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[Xilizhra]

Tigress M wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm really not a big fan of the Chantry so preserving the ashes and allowing Brother Genitivi to run around Thedas converting more people through stories about their power is very unappealing to me.

Speaking of Genitivi, have you ever killed him?  I did once and was shocked A) that it involved stabbing him in the back and that everyone in my party disapproved, even after they'd all agreed letting the location become public knowledge was a bad idea.  So now, I just tell him it's all on him if things go bad, which of course they do.  <_<

Indeed... I wonder how many might get killed by the riddles there?

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Tigress M wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...
I'm really not a big fan of the Chantry so preserving the ashes and allowing Brother Genitivi to run around Thedas converting more people through stories about their power is very unappealing to me.

Speaking of Genitivi, have you ever killed him?  I did once and was shocked A) that it involved stabbing him in the back and that everyone in my party disapproved, even after they'd all agreed letting the location become public knowledge was a bad idea.  So now, I just tell him it's all on him if things go bad, which of course they do.  <_<

Indeed... I wonder how many might get killed by the riddles there?

A COCONUT?

[Xilizhra]

I wonder... objectively speaking, would this be considered an evil act or not?

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder... objectively speaking, would this be considered an evil act or not?

There is no evil only degrees of badass. 

[Xilizhra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder... objectively speaking, would this be considered an evil act or not?

There is no evil only degrees of badass. 

Maybe, maybe. It's possible that I'm just underestimating the importance of the relic, but...  ah well. I like the way the story goes, even if it's a pity to lose Wynne.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder... objectively speaking, would this be considered an evil act or not?

There is no evil only degrees of badass. 

Maybe, maybe. It's possible that I'm just underestimating the importance of the relic, but...  ah well. I like the way the story goes, even if it's a pity to lose Wynne.

I always pick the wrong dialouge with Kolgrim.
One wrong line and I make him angry.

Ah well the world is better off without rejects from Indie 2.

[Xilizhra]

Why must Wynne leave, though? Even Leliana doesn't automatically.

[RavenousBear]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why must Wynne leave, though? Even Leliana doesn't automatically.

She is a strict Lawful-Good/Lawful-Stupid character and defiling an artifact of the Chantry is against her moral code.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why must Wynne leave, though? Even Leliana doesn't automatically.

Not to be rude but thats like saying:
Why would a christian leave the group! All I did was sun tan on the shroud of Turin and drink American beer from the Holy Grail!

You destroyed something of great importance to her. However the confrontation is slightly marred in that only one of them brings it up and the other never mentions it. Wynne does trump Leliana though here.

[TJPags]

Is there a way to make it into the ruined temple withOUT killing your way through the village?



I mean, I have no problem doing that - I hate cults - I'm just wondering . . .

[Xilizhra]

You destroyed something of great importance to her. However the confrontation is slightly marred in that only one of them brings it up and the other never mentions it. Wynne does trump Leliana though here.

Well, I did harden Leliana, so maybe Wynne is more devout at this point. But your earlier analogy isn't totally accurate; I did it both to avoid violence and to gain the genetic memory of an ancient and extremely powerful being. Who knows what knowledge might be contained in the dragon's blood? Who knows what greater power this could bring, for all the Grey Wardens, not just yourself?

Modifié par Xilizhra, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:52 .

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

You destroyed something of great importance to her. However the confrontation is slightly marred in that only one of them brings it up and the other never mentions it. Wynne does trump Leliana though here.

Well, I did harden Leliana, so maybe Wynne is more devout at this point. But your earlier analogy isn't totally accurate; I did it both to avoid violence and to gain the genetic memory of an ancient and extremely powerful being. Who knows what knowledge might be contained in the dragon's blood? Who knows what greater power this could bring, for all the Grey Wardens, not just yourself?

I dont leave potential problems behind me.
The cultists are violent and uncontrollable, with a perverted practice that hurts innocent people.

I kill them, and their so called God, whatever power they offer may be tempting but they are not people I would deal with. Sadly they try to get in my way, and it leads to their obliteration.

[Xilizhra]

The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn. Yes, there's a bloody altar, but historically, I think most members of societies in which human sacrifice was accepted didn't mind being sacrificed all that much (as in that Mayan ball game where the winning team was sacrificed). And Kolgrim seems honorable, albeit fanatical; I'm straight with him and he's been straight with me so far, and I don't think they have any desire to leave Haven.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn. Yes, there's a bloody altar, but historically, I think most members of societies in which human sacrifice was accepted didn't mind being sacrificed all that much (as in that Mayan ball game where the winning team was sacrificed). And Kolgrim seems honorable, albeit fanatical; I'm straight with him and he's been straight with me so far, and I don't think they have any desire to leave Haven.

They also kill people who wander in by acciedent.
And one of the codex's you can pick up tells how a person ran from cultists but was killed.

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps I missed that particular codex. But then again, it doesn't matter; my Warden has a greater plan in mind, and she needs the cultists for that.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Perhaps I missed that particular codex. But then again, it doesn't matter; my Warden has a greater plan in mind, and she needs the cultists for that.

They were part of my plan.
My Workout out plan.

Besides they wont listen to you anyway, good luck trying to use them.

[Xilizhra]

I'm the champion of their god. All I need is a few eggs and some blood for training new Reavers, Accusers and Magisters.

[TJPags]

Xilizhra wrote...

The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn. Yes, there's a bloody altar, but historically, I think most members of societies in which human sacrifice was accepted didn't mind being sacrificed all that much (as in that Mayan ball game where the winning team was sacrificed). And Kolgrim seems honorable, albeit fanatical; I'm straight with him and he's been straight with me so far, and I don't think they have any desire to leave Haven.

There's also a dead, bloody knight who had come looking for the urn, you know . . . .

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm the champion of their god. All I need is a few eggs and some blood for training new Reavers, Accusers and Magisters.

And a Chantry arriving to wipe you out.
Or Kingdoms that dont like that Orlais in praticular descending on you.

Doubtful you can get away with it.
Even if you do, what do you do with your army now?

Play Canasta on the mountains?
Besides Templar and Berserker trump Reaver as a spec.

[Xilizhra]

There's also a dead, bloody knight who had come looking for the urn, you know . . . .

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The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's also a dead, bloody knight who had come looking for the urn, you know . . . .

see

The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn.

So its ok for them to murder people because ?

[TJPags]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's also a dead, bloody knight who had come looking for the urn, you know . . . .

see

The only innocents we know they've hurt are ones who were looking for the Urn.

Hmmm.

well, okay then.

[Xilizhra]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm the champion of their god. All I need is a few eggs and some blood for training new Reavers, Accusers and Magisters.

And a Chantry arriving to wipe you out.
Or Kingdoms that dont like that Orlais in praticular descending on you.

Doubtful you can get away with it.
Even if you do, what do you do with your army now?

Play Canasta on the mountains?
Besides Templar and Berserker trump Reaver as a spec.

Find the Old Gods, first and foremost.

[Giggles_Manically]

Xilizhra wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm the champion of their god. All I need is a few eggs and some blood for training new Reavers, Accusers and Magisters.

And a Chantry arriving to wipe you out.
Or Kingdoms that dont like that Orlais in praticular descending on you.

Doubtful you can get away with it.
Even if you do, what do you do with your army now?

Play Canasta on the mountains?
Besides Templar and Berserker trump Reaver as a spec.

Find the Old Gods, first and foremost.

The Grey Warden's already know where they are.
They just can reach them.

What makes you think you can get to them?

[KnightofPhoenix]

Xilizhra wrote...

I wonder... objectively speaking, would this be considered an evil act or not?

A contradiction. What is considered "evil" is a subjective conviction. There is no such thing as an "objective" evil.

Regarding the choie. They didn't give me enough incentives and the reaver spec is not worth it, especially when you are not a warrior.
If helping Kolgrim meant that the Disciples,and Dragon Andraste, would join your army against the Blight, then I might have considered it.