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[starwarschewy]

 i didn't see any sexism i ME2:huh: 

[Cancer Puppet]

GodWood wrote...

The whole sequel was sexualized.

Not Garrus. Chaffing...

[brfritos]

GodWood wrote...

brfritos wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The whole sequel was sexualized.

And this is a bad thing?

I think it looks stupid and makes the game look immature and childish.
So yes it is a bad thing.

Well, they are about to do sex, what do you expect?
A nun and a rabbi?

For those asking, it can't be "a nun and a priest", since priests are only interested in little boys. 

[AdamNW]

Siansonea II wrote...

More objectification of hawt male characters please!

>Implying Jacob is hot to begin with

[Zaxares]

I don't believe ME2 is a sexist game. It has sexual overtones, certainly, but you'll find those everywhere in real life too. There is nothing wrong with seeing men or women as sexual beings; it's only when you ONLY see them as sexual beings that there's a problem.

[kglaser]

PWENER wrote...

There's nothing sexual about ME... I'll prove it....
<cut hilarious images>

Nope, nothing sexual about this here game.

OK that was damn funny.

[NanQuan]

nikki191 wrote...

while i would of prefered people being in actual armour rather than the skin tight outfits, that didnt leave much to the imagination i did laugh when the eclipse merc made a comment about miranda's outfit

True. It is nice that bioware mentions that Miranda's outfit is ridiculous. At least they're up front about it. Though I would still have liked a more tasteful outfit for her. And for Samara to not wear heels.

Sex sells, so I'm not surprised by the images in Mass Effect, but it would be nice if it were at least marginally equal for males and females.

[tishyw]

NanQuan wrote...

nikki191 wrote...

while i would of prefered people being in actual armour rather than the skin tight outfits, that didnt leave much to the imagination i did laugh when the eclipse merc made a comment about miranda's outfit

True. It is nice that bioware mentions that Miranda's outfit is ridiculous. At least they're up front about it. Though I would still have liked a more tasteful outfit for her. And for Samara to not wear heels.

Sex sells, so I'm not surprised by the images in Mass Effect, but it would be nice if it were at least marginally equal for males and females.

And for Jack to actually wear something!

[wizardryforever]

NanQuan wrote...

Sex sells, so I'm not surprised by the images in Mass Effect, but it would be nice if it were at least marginally equal for males and females.

The ratio of male to female sexualization is directly proportional to the ratio of female to male gamers. :innocent:

[tishyw]

wizardryforever wrote...

NanQuan wrote...

Sex sells, so I'm not surprised by the images in Mass Effect, but it would be nice if it were at least marginally equal for males and females.

The ratio of male to female sexualization is directly proportional to the ratio of female to male gamers. :innocent:

Sadly that's very true, but it wasn't the case for ME1, so I wonder why they made decision to be so obvious about it in ME2?

[Ragnarok521]

Not sexist. Just more in-your-face sexuality. You didn't see half-naked biotics and "snug in the right place" uniforms that often in the original Mass Effect.

[tishyw]

Ragnarok521 wrote...

Not sexist. Just more in-your-face sexuality. You didn't see half-naked biotics and "snug in the right place" uniforms that often in the original Mass Effect.

If it was just more in-your-face sexuality, then it would have been more evenly divided between the sexes.  It's predominately female sexuality that's more 'in-your-face', therefore it's sexist.

And I've just finished replaying ME1, the only half naked folk I recall were the Asari dancers in the Citidel nightclub.  Did I miss something?

[Ragnarok521]

tishyw wrote...

Ragnarok521 wrote...

Not sexist. Just more in-your-face sexuality. You didn't see half-naked biotics and "snug in the right place" uniforms that often in the original Mass Effect.

If it was just more in-your-face sexuality, then it would have been more evenly divided between the sexes.  It's predominately female sexuality that's more 'in-your-face', therefore it's sexist.


And I've just finished replaying ME1, the only half naked folk I recall were the Asari dancers in the Citidel nightclub.  Did I miss something?

Hm. Hadn't thought of it like that. Though you must admit Jacob's uniform is a...a bit snug . Though that's the only male example that comes to mind at the moment. ...Thane's open-chest shirt?

Modifié par Ragnarok521, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:50 .

[tishyw]

Ragnarok521 wrote...

tishyw wrote...

Ragnarok521 wrote...

Not sexist. Just more in-your-face sexuality. You didn't see half-naked biotics and "snug in the right place" uniforms that often in the original Mass Effect.

If it was just more in-your-face sexuality, then it would have been more evenly divided between the sexes.  It's predominately female sexuality that's more 'in-your-face', therefore it's sexist.


And I've just finished replaying ME1, the only half naked folk I recall were the Asari dancers in the Citidel nightclub.  Did I miss something?

Hm. Hadn't thought of it like that. Though you must admit Jacob's uniform is a...a bit snug . Though that's the only male example that comes to mind at the moment. ...Thane's open-chest shirt?

Yes, but at least they were wearing something, Jack wears a pair of low slung pants and strategically placed braces.  I enjoyed the game, but the close-up's on Miranda's backside and on Samara's cleavage quickly wore thin.  I found myself talking to them only as much as I had to, to get and complete their loyalty quests, and that's not the way I usually play RPG's, I talked to Mordin so much he suggested that I was hitting on him (I think he was joking).

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Sure I think we can all agree that some aspects of the game or any game or media for that matter are feature over sexualized aspects. Just look at Miranda.

But that said it isn't sexism. It would be sexism if Bioware had Miranda working behind a desk...

bad analogy. lol But I believe you get my point.

True!  Perhaps exploitative is the right word to use.

Modifié par tishyw, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:04 .

[Ragnarok521]

tishyw wrote...
Yes, but at least they were wearing something, Jack wears a pair of low slung pants and strategically placed braces.  I enjoyed the game, but the close-up's on Miranda's backside and on Samara's cleavage quickly wore thin.  I found myself talking to them only as much as I had to, to get and complete their loyalty quests, and that's not the way I usually play RPG's, I talked to Mordin so much he suggested that I was hitting on him (I think he was joking).
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I hear you. Having them run around in combat with their assets showing is bad enough, but it's just annoying to have them shoved in your face as if another reminder was needed.

[Heavensrun]

GodWood wrote...

brfritos wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The whole sequel was sexualized.

And this is a bad thing?

I think it looks stupid and makes the game look immature and childish.
So yes it is a bad thing.

-I- think it looks hot and makes the game look fun and sexy, and my opinion is no less valid than yours.

Of course, The first game had plenty of snug armor, and 100% more nudity than the sequel.  (which, incidentally, didn't have any nudity at -all-)  So...Miranda's got a slightly tighter outfit than the (very  tight) armors from ME1, Jack is basically topless, but nobody brings that up because her bald head makes her less appealing to them, And a few characters lose part of their clothing when they get romancy. (as opposed to stripping naked like they did in the first game.)

Not really seeing how the sequel is -more- sexualized, but I'm used to complaints about sexuality having little basis in reason anyway.

As for the OP, Yeah, Jacob's definitely eyecandy for the ladies, and even when he's fully dressed, his outfit is -pretty damn snug-. 

But you know what?  I disagree that fanservice constitutes sexism anyway.  There is nothing wrong with creating a product to pander to a specific audience, and honestly that's what this is.

Is it racist against white people that there are magazines and games that are aimed at attracting black customers?  Is it sexist that Playgirl doesn't have pictures of naked women as well as pictures of naked men?  Of course not, because the magazine is targeted at female (or gay male) audiences!  If a book about astronomy doesn't spend time pandering to biologists, is it discriminating against biologists?

Mass effect is a game that was designed to appeal mainly to males from late teens to early 30s, who like sci-fi, blue-skinned lesbians, and spaceships.

I can certainly appreciate that people want a game with it's attributes that panders exclusively to their tastes, but it's unrealistic to expect every product that interests you to conform exclusively to your standards for excellence, and it's downright childish to attack that product for daring to aim for a different demographic than that which you fall into.

[Heavensrun]

tishyw wrote...

Captain Cornhole wrote...

Sure I think we can all agree that some aspects of the game or any game or media for that matter are feature over sexualized aspects. Just look at Miranda.

But that said it isn't sexism. It would be sexism if Bioware had Miranda working behind a desk...

Nah, it would be sexism if Bioware had Miranda working behind a -secretaries- desk while men made all the administrative decisions and participated in all the action.  The important cornerstone of sexual (or any other kind of discrimination) is that one person's rights and opportunities are limited.

bad analogy. lol But I believe you get my point.

True!  Perhaps exploitative is the right word to use.

I don't agree.  Who is it exploiting?  Yvonne Strahovski?  Fictional characters who have no feelings to tread upon?  Women as a whole?  So some woman somewhere is somehow tangibly diminished because some young man she'll never meet looked at a digital backside and thought it was sexy?

Did Jacob's six-pack make me less of a man, or objectify -me-?  I didn't feel exploited when I saw him, and he shows more skin than virtually anybody else in the game.

[Zan Mura]

Sexism in general seems to be little more than something to feed the media and forum trolls. It's never been an issue outside of the media and net. Every last one of the people I know appreciate the female figure in real life, and the women are just as objectifying of the men. Sure, it gets to ridiculous proportions sometimes, looking at some of the commercials, games and movies out there. But since when didn't that happen to pretty much any subject?

Miranda does dress like a skank, but she's a pleasure to look at. I'll still pick Kasumi, Tali or Jack over her any time. Not to mention Liara, but then she's not a joinable companion in ME2.

A fanatically gender-neutral attitude accomplishes nothing good anyway. Pretending gyus and gals are the same, and pretending humans aren't sexual or aesthetically pelasing creatures is a lie. Different, but equal.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:56 .

[008Zulu]

The game has it's sexy moments, but it isnt sexist. If the game were sexist then there would be no females on the crew, or if there were, they would be working the menial jobs like cook or cleaner (compared to shooting aliens and saving the galaxy). Sigourney Weaver in Galaxy Quest, if the movie wern't a parody, then that would be sexist.



As for the clothes, they have invisible shields protecting them from harm. Function can gice way to Form.

[Onyx Jaguar]

GodWood wrote...

Its during a romance scene.

You could also say that its a daring romance scene

PLAY ON WORDSSSSSSS

[Commander Kurt]

Well, of course women are portrayed fighting half naked and in heels. What could be silly about that?

They are, after all and unlike men, eyecandy first and fighters second.


*this is sarcasm, meant as a joke and not to instill anger amongst people who share this belief or those who oppose it. I further do not suggest that one cannot oppose the idea of ME2 being sexist without having these views*

Modifié par Commander Kurt, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

I don't know what kind of eyes you have, candy is made for the mouth region

[Zan Mura]

Commander Kurt wrote...

Well, of course women are portrayed fighting half naked and in heels. What could be silly and stupid about that?

They are, after all and unlike men, eyecandy first and fighters second. Everybody knows that, so what's wrong with it?

You do know these forums are quite heavily moderated? Slapping a sign on your forehead saying "I'm a troll and wish to be punished" is not only a bad idea with regards to your community image, it receives the attention of the mods quickly enough. Some people are just too touchy, of course. But goading them just because you know you can is hardly the way to go either.

[GodWood]

brfritos wrote...

GodWood wrote...

brfritos wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The whole sequel was sexualized.

And this is a bad thing?

I think it looks stupid and makes the game look immature and childish.
So yes it is a bad thing.

Well, they are about to do sex, what do you expect?

You misunderstand.
If its during a sex scene I couldn't care if the scene played out like a porno, my problem is the fact that characters are now dressed like DC comics heroes when they're on the battle field, which looks absolutely ridiculous and serves no purpose other then fanservice.

@ Heavensrun, I don't know what point you're trying to make, as I never called it sexist

Modifié par GodWood, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:04 .