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[jlb524]

I would be surprised if the Reapers (or, more likely an agent of theirs) didn't go after Liara and the SB base at some time in ME3. I just hope nothing bad happens to Liara

[Pwnisher]

I don't think anything bad will happen to Liara, she's too awesome for that to happen.

[vigna]

thekook78 wrote...

One thing that found interesting in ME1 was the planet with ancient ruins:
Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."

Liara as the Shadow Broker would have immense resources to track down any information or artifacts that were pillaged from this site. I think this might be the key Shepard would be looking for to defeat the Reapers. Perhaps the Protheans found out who these "beings' are. This could be the information Liara refers to when she said the previous Shadow Broker had theories about additional Prothean sites.

With Liara's position she could relay information and we could have quest closer to KotOR like Revan searching for the Starforge maps. Kind of a dark, galactic Indiana Jones.... maybe.... 

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I'm glad all that that background info and data mining and codec reading from ME1 and 2 has paid off. I'm also interested in the fact that the Mass effect relays could be used like rail guns...as weapons against the Reapers.

I'm sure the protheans or beings of light or whatever...will come up in ME3, and Liara will be a part of it.

[vigna]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

I think Dark Energy will play a role in Mass Effect 3 as either the means to stop the Reapers or is their reason for their actions or part of their origin.

This too.....I imagine that could get rid of large chunks of the Reaper invasion fleet.

[vigna]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Oh, and the fact that one of the main objectives of the trilogy thus far, especially the Paragon route, seems to be constructing a powerful war effort either knowingly or unknowingly, seems to suggest that these various factions will prove useful in the forthcoming Reaper war.

Already we have Liara, and her vast resources of intelligence and information that she can provide. In terms of combatants, the Rachni Queen has promised to come to Shepard's aid when the Reapers finally arrive. Legion has confirmed that the geth collective oppose the Reapers, and will ally themselves with organics in the inevitable war. It's heavily implied that Wrex's work in strengthening the krogan will be invaluable. There are going to be many different facets to this forthcoming Reaper war, and a combination of Liara's intelligence network and powerful combatants will be vital.

Playing the Devil's Advocate: How will this work for new players in the series? They have not gathered these allies and thus would have a hard time winning the game.

Well, Wrex is dead (canon), and your sex determines who dies on Virmire (I believe), didn't the Rachni Queen also die in ME2 canon new character/non-imported? All of these things depend on how they start ME3....the canon when creating a new Shepard.

Modifié par vigna, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:06 .

[jlb524]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In the past, I have actually wondered if Liara's "unkillable" status will continue throughout ME3, and that she is guaranteed to survive through the trilogy. I speculate that this might be the case for many reasons, one of which is that for any spin-off ME game set centuries after the events of ME3, Liara could make a cameo appearance, and provide a link back to the original trilogy. No other character provides this possibility.

It's true.  It would be nice if they do this.  She couldn't have a huge role (as they'd have to make some things about Shepard canon) but she could show up in a scene or two.

[bjdbwea]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In the past, I have actually wondered if Liara's "unkillable" status will continue throughout ME3, and that she is guaranteed to survive through the trilogy. I speculate that this might be the case for many reasons, one of which is that for any spin-off ME game set centuries after the events of ME3, Liara could make a cameo appearance, and provide a link back to the original trilogy. No other character provides this possibility.

I wouldn't mind if every important character in ME 3 could theoretically be killed (hopefully in a better written way than in ME 2), but no death should be mandatory. Shepard should be able to save everyone (or at least deliberately choose whom to save, like on Virmire), and achieve a happy ending, if the player makes the right decisions.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 01 octobre 2010 - 12:57 .

[Captain Iglo]

Edit: lol didnt notice LES wrote the exact thought I have already some posts earlier:

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

In
the past, I have actually wondered if Liara's "unkillable" status will
continue throughout ME3, and that she is guaranteed to survive through
the trilogy. I speculate that this might be the case for many reasons,
one of which is that for any spin-off ME game set centuries after the
events of ME3, Liara could make a cameo appearance, and provide a link
back to the original trilogy. No other character provides this
possibility.

So I also would love to see this happen.

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 01 octobre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I never really got the feeling that Liara was safe in the Shadow Broker's base. Something will probably happen to her at some point. The original Shadow Broker had a lot of allies and agents: who's to say they won't notice something wrong with the 'Shadow Broker' over time? And if they do, they won't just stand in there and do nothing.

Liara's safest bet would be moving to the Normandy with all; you know, having a position similar to Mordin's.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Zulu_DFA]

jlb524 wrote...

[*]Liara (as the Shadow Broker) now has enough power and resources to help fund Shepard's mission against the Reapers in ME3 (similar to how TIM/Cerberus did in ME2).  It is possible she could act as the main quest giver in ME3.  I'm under the impression that the SB has always been more powerful/wealthy than Cerberus.

Well, LOTSB proved one thing: TIM had better Spectres doing the wet work for him, than TSB.

Given this, it seems likely that Shepard will cut ties with Cerberus at some point.  Some Shepards (mine, for example) have already cut ties with the Council and Shepard's relationship to the Alliance is still rocky.

All ties will be cut by a force outside of Shepard's control. That's because ME3 will need an equal start for paragon alien lovers and renegade Cerberus loyalists.

Even if the Alliance is willing to aid Shepard in ME3, I doubt they have the resources that Liara (the SB) posesses, nor would the Alliance be able to spend all their efforts in stopping the Reapers.

The Alliance have more resources than Liara, but they won't be helping much - see below.

The Shadow Broker also had intelligence on the Protheans.  This data may be more meaningful to Liara than the ex-SB, given her expertise in the field.

Possibly.

Thus, it seems to me that Liara will be extremely important to Shepard's war effort come ME3.  One thing that concerns some is that she may not be able to join Shepard on the squad in ME3 if she has this vital role to fulfill.  One idea is that Feron could temporarily take over and run the base while Liara joins Shepard.  Others have speculated that Liara could simply move her base of operations to the Normandy.  EDI would be of valuable help to her.

Liara will definitely join Shepard for the full lenght of ME3. With Feron. She'll assume the Miranda's position - guide in a couple of first missions and "second in command" for the rest of it.

For those that have read Retribution, we know that Shepard has fallen off the grid....the Alliance has no clue where the Commander has gone to.  One theory I've had is that Shepard is hanging out on the Shadow Broker's base, possibly preparing resources and intelligence for the upcoming war.  Another idea is that Shepard is wanted by the Council/Alliance for something and is hiding out.  Now, if it's the Alliance, I suspect we may be seeing this plot play out in a future DLC.

Quite possibly the "overwhelming force" that'd cut all ties will be the Alliance itself - locking Shepard up, maybe even as a result of the Cerberus witch hunt triggered by Anderson.

Given the last point I made, I think Liara's past Prothean expertise will come in handy again in ME3.  It's possible that the old SB found the location of another major, lost Prothean research center similar to Ilos.  This place may hold a key secret needed to stop the Reapers once and for all.

Yeah, it's about time we learn the whole truth about the Protheans. However, I think it will be quite unexpected and depressing. And it will happen on Ilos itself, the "Troy" planet which Liara expressed the wish to revisit.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 01 octobre 2010 - 03:51 .

[hamtyl07]

i say put liara back on the team and leave the duties of the shawdow brokers liar to feron and that VI but thats just my opinion

[Fiery Phoenix]

I see where you're coming from, Les. So basically, as long as their business is going, they don't care what has or has not happened.

Modifié par FieryPhoenix7, 01 octobre 2010 - 04:51 .

[ashwind]

I think Shepard will die winning the War in ME3 without the extra forces - that way, those who play ME3 will buy ME1 and ME2 simply to get the best ending XD (See how they make all the worst possible decisions for you in ME2 if you dont have ME1 - I mean Let the Council die and make Udina the counselor?? Why dont Shepard just shoot himself - luckily I have my save games)



ME1 you get the Rachni/Krogan and ME2 you get the Quarian and the Geth (ME3 maybe you can finally workout a way for Quarian and Geth to coexists and allow the Quarian to return to their home world)

[AndroLeonidas]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's true.  It would be nice if they do this.  She couldn't have a huge role (as they'd have to make some things about Shepard canon) but she could show up in a scene or two.

Indeed. Even if her appearance in a hypothetical spin-off game is little more than a brief cameo, she'd still provide a link back to the original trilogy. Liara could appear as a powerful, influential and wealthy Matriarch, whom will also make a few vague, ambiguous and generic comments about Shepard that can apply to the playthroughs of all players.

I read a comment on some gaming sight how a new ME game could be based on Shepard and Liara's child as a Spectre. Following in her father's footsteps and Liara could then make cameos.

[pf17456]

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

i say put liara back on the team and leave the duties of the shawdow brokers liar to feron and that VI but thats just my opinion

Yeah, that's a definite possibility. They've obviously got something planned for Feron, as he's guaranteed to survive the events of LotSB. It's also interesting that it's made clear that he is "still recovering". Upon regaining his health, Feron's presence could facilitate Liara eventually returning to the Normandy, and becoming a squadmate once again.

Or at least afford Liara the chance to leave the base periodically.

[Gokuthegrate]

pf17456 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

i say put liara back on the team and leave the duties of the shawdow brokers liar to feron and that VI but thats just my opinion

Yeah, that's a definite possibility. They've obviously got something planned for Feron, as he's guaranteed to survive the events of LotSB. It's also interesting that it's made clear that he is "still recovering". Upon regaining his health, Feron's presence could facilitate Liara eventually returning to the Normandy, and becoming a squadmate once again.

Or at least afford Liara the chance to leave the base periodically.

Liara should join the crew for ME3.
Feron and the VI can handle giving info to Shep while shes away. Couldnt they install EDI on the SB ship if you leave Cerberus.

[TMA LIVE]

AndroLeonidas wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

It's true.  It would be nice if they do this.  She couldn't have a huge role (as they'd have to make some things about Shepard canon) but she could show up in a scene or two.

Indeed. Even if her appearance in a hypothetical spin-off game is little more than a brief cameo, she'd still provide a link back to the original trilogy. Liara could appear as a powerful, influential and wealthy Matriarch, whom will also make a few vague, ambiguous and generic comments about Shepard that can apply to the playthroughs of all players.

I read a comment on some gaming sight how a new ME game could be based on Shepard and Liara's child as a Spectre. Following in her father's footsteps and Liara could then make cameos.

That's more of a fan's wish game. I read someone write that up here. It was what they hope will happen.

Anyways, hopefully Liara will be ok. Liara has an obsessive personality, whether it's with a person or work, or both. And being alone in isolation with nothing but work can really mess with you, which is why she wants Shepard to visit as much as he/she can.

Think they'll webcam each other?

[pf17456]

Gokuthegrate wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

i say put liara back on the team and leave the duties of the shawdow brokers liar to feron and that VI but thats just my opinion

Yeah, that's a definite possibility. They've obviously got something planned for Feron, as he's guaranteed to survive the events of LotSB. It's also interesting that it's made clear that he is "still recovering". Upon regaining his health, Feron's presence could facilitate Liara eventually returning to the Normandy, and becoming a squadmate once again.

Or at least afford Liara the chance to leave the base periodically.

Liara should join the crew for ME3.
Feron and the VI can handle giving info to Shep while shes away. Couldnt they install EDI on the SB ship if you leave Cerberus.

I'd like to see Liara join the crew too..... Sometimes

[TMA LIVE]

Gokuthegrate wrote...

pf17456 wrote...

LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

hamtyl07 wrote...

i say put liara back on the team and leave the duties of the shawdow brokers liar to feron and that VI but thats just my opinion

Yeah, that's a definite possibility. They've obviously got something planned for Feron, as he's guaranteed to survive the events of LotSB. It's also interesting that it's made clear that he is "still recovering". Upon regaining his health, Feron's presence could facilitate Liara eventually returning to the Normandy, and becoming a squadmate once again.

Or at least afford Liara the chance to leave the base periodically.

Liara should join the crew for ME3.
Feron and the VI can handle giving info to Shep while shes away. Couldnt they install EDI on the SB ship if you leave Cerberus.

I think I'd rather someone that knows how to make business choices and detective work run the Shadow Broker business then an AI or some street trader. The Shadow Broker business does deal with "who to leak to who", and who gets screwed over, and who makes a profit. I doubt you want to leave that to a machine, so you can bang your girlfriend, and take her on suicide missions. Because bad business means no business, or it means you're ruining the wrong lives.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 01 octobre 2010 - 10:49 .