however.

But things can be taken to far, I am sure there are some deviants out there who want to sleep with hanar for example.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:12 .

[DaneWolf]

Well... With Tali iit's quite easy... You can't see her face but it dosn't really matter... Her voice is sweet. When she talks to you she's sweet. She will back you up no matter what... Miranda is to direct and I wouldn't trust Jack with a paper stabler!! What people see in Garrus and thane I can't really say.... I'm VERRY Hetero...

[Unit-Alpha]

Kappa Neko wrote...

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...
Ashley Williams to me, was too much of a Zealot for the Alliance and her behavior at Horizon burned any bridge of my Shepard to hint at it, after all, she thought my Shepard was a terrorist and outright called him a traitor to his face.

I won't go through the rest --- as it has been beaten to death but out of all them, it seems that  Liara was the one who went through hell and damn nation for Shepard, took lumps, dealed with the Shadow Broker's B.S --- risked life and limb --- AND greeted you with kindness without going on and on and on about Cerberus's terrorism or being a traitor.

So you know, loyalty goes a long way in my book. She diserves Shepard's all.

So Ashley (and Kaidan) sucks because she critizes Shepard and has morals she stays faithful to? How dare she! Am I the only person in this forum who likes the Vermire survivors even MORE for being the only people who mind that Shepard's now working for this abominable organization called Cerberus?! If I were them I'd be pissed, too. Sure, they could have listened to what Sehp has to say. maybe should have had a little more faith in his/her reasons for working with Cerberus. But they didn't turn their backs completely. They said they want to get in touch again once Shepard has returned from his mission. Sounds fair to me.

Liara went through a lot for Shepard, that's true. But it irritated the hell out of me that she welcomed him/her with open arms like that. Never questioned Shep for a minute. Doesn't even mind if you've been sleeping around! Good faithful Liara is so in love with you that she's willing to put up with anything. That's quite a commitment for a short romance in ME1...

So women who don't look up to Shepard like he's an infallible god are bad?
I think I'll have brain surgery and become lesbian. If something goes wrong with the operation I'll probably end up as uncriticizing as Liara. So it's a win-win!

Liara is set up as the most caring and empathetic one by canon before ME2; just examine her dialog in ME1 and Redemption. She was the one who went after Shepard when everyone else just went back to what they were doing before. She shows repeatedly that she cares more about Shepard as a friend (by far) than she does about any romantic commitment.

[Inquisitor Recon]

DaneWolf wrote...

Well... With Tali iit's quite easy... You can't see her face but it dosn't really matter...

Until you see the horrors that lurk under the helmet in ME3. All of the former Tali fans will be running back to replay ME2.

[Unit-Alpha]

ReconTeam wrote...

DaneWolf wrote...

Well... With Tali iit's quite easy... You can't see her face but it dosn't really matter...

Until you see the horrors that lurk under the helmet in ME3. All of the former Tali fans will be running back to replay ME2.

Sadly, I sense that Bioware doesn't have the cojones to do that, as realistic as it is.

[pf17456]

Liara has a beautiful face, kind, compassionate and expressive.Her voice is soft and compeling.

She is intelligent, well spoken and carries herself with dignity. She is honest and forthright with her feelings. She is loyal, determined and pretty badass when she needs to be. She is someone you can trust with your life without doubt and she offers something no other potential LI can with regard to intimacy and that is a complete and total joining of mystical proportions. I can't see any other potential LI coming close

[Elite Midget]

Wow.... bluewolv1970.

I disagree with every negative point you made about Ashley. You seem like a nitpicker and are really stretching the facts here about Ashley. So here, let me help clear your mind from your unbridled bias and hatred for Ashley who, I might add, is one of the most realistic characters in Mass Effect.

1) She blames Sheperd for not contacting her after he came back into the world of living. Any person in a relationship would be angry if their thought to be lover returned but didn't bother contacting them and instead became buddies with known terrorists. Getting from being revived up to Horizon was not a single day event. Shepard had plenty of chances(That Bioware never gave us) to contact his former LI and reassure them that he lives and that a certian situation is forcing him to work with Cerberus to save the galaxy. Instead Shepard stands there like a lump at Horizon and doesn't even try to explain anything or show much concern for Ashley.

2) Ashley DISTRUSTS aliens, she doesn't hate them. The stain on her grandfathers record still haunts her and she had no problem adjusting to an alien crew in Mass Effect 1 after you talk to her. The only one she clashed with was Liara(Especially if you're a male that is romancing both) because she saw her as a threat to gaining male Shepards affection. Liara is just as guilty since she knew Tali loved Shepardmale) during Mass Effect 1 but chose to say nothing because her hands were full fighting back Ashley.

Also, Wrex was a risk to the mission at that point. He was almost beyond reasons. If you weren't charismatic(Paragon or Renegade) or didn't get him his family armor than he was going to try to kill Shepard and join Saren because of the believed genophage cure. Ashley even tells you ahead of the time that if she feels that your life is at stake than she will act. Thus her killing Wrex even if Shepard doesn't signal her and continues to attempt, but fail, to talk sense to Wrex.

3) Did you not play Mass Effect 1? In that game she only saw the darkest side that Cerberus had to show. All the intel the Alliance has on Cerberus is nothing but bad marks. Why should she be open and understanding to a known terrorist group that has killed innocent aliens and humans to forward their agenda. Not to mention that said agenda is to put humanity on top and have aliens only being useful if they can serve a purpose that humanity deems necessary.

Further, she was just stateing what the Alliance believed which was that Cerberus, a known terrorist organization, was doing underhanded things and might be working with the reapers. Why would she question her intel? Especially after seeing what Cerberus has done in the past. It's very believable for her to assume that Cerberus might be controlling Shepard or outright lieing to him.

The last time I checked TIM never let Shepard anywhere near anything important outside his ship. Shepard is never brought to the testing sites or the such. All Shepard has is TIMs word and that isn't enough for someone who's seen the worst of Cerberus.

Ashley is right to throw the word traitor since Cerberus is a terrorist organization that the Alliance has been fighting for years. Joining them is the very definition of betrayal.

Basically you're just biased and uninformed about Ashley and her views. You also seem to like it that some characters, like Tali, instantly forgive you and fall into your arms instead of making much fuss about Cerberus. Not even Garrus said much at all after the initial recruitment conversation. It's like everyone but Ashley and Kaiden suddenly forgot that Cerberus is full of terrorist that even has Jacob(Employed by Cerberus) showing distain to them.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[Dave of Canada]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

2) she has the nerve to play the Cerberus is anti-alien card, when she is more of a xenophobe than either Miranda or jacob - hell she was willing to put a hole in wrex and made more xenophobic comments in ME than TIM, Miranda, and Jacob combined in ME2...

This "Ashley = Xenophobe" card is getting pretty silly. She believes that aliens will look out for themselves and this is proven true a lot of the time in both games. Hell, you can even get a paragon charm option that makes her understand the aliens even more.

[Elite Midget]

My guess is that bluewolv never even bothered talking to Ashley as a Paragon.

[Ski Mask Wei]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

DaneWolf wrote...

Well... With Tali iit's quite easy... You can't see her face but it dosn't really matter...

Until you see the horrors that lurk under the helmet in ME3. All of the former Tali fans will be running back to replay ME2.

Sadly, I sense that Bioware doesn't have the cojones to do that, as realistic as it is.

Nope.  I'll just be happy if she isn't given the most important role in the Reapers demise after Shepard.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Mylene wrote...

 well,since Liara/Garrus/Tali/Thane are quiet popular among female/male players as LI,i'm just curious about what makes people fall in love with an alien other than a human?Is it just because thier well-built and interesting personalities compared to human characters?Then If(well,i know it's not gonna happen..) Bioware creates a krogan/volus/hanar character with an incredibly interesting personality ,will you ever consider romance them?

also,if shepard can mate turian/quarian/drell/asari,what're the reasons that  shepard cannot mate a krogan/volus/hanar?

Dont get me wrong,i like all the alien characters.Garrus&thane are nice(i play fem shepard),but my shepard will never romancce them. 

Well, it is largely character. Appearances shouldn't
matter really. Garrus scares the **** out of me, Thane eyes creep me out. Also
he sometimes looks like a fish more than a lizard.  Liara is attractive appearance wise but her
character kills me. If I were to create a Shepard that would go for an asari, it
would be Shiala who seems much more mature and down to earth. Tali I think was
much cooler in ME1. In ME2 her character suffers do to the romance if you ask
me, but that's just my opinion please don't kill me about it. Regardless, she
can still be cute as a button.

I do like Kaidan's character, but romance wise it doesn't seem right
for the Shepard I've created. I was thinking the other day though of creating a
Shepard that would work for that relationship. Jacob unfortunately disappointed
me and I just pretend he's not there half the time. Otherwise I haven't created
a male character to try out his romance options.

If Bioware created romance characters with great
personalities of krogan/volus/hanar, I don't see why it wouldn't be okay. There
is a small fan base that supports that already. I may not go for it though
personally. I think Garrus shouldn't have been made a romance. I tried it and
was surprised they kept him in character. I'm never trying it again though. He's
too much of a brother/best friend figure for me. Thane I didn't particularly
like to begin with, but after trying the romance I've become very fond of his
character and the drell species in general. However, he's the choice for the Shepard I've created because they just seem to go well together in my head.

I fail to understand why making babies would be so important
too. Having a baby doesn't solidify a relationship, it isn't a sign of true
love superior to anyone else's love just because you had a kid. There is always
adoption anyways, which you'd think an earthborn Shepard would be inclined to
do. In my case, I don't see my Shepard having any interest let alone time for
raising a child.

It just comes down to tastes of characters really, what a
person imagines for the Shepard they create. People shouldn't be looking at
these characters as real life romantic options. People shouldn't be fighting
over who's the better, who's the well written romance, because all their arguments
are really personal tastes and not actual facts.

It's all just for fun and role playing. It's a game. I wish people would quit
making it so personal. It's okay for people to like and dislike characters.
That's the reason why there are so many to chose from, because not everyone
will like everyone, but the game needs to have as many options as possible to appeal to many different types of people.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:48 .

[Kappa Neko]

Elite Midget wrote...

Wow.... bluewolv1970.

I disagree with every negative point you made about Ashley. You seem like a nitpicker and are really stretching the facts here about Ashley. So here, let me help clear your mind from your unbridled bias and hatred for Ashley who, I might add, is one of the most realistic characters in Mass Effect.

1) She blames Sheperd for not contacting her after he came back into the world of living. Any person in a relationship would be angry if their thought to be lover returned but didn't bother contacting them and instead became buddies with known terrorists. Getting from being revived up to Horizon was not a single day event. Shepard had plenty of chances(That Bioware never gave us) to contact his former LI and reassure them that he lives and that a certian situation is forcing him to work with Cerberus to save the galaxy. Instead Shepard stands there like a lump at Horizon and doesn't even try to explain anything or show much concern for Ashley.

2) Ashley DISTRUSTS aliens, she doesn't hate them. The stain on her grandfathers record still haunts her and she had no problem adjusting to an alien crew in Mass Effect 1 after you talk to her. The only one she clashed with was Liara(Especially if you're a male that is romancing both) because she saw her as a threat to gaining male Shepards affection. Liara is just as guilty since she knew Tali loved Shepardmale) during Mass Effect 1 but chose to say nothing because her hands were full fighting back Ashley.

Also, Wrex was a risk to the mission at that point. He was almost beyond reasons. If you weren't charismatic(Paragon or Renegade) or didn't get him his family armor than he was going to try to kill Shepard and join Saren because of the believed genophage cure. Ashley even tells you ahead of the time that if she feels that your life is at stake than she will act. Thus her killing Wrex even if Shepard doesn't signal her and continues to attempt, but fail, to talk sense to Wrex.

3) Did you not play Mass Effect 1? In that game she only saw the darkest side that Cerberus had to show. All the intel the Alliance has on Cerberus is nothing but bad marks. Why should she be open and understanding to a known terrorist group that has killed innocent aliens and humans to forward their agenda. Not to mention that said agenda is to put humanity on top and have aliens only being useful if they can serve a purpose that humanity deems necessary.

Further, she was just stateing what the Alliance believed which was that Cerberus, a known terrorist organization, was doing underhanded things and might be working with the reapers. Why would she question her intel? Especially after seeing what Cerberus has done in the past. It's very believable for her to assume that Cerberus might be controlling Shepard or outright lieing to him.

The last time I checked TIM never let Shepard anywhere near anything important outside his ship. Shepard is never brought to the testing sites or the such. All Shepard has is TIMs word and that isn't enough for someone who's seen the worst of Cerberus.

Ashley is right to throw the word traitor since Cerberus is a terrorist organization that the Alliance has been fighting for years. Joining them is the very definition of betrayal.

Basically you're just biased and uninformed about Ashley and her views. You also seem to like it that some characters, like Tali, instantly forgive you and fall into your arms instead of making much fuss about Cerberus. Not even Garrus said much at all after the initial recruitment conversation. It's like everyone but Ashley and Kaiden suddenly forgot that Cerberus is full of terrorist that even has Jacob(Employed by Cerberus) showing distain to them.

Yes, thank you! My thoughts exactly.
It really pisses me off that so many people here seem to prefer LIs who don't question Shepard for a second. That's sad. And it's not realistic, as you pointed out.  I like Liara and Tali but the way they throw themselves at your feet is almost ridiculous. Yes, Ash and Kaidan admire you, too, in ME1 for all the great things you've done. But they do not blindly follow your lead. And that's what I like about them. This is what a mature relationship should be about: support AND criticism when you screwed up or when you're going down a path better not taken. Criticism very often is a sign of concern, you know.

[Talogrungi]

Mu Shep usually romances Liara because .. she just seems like the choice he WOULD make.

[Fiery Phoenix]

In my opinion, Thane alone (including his romance subplot) is a more interesting love interest than all of the human love interests combined. That being said, I love Ashley, and she's my #1 human love interest, as well as my canon LI.



Ultimately, it's purely a matter of personal preference. No one should be judged as to why they've picked X character as their romantic partner. It just doesn't make sense.

[Loerwyn]

Liara was the only "F" option in ME1, which is why I went for her. If Ash was an LI for FemShep, I can see some of my FemSheps going down that route. Kaidan, to me, was about as appealing as a damp, mouldy sponge.

I don't find most of the male LIs (As in the romanceable men) that interesting. I don't dislike the characters as such, it's more a case of they're there, I don't talk to them, I don't use them (Unless I have to) and I often forget about them. I persued the Garrus LI with one FemShep because, to me, he's one of the most interesting characters in the ME universe. I wish Grunt was an LI, though, 'cos I can imagine one of my FemSheps getting quite taken with him.

But even then, the females one can romance hold little appeal to me. Jack is just completely wound up, and whilst I'm sure she's a nice character, I never gave her the time of day. Miranda is nothing but fan service, and I've absolutely no interest in her. Tali? If she was an F/F option then sure, maybe I'd explore it with a FemShep, but I don't find her that appealing.

So why Garrus and Liara? Because they're both bearable at the very least. Garrus' romance was quite interesting because you saw this other side to him. He's like a chocolate lime - Hard on the outside, soft on the inside. Liara was more a case of hormones at first, I fear, but she can be a good character.

[Therion942]

Liara is probably one of the few who could remotely understand and attempt to show empathy to what my Shepard has been through.



If that's not a tenuous enough response, it just feels right and it hasn't stopped feeling right yet.

[AresXX7]

For the most part it was curiosity on how the romance will play out.

I still tend to pick Ashley & Miranda as my two top LIs, I liked how their characters evolved.

As for my two favorite alien LIs - Tali and Liara have such sweet personalities, which are very endearing.

Garrus is too much of a buddy and Thane is too melodramatic.

I don't know if a Krogan would make a good LI, though, I doubt FemShep would appreciate being called 'squishy'. 

[sevalaricgirl]

I tried Garrus in ME2 second time around and just couldn't bring myself to do it so I went back to my last save and went back to my quarters and looked longingly at Kaidan's picture. Kaidan is it for me just like Carth was in KOTOR. I just don't get into lizard aliens or women. Now Garrus is my buddy and he goes everywhere with me. I can see hanging out in a bar and sloshing down a few with him. Besides Kaidan, my favorite male character in both games was Joker.

[Schneidend]

I was actually a little disappointed there was no opportunity for FemShep to declare some lustful thoughts for krogan. I think it would have been awesome if Kelly asked if Shepard liked alien men/women, and then Shepard could answer about a specific race.

[Tyreal42a]

I am a Japanese schoolgirl and I've always wanted a Hanar romance option.

Modifié par Tyreal42a, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:35 .

[PSRdirector]

because its different and fun

[Vendetta11]

In ME1, my favorite love intrest was Ashley. Even though she is big into "God" and whatnot (I'm an athiest, so it's in my nature to dismiss people who depend on things that I do not believe in), she was more interesting to "chase skirts" with.



Liara was just too...... bland for my tastes. She is sexy for sure, but her personality was just blah IMO. Now, after playing LotSB, she became a bit more interesting but still kinda..... meh.



In ME2, while I LOVE Miranda's character development, I ended up going 50/50 on my choice of romance between her and Tali. Tali in ME2 is just flat out awesome this time around. The writers did a great job of fleshing out who Tali really is, and she became much more endearing.



But to answer the OP's question, for me I chased after Tali just as much as Miranda because her personality was uber cute, and sexy to boot.







............but I am still holding out hope that Samara will be back in ME3, and as a love interest for Shepard as well. What can I say, I love cougars!

[Moondoggie]

For me romance choices are based on which i feel is the best written that evokes an emotional response. Besides if looks are the most important thing when falling for somebody then the world has no hope we'll all be chasing the same people around and fighting over them xD.