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[TMA LIVE]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Yeah but Shepard had no involvement in Garrus leaving C-Sec and going to Omega to become Archangel. Whilst am not saying that Liara can't handle herself, I find it a bit crazy her being able to do all that on her own. In particular as mentioned if you don't even bother seeing her in ME2. Besides, isn't the info from Cerberus first put through to Shepard. Considering the situation between Cerberus and Liara, part of me doubts they'd just go send her the information directly. That is why they asked Shep to go speak to her.

Her taking care of the Shadow Broker alone, would to me be like Tali getting off of Haestrom if Shepard didn't go recruit her. Not saying Liara would be dead (like I imagine Tali will in aforementioned situation) but I don't think she'll be Shadow Broker.

If she isn't Shadow Broker there still isn't nothing to stop her helping Shep in ME3. After all, if we are on the utter brink of extinction due to the Reapers I think that will matter more than Shadow Broker. I just think they'll keep it optional as they did in ME2 whether you go see her or not.

Well, Liara says she has some hired muscle. She could have hired some mercs to help. I'm just saying if Shepard didn't give her the data, Cerberus might have just sent it to her anyways because Shepard's being a dushbag again.

[Mox Ruuga]

I too, am of the opinion that there will be another "reset" of sorts between ME2 and ME3. The people who think we're just going to start with a fully upgraded Normandy, a filled out skill tree, uber armory with 5/5 upgraded gear galore, and 12 loyal and fully leveled squaddies are in for a BIIIIG surprise.

Shep as a prisoner is an idea, certainly. I doubt Bioware would be silly enough to actually kill him/her again. But perhaps s/he is captured on some mission, by indoctrinated Reaper agents? And taken away to be indoctrineted him/herself?

Thus, the rescue by Liara/VS/Andereson/whomever some time later (hope its not years again... from several months to maximum of one year would be better). Perhaps most of the assault team is killed, and Shepard needs to team up with... surprise surprise, the new male and female lead squaddies (before the female lead, we briefly meet the sacrificial lamb squaddie, shades of Wilson and Jenkins). Liara or VS will be the "radio voice", giving tutorial tips.

I do hope the Normandy doesn't get blown up again, tho. Even if we get presented with a new ship... Let SR2 live dammit! Destroying her second incarnation would jinx the name...

I do believe Liara will mostly be a "quest giver" NPC in ME3. Perhaps with one or two squaddie appearances (hopefully in pivotal missions)? No one from the ME2 team will be a "main" squaddie (LotSB style guest appearances for a chosen few), so the only full time returnee would be the VS.

Have to say, I was wrong about Liara being RUINED FOREVER, back several months.  LotSB was awesome, some of the best content for the ME series yet, and certainly the best relating to ME2!

Har! I remember hoping that Weekes would be the one to take over Liara's writing duties in the then "hypothetical" DLC or in ME3! Looks like that was a wish worth making...

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...


Possibly being rescued by the Shadow Broker's private army maybe? Or Feron?

Yeah, Feron could help as well.  He's got nothing better to do.  And that private army...that could come in handy.

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Have to say, I was wrong about Liara being RUINED FOREVER, back several months.  LotSB was awesome, some of the best content for the ME series yet, and certainly the best relating to ME2!

Har! I remember hoping that Weekes would be the one to take over Liara's writing duties in the then "hypothetical" DLC or in ME3! Looks like that was a wish worth making...

That's good to hear that Liara isn't ruined for you anymore.  Weekes did do a great job with Liara in LotSB.

I also believe they will introduce a new male and female lead that will be plastered all over the ME3 cover.  Some think Liara will be on the cover, but...I don't think so. 

[KendallX23]

i don't want new people..this is the last part...the sum of the events of ME1 and ME2...well i want to see something symbolic on the cover of ME3 for the end...

so now that Liara has SB info and probably can make an army...i say Shep chances have increased...we can add the Geth,Quarians(if we make them not fight with the Geth),krogans,rachni....i say we have an army

LOTSB really made me even more interested in ME3

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...


Possibly being rescued by the Shadow Broker's private army maybe? Or Feron?

Yeah, Feron could help as well.  He's got nothing better to do.  And that private army...that could come in handy.

Mox Ruuga wrote...

Have to say, I was wrong about Liara being RUINED FOREVER, back several months.  LotSB was awesome, some of the best content for the ME series yet, and certainly the best relating to ME2!

Har! I remember hoping that Weekes would be the one to take over Liara's writing duties in the then "hypothetical" DLC or in ME3! Looks like that was a wish worth making...

That's good to hear that Liara isn't ruined for you anymore.  Weekes did do a great job with Liara in LotSB.

I also believe they will introduce a new male and female lead that will be plastered all over the ME3 cover.  Some think Liara will be on the cover, but...I don't think so. 

Support Liara As Poster Girl for ME3 Thread?

[jlb524]

I don't really care if she's on the cover or not, tbh. I wouldn't get my hopes up, as they usually advertise the lead human female LI for the game (Ashley in ME1, Miranda in ME2) along with the cool alien dude (Garrus in ME1, Thane in ME2).



Unless they don't make any new characters (which I doubt) then Liara would be the obvious choice.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't really care if she's on the cover or not, tbh. I wouldn't get my hopes up, as they usually advertise the lead human female LI for the game (Ashley in ME1, Miranda in ME2) along with the cool alien dude (Garrus in ME1, Thane in ME2).

Unless they don't make any new characters (which I doubt) then Liara would be the obvious choice.

There are already too many people to love in Mass Effect. If you haven't picked one by now, you're one picky bastard. lol

Anyways, I still think ME3 will allow you to a "second chance" to romance Liara or Kaidan/Ash for default players.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 05:49 .

[Mox Ruuga]

KendallX23 wrote...

i don't want new people..this is the last part...the sum of the events of ME1 and ME2...well i want to see something symbolic on the cover of ME3 for the end...

Too bad!  Yer gonna get 'em.

Seriously, what other option is there? Better hope that your personal ME2 favorite is on that short list for a LotSB style "one time" squaddie role.  I predict others might be made available with DLC eventually...

so now that Liara has SB info and probably can make an army...i say Shep chances have increased...we can add the Geth,Quarians(if we make them not fight with the Geth),krogans,rachni....i say we have an army
LOTSB really made me even more interested in ME3

Of what use are bunch of ground troops and a large force of creaky civilian freighters to Shepard? Unless we only end up facing like three to five Reapers total... And even that would be an overwhelming force, especially if more than one were faced at a time... Nah, if we end up needing "forces", those will be used against Indoctrinated mooks or something similar.

I believe the Reapers either never get out from Dark Space, or that Shepard manages to scout out their "Plan B" Relay and builds a massive trap there. Perhaps making the star of said system go super nova? Using a certain plot element mentioned at various points during ME2...

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, I still think ME3 will allow you to a "second chance" to romance Liara or Kaidan/Ash for default players.

I used to think this but, LotSB didn't give you a 'second chance' with Liara, and it would have been the perfect opportunity to start it.  So, I'm doubtful it will happen in ME3, but we shall wait and see.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, I still think ME3 will allow you to a "second chance" to romance Liara or Kaidan/Ash for default players.

I used to think this but, LotSB didn't give you a 'second chance' with Liara, and it would have been the perfect opportunity to start it.  So, I'm doubtful it will happen in ME3, but we shall wait and see.

I don't think so. I think, like Liara says about Feron, it's not the right time to pop the question. Besides, it wouldn't be fair to Ash/Kaidan fans unless they do the same. And also, it's DLC.

[Mox Ruuga]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, I still think ME3 will allow you to a "second chance" to romance Liara or Kaidan/Ash for default players.

Since that might force the ME1 veterans to play the usual "meet, get familiar, boom love scene at the end" routine all over again just because the noobs need it, I'm not in favor. Somehow, I don't see the devs writing two different romances for three different characters...

But you might very well be right.

AND... if done right, tho unlikely, it might actually turn out to be a great. Who knows?

[TMA LIVE]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Anyways, I still think ME3 will allow you to a "second chance" to romance Liara or Kaidan/Ash for default players.

Since that might force the ME1 veterans to play the usual "meet, get familiar, boom love scene at the end" routine all over again just because the noobs need it, I'm not in favor. Somehow, I don't see the devs writing two different romances for three different characters...

But you might very well be right.

AND... if done right, tho unlikely, it might actually turn out to be a great. Who knows?

I'm just saying people change, characters change, and it wouldn't be fair to not allow fans and noods to have to play ME1 and ME2 just to get a romance with one character.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:10 .

[jlb524]

As long as the two versions of the ME3 romance are different enough, I'd be happy. I'm not sure what my criteria for 'different enough' is though, atm.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

As long as the two versions of the ME3 romance are different enough, I'd be happy. I'm not sure what my criteria for 'different enough' is though, atm.

As long as the end result doesn't end like Morrigan's romance, plus her DLC, I'm happy.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

As long as the two versions of the ME3 romance are different enough, I'd be happy. I'm not sure what my criteria for 'different enough' is though, atm.

As long as the end result doesn't end like Morrigan's romance, plus her DLC, I'm happy.

Given that it's the end of the trilogy and romance, a happy ending should be attainable.  I'm sure there will be other not-so happy endings, like one where Shepard gives the 'ultimate sacrifice' and dies, etc.  I've yet to play Witch Hunt, so am unsure of what happens there.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

As long as the two versions of the ME3 romance are different enough, I'd be happy. I'm not sure what my criteria for 'different enough' is though, atm.

As long as the end result doesn't end like Morrigan's romance, plus her DLC, I'm happy.

Given that it's the end of the trilogy and romance, a happy ending should be attainable.  I'm sure there will be other not-so happy endings, like one where Shepard gives the 'ultimate sacrifice' and dies, etc.  I've yet to play Witch Hunt, so am unsure of what happens there.

Spoilers:

Morrigan has a short cameo at the end, where she answers some questions that equal more questions then answers. She then is about to leave into a portal, but you have the option to say goodbye, or kill her, or go through a portal with her into another dimension (or another world), plus a short kiss. The end.

End Spoilers:

Actaully, I'm kind of worried that the ultimate sacrifice might lead to suicide with Liara, since that happened with "a certain character" in Dragon Age.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:34 .

[jlb524]

Ugh, I know...I really hope they don't do that with Liara. She has such a long long long life ahead of her. I also think it would be OOC, and ridiculous considering she didn't kill herself the first time Shepard died. I expect she would probably bury herself in her work for a few years, though, before moving on.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Ugh, I know...I really hope they don't do that with Liara. She has such a long long long life ahead of her. I also think it would be OOC, and ridiculous considering she didn't kill herself the first time Shepard died. I expect she would probably bury herself in her work for a few years, though, before moving on.

I don't know. She didn't want to let him go, and had a slim offer of his return. Plus she had Feron to fight for at the time. Now that that's over, and a promise was made, and then death again...

Believe it or not, I had a dream once that, after Shepard dies from natural causes, she kills herself by taking part in an operation where a hospital takes out her organs to be used for future patients. I was watching as a ghost, telling her to stop. It was very horrifying.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 07:44 .

[jlb524]

Oh, that sound like quite the grim nightmare....



I just don't see it happening. Liara's strong. She will grieve, of course, but will move on in time.



Both my Liara lovin Shepards would want her to move on after their death...they would be quite upset if she would do something harmful to herself. I would as a fan as well.



I just see her diving into the Shadow Broker business more, if she continues that.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

Oh, that sound like quite the grim nightmare....

Yeah, it was. I remember it quite well. She was sitting on a checkup bed wearing a hospital gown, filling out the final forms in order for the operation to happen. All she kept thinking about was not wanting to move on from Shepard, and wanted a faster way to be with him again that would be a benefit. I kept thinking about how I didn't want her to die like that with her last days under the knife, and being taken apart.

[jlb524]

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!



I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...
Imagine if someone went to that length, imports their Shep into ME3 and all a sudden the game makes out that they did go to Illium and helped Liara? Do you really think Bioware would implement such an idea?

Uh, yeah. That's exactly what I am saying. It's called "story-bridging" DLC for a very specific reason. It's a part of the ME series' narrative whether the player experiences it or not. Similarly, when an individual starts a default ME2 playthrough with no imported save, Shepard was always exposed to the Prothean beacon on Eden Prime, encountered the Rachni on Noveria, acquired the Cipher on Feros, rescued Liara on Therum, destroyed the genophage cure on Virmire, spoke to Vigil on Ilos, and killed Saren and became the saviour of the Citadel. Lair of the Shadow Broker will be implemented and incorporated into ME3 regardless of whether the player purchased and completed the DLC, as a default plot choice.

There's precedence for this too, concerning DLC. Bring Down the Sky is a part of the ME series canon, and a default ME2 playthrough will inform the player that Balak was killed, and the hostages were sacrificed. There's a reason as to why there are no variables in LotSB - to ease the process of it's implementation into ME3's story.

*sighs*

Default Shep is irrelevant to use as a comparison with regards my initial post about a ME2 Shep who doesn't do it.

ME import Shep isn't the same as Default Shep

As I said previously they MIGHT decide to have it that somehow thanks to some other help Liara did become the Shadow Broker. But it WON'T be a Shepard who didn't do it. A default ME3 Shep, maybe, but an Import Shep who didn't do LotSB won't have.

If Shep doesn't do BDtS it is mentioned that Kate Bowman died. HOWEVER if Shep DID do BDtS and killed Balak, then it talks of her dad holding a service for her. Two different things, just like with Wrex as previously mentioned. If Shep didn't kill Wrex due to not recruiting him, Wreav makes no mention of Wrex like he would if you did kill Wrex.

So by those 2 examples, in ME3, if a non-LotSB Shep Import meets up with Liara, she is most likely NOT going to talk to Shep as if Shep helped her become the Shadow Broker, if she is that. I still think there is the possibility for the Yahg to still be the Shadow Broker unless Liara explains getting help to deal with her situation.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

[jtav]

Actually, I can confirm that the service is mentioned even if BDtS was never installed. I fully expect the events of LotSB to be considered to have happened regardless of whether the DLC was installed.