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[GodWood]

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Yet you'll save the genophage cure as it'd help defeat the Reapers despite the fact that it'd most likely create a repeat of the krogan rebellions. (and thats probably before the Reapers even show up)

Apparently Krogans can reproduce very rapidly, but now you are exaggerating...

Hmm, that depends on when the Reapers are going to show up.

The point still stands though.

[fongiel24]

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Yet you'll save the genophage cure as it'd help defeat the Reapers despite the fact that it'd most likely create a repeat of the krogan rebellions. (and thats probably before the Reapers even show up)

Apparently Krogans can reproduce very rapidly, but now you are exaggerating...

It's not an exaggeration, it's a conclusion based on what is said about the krogan in ME2. Mordin states that the STG ran hundreds of simulations, every one of which predicted that krogan adaptation to the genophage would result in war.

[Zulu_DFA]

GodWood wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
As for the "cool aliens", meh. I never agreed with the Rachni genocide or anything that was done to the Krogan.

Your one of those people who saved the genophage cure, aren't you?

Every.  Damn.  Time.
If nothing else, it could be the key to getting their help against the Reapers later.

So let me get this straight..

You won't give the Collector Base to Cerberus/ally with them (despite them being a useful ally against the Reapers)  because you think Cerberus would take over the galaxy and that'd be a worse fate then being wiped out by the Reapers.
Yet you'll save the genophage cure as it'd help defeat the Reapers despite the fact that it'd most likely create a repeat of the krogan rebellions. (and thats probably before the Reapers even show up)

Is that about right?

Hard to say when the Reapers are going to show up... But the simulations were clear. That's quite a solid evidence to go by, when making decisions about the genophage. Unlike the case of Cerberus, whose overtaking the Galaxy and exterminating every sentient being not being Cerberus is nothing but a... disingenuous assumption by the alien sympathizers.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 30 septembre 2010 - 09:47 .

[Barquiel]

fongiel24 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Yet you'll save the genophage cure as it'd help defeat the Reapers despite the fact that it'd most likely create a repeat of the krogan rebellions. (and thats probably before the Reapers even show up)

Apparently Krogans can reproduce very rapidly, but now you are exaggerating...

It's not an exaggeration, it's a conclusion based on what is said about the krogan in ME2. Mordin states that the STG ran hundreds of simulations, every one of which predicted that krogan adaptation to the genophage would result in war.

I also think there will be a "second krogan rebellion" (if Shep cures them)...but not before the reapers show up.
We don't know how much time will pass between ME2 and ME3...but more than 2-3 years would surprise me, and that's not enough time to build a fleet.

Modifié par Barquiel, 30 septembre 2010 - 09:45 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Barquiel wrote...

fongiel24 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Yet you'll save the genophage cure as it'd help defeat the Reapers despite the fact that it'd most likely create a repeat of the krogan rebellions. (and thats probably before the Reapers even show up)

Apparently Krogans can reproduce very rapidly, but now you are exaggerating...

It's not an exaggeration, it's a conclusion based on what is said about the krogan in ME2. Mordin states that the STG ran hundreds of simulations, every one of which predicted that krogan adaptation to the genophage would result in war.

I also think there will be a "second krogan rebellion" (if Shep cures them)...but not before the reapers show up.
We don't know how much time will pass between ME2 and ME3...but more than 2-3 years would surprise me, and that's not enough time to build a fleet.

That's metagaming. You as player know that IT has to happen in Commander Shepard's timeline, and doubt that he gets iced for a couple of centuries. But in-game, after ME1 Shepard has to assume that he must make arrangements to the Galaxy that would work in a very long run.

[Barquiel]

I know...and they are not cured in my universe. I just don't think they'll attack before the reapers show up (if cured).

Modifié par Barquiel, 30 septembre 2010 - 09:54 .

[jbblue05]

I hope if you cure the Krogan the turians and salarians will get what's coming to them.

The Krogans will never forgive them for the Genophage

[Zulu_DFA]

jbblue05 wrote...

I hope if you cure the Krogan the turians and salarians will get what's coming to them.
The Krogans will never forgive them for the Genophage

Hell, I have to admit, in all our - my and my Shepard's - Cerberus loyalty, neither of us though it this way... damn paragon pansy shame.

Oh well, looks like the Turian and Salarian subjects in the Galactic Empire of Man will be safe and sound.

[mosor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

I hope if you cure the Krogan the turians and salarians will get what's coming to them.
The Krogans will never forgive them for the Genophage

Hell, I have to admit, in all our - my and my Shepard's - Cerberus loyalty, neither of us though it this way... damn paragon pansy shame.

Oh well, looks like the Turian and Salarian subjects in the Galactic Empire of Man will be safe and sound.

Ha ha, I'm in the same boat. Though in the shadow broker vids, Urdnot Korsk shows us that salarians make great varren chow. At least I know now what to feed Urz if he ever gets tired of pyjaks!

[Arijharn]

I'd be like: "Wrex, okay so you've cured the Genophage, but now to offset your population explosion you must institute pure Colosseum type gladitorial pits of mass participants... You know, so the Salarians and Turians don't get afraid of you again"

[jbblue05]

Shandepared wrote...

Curing the genophage would ruin everything Wrex is trying to do. His entire system is based on the value of females, but if the genophage is cured their value will suddenly drop.

THIS!
The Krogans will go back to fighting each other and wind up having another nuclear winter

[gethspy]

Damnit Anderson, the thing I like about you just ****ed things up

[Arijharn]

Shandepared wrote...

Curing the genophage would ruin everything Wrex is trying to do. His entire system is based on the value of females, but if the genophage is cured their value will suddenly drop.

True, but I think it's dismissive of Wrex to assume automatically that he couldn't adapt to changing circumstances. You're idea's of his character could be very different to mine, but I always thought that Wrex was, while not a genius, pretty smart and especially 'world wise.'

[Pacifien]

Real life sociopolitical issues do not blend with gaming forums, particularly when it veers way off track from the topic of this thread and especially when you start arguing about each others opinions of those issues as opposed to how they relate to the game. Also, I'm failing to see how the past several pages are focusing on Captain Anderson's role. This is your warning to get back on topic.

[Arijharn]

You know, I've been thinking and this'd probably cement any negative feelings people would probably feel towards me considering I make no secret the fact that I am pro-humanist but:



If I was ordered by the Alliance or hell, Cerberus, to assassinate Anderson for 'rocking the boat' or compromising Alliance sovereignty, I'd do it. I like Anderson, but he's probably set things in motion that would seriously screw up Alliance relations (at all levels) because of a lack of fore-thought. The Turian Hierarchy did not have to be involved with a Cerberus witch-hunt.

[Arijharn]

Oh sure, I'd chew him out... I may even be tempted to lie to my superiors that I did indeed deal with Anderson, because it's such an ignoble way for him to go out.

[Casuist]

"Well, sure TIM is a terrorist, but he helped me out after making sure I was deprived of other allies. Evil, depraved, but damn we can't do without him."

"Anderson... sure he's the only reason I made it to Ilos in time, but what has he done for me lately? Can I kill him, please?"

Modifié par Casuist, 01 octobre 2010 - 04:09 .

[Foolsfolly]

jbblue05 wrote...

For those who read Mass Effect Retribution

You find out Anderson is working with the Turians to take down Cerberus
The Turians severly cripple but don't eliminate Cerberus.

The turians arrest Alliance officals with ties to Cerberus, arrest Cerberus operatives. take over Cerberus stations recovering all their data, interrogate companies that are funding Cerberus whom are also funded by the Alliance or fund the Alliance.

Anybody else think Anderson might have inadvertently betrayed the Alliance?

The data the Turians get from Cerberus might be enough evidence to charge the Alliance with treason to the Council
I'm thinking the Alliance is going to be mad at Anderson for making them look weak and getting some of their top officials arrested and further connecting the Alliance with Cerberus

Thoughts?

If the Alliance is corrupt and he brings down corrupt politians and military men who have ties to a known terrorist group then that's not treason, that's justice.

Besides, in my mind Anderson's a Council Member...he's got responsibilies to both Council and Alliance.

[JMA22TB]

if this is true, then either way Shepard is screwed - Cerberus is a lot weaker so the Council, human or otherwise, has a reason to put down the politically toxic liability. If you were a Paragon, reinstated, etc. they'll just apologize before they do it.



Of course, with Liara as the new Shadow Broker our ace is in the hole. She'll use the resources to break Shepard out of the Citadel at the start of ME3 =)

[Casuist]

Shandepared wrote...

Casuist wrote...

"Well, sure TIM is a terrorist, but he helped me out after making sure I was deprived of other allies. Evil, depraved, but damn we can't do without him."

"Anderson... sure he's the only reason I made it to Ilos in time, but what has he done for me lately? Can I kill him, please?"

Yeah, and TIM's the only reason you are even alive and the only reason you were able to stop the Collectors.

Biased much?

Laughably missing the point much? I did (and always have) acknowledge TIM's assistance... however, that assistance is the fundamental reason why many in this thread are defending him despite a long history of despicable acts including , 33% of the time, an unprovoked attack that could have killed our main character and rendered this discussion fairly moot. When the same people who use that justification discard it when it happens to involve one of those sissy paragon NPCs, it's pretty funny.

...that and the fact that neither you nor anyone else has presented another viable option for Anderson removing Cerberus other the actions he took.