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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Those are some nice theories. Especially the part that Shepard might be regrouping and resupplying at the SB base between ME2 and ME3. And I hope that Bioware will use Feron as a way to make Liara be available as a squadmate in ME3, but even if that won't be the case, Liara is still secured a role as our new provider of intel ala TIM.

The knowlegde of the Protheans could be used again, but I have a feeling that the Protheans have given the current generation all they could, and the rest falls on them to achieve victory against the Reapers.

[GodWood]

Personally I believe Liara won't be/doesn't need to be a squaddie in ME3.

Bioware have set her up with a pretty important plot position as Shadow Broker and I believe she'll be more useful plotwise as Shepard's information gatherer ala TIM as opposed to just another gun on Shepard's team.

[pf17456]

jlb524 wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

I also think the residual effects of the Thorian on the colonists of Ferros may be useful in resisting indoctrination. Afterall the Thorian did manage to survive at least one Reaper invasion.

I wonder if the Cipher Shepard obtained from Shiala would assist with this?

pf17456 wrote...
I would think that prior to having Liara and Shepard incorporate SB systems onboard the Normandy involving EDI a decision will have to be made about ties to Cerebrus since TIM has listening devices installed throughout the Normandy and perhaps directly to EDI.

I personally hope Cerberus is out of the picture for good and TIM becomes your enemy in ME3 (regardless if the base was destroyed or not).   I can see TIM dropping  even a loyal Shepard if it's beneficial.

Cipher as I recall was a means of comprehending another being's perceptions so yes I could see that as being quite useful. The Thorian itself though seemed to have indoctrinating abilities comparable to those of Reapers which might be invaluable with regard to interaction with Reapers if it comes to that or if indoctrinating a Reaper is a possibility.



As far as Cerebrus is concerned I'm hoping that Legion can re-route Normandy's systems including EDI to either cut ties entirely with Cerebrus or provide them with false information but that's only because I have a somewhat negative opinion of Cerebrus due to their human dominance position and my Shepard's relationship with Liara.

[pf17456]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Personally I believe Liara won't be/doesn't need to be a squaddie in ME3.
Bioware have set her up with a pretty important plot position as Shadow Broker and I believe she'll be more useful plotwise as Shepard's information gatherer ala TIM as opposed to just another gun on Shepard's team.

Agreed. Without wishing to belittle or undermine Liara's considerable abilities as a combatant, there are a multitude of powerful biotics in the galaxy that Shepard could use on the frontline, and whom could be used as just another gun. However, Liara is unique in that she is the one person in the galaxy that has the ability to work as the Shadow Broker, and whom Shepard also implicitly trusts. In that sense, she will be invaluable in the forthcoming war and is far more useful working as Shepard's source of intelligence.

Of Course though there's the ' I need to know you're always coming back' motive that may prompt Liara to be by Shepard's side as insurance.

[adneate]

GodWood wrote...

Personally I believe Liara won't be/doesn't need to be a squaddie in ME3.
Bioware have set her up with a pretty important plot position as Shadow Broker and I believe she'll be more useful plotwise as Shepard's information gatherer ala TIM as opposed to just another gun on Shepard's team.

I agree to a point, once the combined fleet is assembled and the Reaper fleet moves into position I don't think there would be anything she could do as the SB. If the fleet doesn't win the battle against the Reapers then everyone in the galaxy is dead. If the worst comes to pass then it's better a buy it quickly and with someone you love or care about than alone on a ship in the middle of planet nowhere waiting for death to find you. Since Mass Effect is a game about shooting things the final battle will involve some kind of on foot attack that Shepard has to lead, probably against Harbringer itself while the fleet deals with the lesser reapers.

[Captain Iglo]

adneate wrote...

I agree to a point, once the combined fleet is assembled and the Reaper fleet moves into position I don't think there would be anything she could do as the SB. If the fleet doesn't win the battle against the Reapers then everyone in the galaxy is dead. If the worst comes to pass then it's better a buy it quickly and with someone you love or care about than alone on a ship in the middle of planet nowhere waiting for death to find you. Since Mass Effect is a game about shooting things the final battle will involve some kind of on foot attack that Shepard has to lead, probably against Harbringer itself while the fleet deals with the lesser reapers.

I think it will be quite comparable to Kotors end battle. where you run around on some ship or planet and are constantley informed about the battle via messages and cinematic sequences....where you also give some orders to the fleet and do some stuff that can turn the tide in the battle.
I agree that in this moment Liara can join you again as a squaddie...and for now I actually expect exactly that.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 28 septembre 2010 - 09:43 .

[Robbie529]

I find all of these theories very enlightening, and well thought out. I am wondering if feron will be a future squad mate?





And Mox Ruuga , who is the "VS" you are refering to? What did I miss? "No need to fret, because the only previous squaddie that I think will be full time is the VS."

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Robbie529 wrote...

I find all of these theories very enlightening, and well thought out. I am wondering if feron will be a future squad mate?


And Mox Ruuga , who is the "VS" you are refering to? What did I miss? "No need to fret, because the only previous squaddie that I think will be full time is the VS."

VS= Virmire survivor.

[Robbie529]

Thank you, Lizardvking, that makes good sense, we all miss Ash and Kaiden.

[AndroLeonidas]

Does Retribution cover any information about Shep and Liara? It does take place after ME2. And Anderson is Councilor now... does he relinguish this position to help in the book?

[adneate]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...
The Shadow Broker's network will be extremely useful, and virtually invalueable, but once the actual warfare begins Liara will want to be at Shepard's side, I feel. That, and the network will not be very useful at that point.

It could actually be a liabilty at that point, it likely contains force deployments, Mass Relay schedules and rally points that Liara and Shepard were working out. Organizing a fleet of tens of thousands of starships is a massive undertaking, particularily when you want them to all engage the enemy at one time in order to have a shot at victory, if the SB base is in the path of the Reapers while they advance to the ambush point then destruction of the base is the only sensible option.

[pf17456]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Yeah, I'm assuming that when the Reaper invasion is imminent and Shepard finds herself on the eve of battle, Liara will abandon her duties as the Shadow Broker and join her on the frontline. The Shadow Broker's network will be extremely useful, and virtually invalueable, but once the actual warfare begins Liara will want to be at Shepard's side, I feel. That, and the network will not be very useful at that point.

I'd say there isn't much in the universe that could keep her away from being by Shepard's side at that point

[Mkrgross]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Personally I believe Liara won't be/doesn't need to be a squaddie in ME3.
Bioware have set her up with a pretty important plot position as Shadow Broker and I believe she'll be more useful plotwise as Shepard's information gatherer ala TIM as opposed to just another gun on Shepard's team.

Agreed. Without wishing to belittle or undermine Liara's considerable abilities as a combatant, there are a multitude of powerful biotics in the galaxy that Shepard could use on the frontline, and whom could be used as just another gun. However, Liara is unique in that she is the one person in the galaxy that has the ability to work as the Shadow Broker, and whom Shepard also implicitly trusts. In that sense, she will be invaluable in the forthcoming war and is far more useful working as Shepard's source of intelligence.

Story aside, Bioware already built her charcter for gameplay. I believe it is very likely we will see her, at the very least, a temporary squaddie.

[AndroLeonidas]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

AndroLeonidas wrote...

Does Retribution cover any information about Shep and Liara? It does take place after ME2. And Anderson is Councilor now... does he relinguish this position to help in the book?

Nothing is mentioned of the Shadow Broker/Liara in Retribution, but it is confirmed that Shepard has dropped off the grid during the events of the book. I theorise that Shep is hiding out with Liara at her base, planning their next course of action in order to combat the Reapers.

Anderson? It seems that Udina is now Councilor regardless of Shepard's choice. I think we're assuming that, had the player selected Anderson, he resigns his position from the Council, and Udina takes over in his stead.

If Udina has assumed that role then another wrench has been tossed into the machine. Interesting.

[starwarschewy]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

adneate wrote...

It could actually be a liabilty at that point, it likely contains force deployments, Mass Relay schedules and rally points that Liara and Shepard were working out. Organizing a fleet of tens of thousands of starships is a massive undertaking, particularily when you want them to all engage the enemy at one time in order to have a shot at victory, if the SB base is in the path of the Reapers while they advance to the ambush point then destruction of the base is the only sensible option.

Indeed. It's crucial that the Reaper fleet do not seize control of the Shadow Broker's network, and the wealth of knowledge it contains. I actually believe that it will be one of their targets, and that Shepard and the fleet may have to protect it at some point and, if necessary, initiate a self-destruct mechanism.

If that occurs, then Liara will obviously return to the Normandy and will resume her role as a squadmate.

this is what im hoping for and i think this would be great

[jlb524]

I expect Liara will not be a squad mate for most of the game, but will join late and after you've reached a certain point in the game, similar to Legion in ME2.



As mentioned by Mkrgross, they did put some effort into making her a squad mate in the DLC, why not use her later on as a squad mate?

[bjdbwea]

It seems that it should be a matter of course that Liara will play an important role in ME 3 as the new SB. And I'm quite sure that she'll be in that position regardless of whether you played LotSB or not. Everything else would mean an unreasonable amount of additional work, or once again sidelining her despite her important position (which we all hope will not happen again). I also think that she will remain inside her new base during most of ME 3.

The most important things for ME 3?

The romance should continue properly, and as beautifully as in LotSB. It's not necessary for her to be a companion for that, and I don't think that she will be, even though I would of course prefer it. Bad writing like in ME 2 should not happen again, to any important character.

The romance needs to have a nice conclusion. There should not be a mandatory "sacrifice" ending. It goes without saying that "Liara becomes corrupted by the power" must also not be an inevitable event without Shepard being able to prevent it, if Shepard chooses to do so.

And I for one would like if there's a chance for her to stop being the SB at the end of ME 3, once the reapers are defeated. As much as I like LotSB, I would have preferred if all the events leading to it had never happened. In fact, I disagree with people who say that Liara has completely changed. LotSB shows that there's still much of her old character left. And, despite her words, I like to think that being the SB is not what she really wants to do, but more a thing that she thinks is necessary right now. I would like if she went back to being an archeologist or scientist.

[jlb524]

If you had indeed romanced Liara, I'm sure they can add in some chances for you to discuss it with her if they force you to go to the SB base at certain periods throughout the game (to retrieve info or whatever) if she isn't a squad mate.



Even non-romanced, these opportunities can allow you to talk to her more and see how things are going. It's not really different from her being on the Normandy, accept you just have to fly to Hagalaz to talk with her.

[pf17456]

It seems everyone wants to see Liara back as a squadmate and although I'd love to be able to select her in my squad for every mission (and I would) I have to consider her current position and what it means to her as an autonomous individual on equal footing with Shepard capable of giving and taking as a partner rather than someone in a position of taking orders as a squadmate. I don't know of a way to reconcile this. If her base gets destroyed or she gets in over her head then her autonomy does as well and Shepard will have once again saved her leaving her in a position of being the 'cowering' Asari from ME1 that she wants to leave behind. I think for Liara at this point, becoming a squadmate would not come without a price. I kind of like her where she is in the position she has, 'her dream job' and that's not to say that Feron couldn't babysit the base while Liara joined Shepard for a time. The conclusion of the trilogy I don't think matters so much since they could both quit their jobs and do something else but I'd hate to see Liara loose what she's gained as a character during the game just to be a squadmate.