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[Xilizhra]

Whom did you side with?
I went for Kolgrim, for a few reasons: I'm pissing on someone's religion no matter what I do, I felt bad about intruding on a village and then annihilating it, and... well, I think dragons are cool. Also, my Warden is a blood mage whose hunger for knowledge is great indeed, and who drank Avernus' little concoction without hesitation. Of course, her girlfriend was pissed, but amusingly, the night after I defiled Andraste's ashes, Leliana and I spent the night together...

[AnniLau]

You sided with the Scientologists of Dragon Age.

[Xilizhra]

Well, it's not like the Disciples of Andraste are interested in evangelism.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, it's not like the Disciples of Andraste are interested in evangelism.

Actually they are somewhat.
One of the ending slide says that they start to gain a large number of converts.

[Zjarcal]

Xilizhra wrote...

Whom did you side with?
I went for Kolgrim, for a few reasons: I'm pissing on someone's religion no matter what I do...

I stopped reading right there. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but that attitude is hardly mature.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 28 septembre 2010 - 05:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Actually they are somewhat.

One of the ending slide says that they start to gain a large number of converts.

Really? I didn't make it to the epilogue yet, and they didn't seem like they'd take in outsiders, except me because they made me Andraste's champion. Interesting.

I stopped reading right there. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but that attitude is hardly mature.

My apologies. It's true, some religions are more harmful than others, but I don't think it's a religious mandate to kill anyone nosing around Haven; they just do it because they don't want dragonslayers killing their god. Heck, if they do start to get converts, it might mean that the village isn't so dangerous for outsiders anymore.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Whom did you side with?
I went for Kolgrim, for a few reasons: I'm pissing on someone's religion no matter what I do...

I stopped reading right there. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but that attitude is hardly mature.

I think what the op meant is both choices involve attacking a religion. If you defile the ashes, you're obviously offending the Chantry. But you killed a lot of Disciples and killing their leader would also be an offense to the Disciples.

[Xilizhra]

I think what the op meant is both choices involve attacking a religion. If you defile the ashes, you're obviously offending the Chantry. But you killed a lot of Disciples and killing their leader would also be an offense to the Disciples.

Oh, yes, that's what I meant. I'm not out to attack religions no matter what; it's just that I'm attacking a religion no matter what decision I make.

[UFOash]

The chantry is a national religion, almost everyone in Ferelden worships the maker.
Andrastes Disciples are a cult, numbering one mountain village & a ruined temples worth of people.

Although after going through the Gauntlet I was ironically quite against the chantry, for a religion teaching of a mighty god worthy of the worship of the entire world, they sure seem extremely aggressive to anyone from Tevinter.

Some poor Tevinter guy is like "what did I do!? ".

Modifié par UFOash, 28 septembre 2010 - 06:12 .

[Xilizhra]

True, but not many people in Ferelden are going to hear that the Ashes were found, then had dragon's blood poured into them (I wonder if that actually neutralizes their healing powers?). Also, I didn't have to kill anyone extra this way, as Leliana backed down and Wynne wasn't in my party.

[Giggles_Manically]

I sided with them on my evil mage.

My other PC's all end up killing Kolgrim and the Dragon.

[Zjarcal]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Whom did you side with?
I went for Kolgrim, for a few reasons: I'm pissing on someone's religion no matter what I do...

I stopped reading right there. I'm not a religious person by any stretch of the imagination, but that attitude is hardly mature.

I think what the op meant is both choices involve attacking a religion. If you defile the ashes, you're obviously offending the Chantry. But you killed a lot of Disciples and killing their leader would also be an offense to the Disciples.

Ohh, see that does make sense! Apologies to the OP.

[RavenousBear]

I defiled the ashes once with a sociopath dwarf who took the offer only for the Reaver specialization then betrayed Kolgrim when he became useless. Otherwise I reject the offer and hack the King Leonidas wannabe and his xenophobic minions to pieces. I am not by any means pro-chantry but I would not side with a backwards cult to vandalize a relic.

[yangthecat]

Caak7i wrote...

I defiled the ashes once with a sociopath dwarf who took the offer only for the Reaver specialization then betrayed Kolgrim when he became useless. Otherwise I reject the offer and hack the King Leonidas wannabe and his xenophobic minions to pieces. I am not by any means pro-chantry but I would not side with a backwards cult to vandalize a relic.

This is why I still have not had a warden defile the ashes. Even when my PC doesn't like or even hates the Chantry, they don't want to side with fanatics who have taken a scholar hostage and ambushed and killed knights who were looking for him pre-emptively. The knights didn't even get to their village, they were told by a fake Weylon in Denerim to go look around Lake Calenhad, were ambushed there and then taken to Haven to be killed. 

[Tigress M]

I defiled the ashes just long enough to get the achievement unlocked and then reloaded the game and left them undefiled. I just couldn't bear the thought of continuing a playthrough where Wynne had deserted me and Alistair had gotten so pissed.

[Xilizhra]

Caak7i wrote...

I defiled the ashes once with a sociopath dwarf who took the offer only for the Reaver specialization then betrayed Kolgrim when he became useless. Otherwise I reject the offer and hack the King Leonidas wannabe and his xenophobic minions to pieces. I am not by any means pro-chantry but I would not side with a backwards cult to vandalize a relic.

I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

I defiled the ashes just long enough to
get the achievement unlocked and then reloaded the game and left them
undefiled. I just couldn't bear the thought of continuing a playthrough
where Wynne had deserted me and Alistair had gotten so pissed.

Alistair is all right if you persuade him, you know. Wynne leaves no matter what, sadly.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 28 septembre 2010 - 07:33 .

[Zjarcal]

Xilizhra wrote...

I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

You can avoid killing most of the villagers if you go straight for the chantry and avoid the bloody altar or the back of the storeroom. That way there will still be plenty of adults to take care of the children.

[Xilizhra]

You can avoid killing most of the villagers if you go straight for the chantry and avoid the bloody altar or the back of the storeroom. That way there will still be plenty of adults to take care of the children.

Well, I did go straight for the chantry; I didn't even know there were other options.

There is just no reason to defile the ashes based on you characters origins.

Really? My mage thinks that the Chantry is a nuisance holding back the potential for great knowledge in many places, and a dwarf or Dalish elf would have no connection to the Maker or the Chantry.

[saruman85]

Xilizhra wrote...
I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

Wow you must RP your characters quite a lot to consider leaving them alive in the first place. Many players just whack Kolgrim cos the High Dragon is too big a prize to pass up.

Jynthor wrote...
There is just no reason to defile the ashes based on you characters origins.

That's just trolling and you know it. It depends on how you RP your character - if your Warden is good, then perhaps not. But if your Warden's evil or hates the Chantry (which the elf and dwarf origins could easily make you do) defiling the ashes is perfectly in character.

[wickedgoodreed]

Xilizhra wrote...
I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

Did you talk to that one little boy? I'm not sure the villagers are that great for the children's welfare either.

Having said that, even if you don't avoid attacking the villagers, if you go back to Haven some time later, you'll actually see a few adults left and they will yell at you if you talk to them. So not all of them get wiped out. There's also a hidden graveyard with a bunch of easter eggs written on the tombstones that's fairly amusing.

Modifié par wickedgoodreed, 28 septembre 2010 - 07:50 .

[Zjarcal]

saruman85 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

Wow you must RP your characters quite a lot to consider leaving them alive in the first place. Many players just whack Kolgrim cos the High Dragon is too big a prize to pass up.

I never kill the High Dragon. I think my party members would be pissed off at my PC for waking a sleeping Dragon that posed no threat to us.

*PC blows horn*

Party members: "What are you doing you demented bastard?!?!?!?"

Plus, I feel bad for killing the beast.

[Xilizhra]

Wow you must RP your characters quite a lot to consider leaving them alive in the first place. Many players just whack Kolgrim cos the High Dragon is too big a prize to pass up.

I don't like combat all that much, really. So it was a nice bonus to not have to fight the Disciples on the rest of the mountain.

That's just trolling and you know it. It depends on how you RP your character - if your Warden is good, then perhaps not. But if your Warden's evil or hates the Chantry (which the elf and dwarf origins could easily make you do) defiling the ashes is perfectly in character.

Heh. My own Warden doesn't (or didn't) hate the Chantry exactly, but saw them as pointless, and didn't want to trade an artifact for the lives of the Disciples and Andraste. Though, after drinking the blood, she ended up converting to the Disciples herself (kind of; she doesn't think that the dragon is actually Andraste, but she believes that dragons in general are the most divine children of the true Maker, and... it gets complicated).

[RavenousBear]

Xilizhra wrote...

Caak7i wrote...

I defiled the ashes once with a sociopath dwarf who took the offer only for the Reaver specialization then betrayed Kolgrim when he became useless. Otherwise I reject the offer and hack the King Leonidas wannabe and his xenophobic minions to pieces. I am not by any means pro-chantry but I would not side with a backwards cult to vandalize a relic.

I feel a bit uneasy, still, condemning an entire village as just a cult. What would be done with the children, since you seem to have killed all of the adults?

Not every adult in the village dies. If you head back to Haven after completing the Urn Quest, there will some adults mourning the loss of the cultists. I do feel sorry for the children but you can head straight to the church without entering the house with blood everywhere and the shop where the Knight's body is located and Father Eirik will attack you because you are an intruder to their village.

They worship the dragon they named "Andraste" who resides in the Mountaintops of the Temple because they think the dragon is Andraste reincarnated. They worship this dragon and due to their violence towards outsiders, any villager who would disagree with their beliefs would most likely be dead (as Kolgrim's ancestor also took control of the village killing any dissenters). So I find it reasonable that the entire village is most likely 100% controlled by Kolgrim (not necessarily everyone believes in this faith but will not denounce it due to fear of death). I hope that makes sense.

I would classify the villagers as cultists.