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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

She might momentarily return to her position as the shadow broker? Just so she can focuse on something else than grieving?

[TMA LIVE]

jtav wrote...

Actually, I can confirm that the service is mentioned even if BDtS was never installed. I fully expect the events of LotSB to be considered to have happened regardless of whether the DLC was installed.

Yeah, but you imported a save file where you played it right?

Anyways, like I said, it doesn't say Shepard was involved.

[TMA LIVE]

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

She might momentarily return to her position as the shadow broker? Just so she can focuse on something else than grieving?

I was thinking more of her raising her daughter, since that the last thing of Shepard that's left.

[jlb524]

I think the best compromise and easiest thing for them to implement would be for Liara to become the Shadow Broker by the time ME3 starts no matter what.  If you played LotSB, then Shepard aided her and she may thank you for that again sometime in ME3.  If not played, then Shepard did not aid her, and she will have to briefly re-cap to her/him the events leading up to her defeating the yahg and over-taking his position.   Therefore, only a few dialog options will be different, but major plot points (like, who the SB is) will be the same across everyone's game. 

Liara not being the SB and doing something else, while the yahg remains in power, would just be too difficult for them to implement as a divergent path...unless Liara has a really small role in ME3.

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

But, she liked it.

Modifié par jlb524, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:26 .

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

I think the best compromise and easiest thing for them to implement would be for Liara to become the Shadow Broker by the time ME3 starts no matter what.  If you played LotSB, then Shepard aided her and she may thank you for that again sometime in ME3.  If not played, then Shepard did not aid her, and she will have to briefly re-cap to her/him the events leading up to her defeating the yahg and over-taking his position. 

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

But, she liked it.

People want Liara to do things they want, not what makes her happy.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

She might momentarily return to her position as the shadow broker? Just so she can focuse on something else than grieving?

I was thinking more of her raising her daughter, since that the last thing of Shepard that's left.

I also believe that Shepard and Liara will have children. Just that when Shepard finally dies of old age, the children will be fully grown up. And have already gone out to have their own life.

Perhaps becoming specters themselves?

Modifié par Lizardviking, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:27 .

[jlb524]

BDtS is a bad example anyway. It's really just a side quest and has no bearing on the main story whatsoever. Supposedly, LotSB will have an impact on the ME3 story and Liara's future character. There's no precedence for how BW will handle story-bridging DLC, as ME1 had none.

So, really, we are just guessing here.  However, it would be easier for them to deal with as few divergent paths as possible, especially a large one like, 'who's the Shadow Broker?'  or 'What's Liara up to know?"

Unless, the SB will have no tie in to ME3 and Liara will have a small role.

Modifié par jlb524, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:31 .

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I think the best compromise and easiest thing for them to implement would be for Liara to become the Shadow Broker by the time ME3 starts no matter what.  If you played LotSB, then Shepard aided her and she may thank you for that again sometime in ME3.  If not played, then Shepard did not aid her, and she will have to briefly re-cap to her/him the events leading up to her defeating the yahg and over-taking his position.   Therefore, only a few dialog options will be different, but major plot points (like, who the SB is) will be the same across everyone's game. 

Liara not being the SB and doing something else, while the yahg remains in power, would just be too difficult for them to implement as a divergent path...unless Liara has a really small role in ME3.

(Shepard gets broken out of prison by the Shadow Broker, who is revealed to be Liara)

Shepard: LIARA!? You're the... SHADOW BROKER!?

Liara: (cute laugh) Yes. I am. So... How are you doing?

Shepard: I'm... fine.... But... weren't you trying to kill him?!

Liara: Yes, and I did. It took a lot of hard work... no thanks to you. (gives the player an evil glare).

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 05 octobre 2010 - 08:33 .

[TMA LIVE]

kraidy1117 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I think the best compromise and easiest thing for them to implement would be for Liara to become the Shadow Broker by the time ME3 starts no matter what.  If you played LotSB, then Shepard aided her and she may thank you for that again sometime in ME3.  If not played, then Shepard did not aid her, and she will have to briefly re-cap to her/him the events leading up to her defeating the yahg and over-taking his position. 

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

No! Liara will be the Shadow Broker or go back to archaeology! No killing herself!

I guess we've discussed that a bit....what will she do after this mess is all done? Stay as the Shadow Broker, go into politics, return to her scientist roots?

I hope she doesn't go back to archaeology. Seemed boring.

But, she liked it.

People want Liara to do things they want, not what makes her happy.

Bah. That didn't make her happy. She just wanted to get the hell away from people, while learning some old stuff.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bah. That didn't make her happy. She just wanted to get the hell away from people, while learning some old stuff.

And...that made her happy.  She prefers her solitude. 

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jtav wrote...

Actually, I can confirm that the service is mentioned even if BDtS was never installed. I fully expect the events of LotSB to be considered to have happened regardless of whether the DLC was installed.

The audio files are on the disc. ME2 just reads your save file to tell it what happened. Another thing is Pinnacle Station. That also had a audio file, but was cut.

And again, IT DOESN'T MENTION SHEPARD'S INVOLVEMENT.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bah. That didn't make her happy. She just wanted to get the hell away from people, while learning some old stuff.

And...that made her happy.  She prefers her solitude. 

For 50 years? I think being hated on by her people made her want to hide away. That ain't happiness.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bah. That didn't make her happy. She just wanted to get the hell away from people, while learning some old stuff.

And...that made her happy.  She prefers her solitude. 

For 50 years? I think being hated on by her people made her want to hide away. That ain't happiness.

You are aware that some people just prefer to avoid others?  Prefer to spend time alone...Liara's one of them.

She's not a social butterfly.

[TMA LIVE]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...
The audio files are on the disc. ME2 just reads your save file to tell it what happened. Another thing is Pinnacle Station. That also had a audio file, but was cut.

And again, IT DOESN'T MENTION SHEPARD'S INVOLVEMENT.

And? There's no mention of Shepard's involvement in the Paragon version either. The generic term "Alliance soldiers" is used. What's your point?

Oh wait, you don't have a point. Just as usual.

Yes I do. It's that Liara could become the Shadow Broker without Shepard's involvement, and that Bring down the Sky doesn't prove otherwise.

[Mox Ruuga]

TMA LIVE wrote...

For 50 years? I think being hated on by her people made her want to hide away. That ain't happiness.

Where was it say she was "hated" on?

On the contrary, IIRC she hints that as daughter of the highly respected Benezia she felt pressured and rebelled against parental authority, or some such.

[jlb524]

I'm not sure what you two are disagreeing on, tbh....you seem to both think Liara will be the Shadow Broker in ME3 regardless of a player purchasing and completing LotSB or not, which is the important thing.



I don't think Shepard's involvement really matters. Like I said, it will change one conversation with her, and that's it.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Bah. That didn't make her happy. She just wanted to get the hell away from people, while learning some old stuff.

And...that made her happy.  She prefers her solitude. 

For 50 years? I think being hated on by her people made her want to hide away. That ain't happiness.

You are aware that some people just prefer to avoid others?  Prefer to spend time alone...Liara's one of them.

She's not a social butterfly.

They do that because they're always isolated and taken care of, or because they are picked on. Or both. Which is Liara, since she's a pure blood on the home world. You're not just born wanting to be alone. It's just how you grew up.

[TMA LIVE]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

For 50 years? I think being hated on by her people made her want to hide away. That ain't happiness.

Where was it say she was "hated" on?

On the contrary, IIRC she hints that as daughter of the highly respected Benezia she felt pressured and rebelled against parental authority, or some such.

I'm talking about her being a pure blood on the home world. Though they may have not said so to her face, I bet that didn't make her many friendships. Or any.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

They do that because they're always isolated and taken care of, or because they are picked on. Or both. Which is Liara, since she's a pure blood on the home world. You're not just born wanting to be alone. It's just how you grew up.

I don't think it matters what caused a person to prefer being alone, what matters is that they do and it makes them happy.

Do I think Liara was as happy as she could be?  No.  Do I think she was happy?  Yes.  You saw how excited she would get when she discussed the Protheans...she loved it.  This made her happy.

[John33935]

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