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[Nibroc17]

Why would they go to Earth
Don't you think if Alliance officials, Alliance corporations are interrogated the Alliance is going to start asking questions.
In Retribution the Turian Ambassador Orinia is trying to avoid a political controversey with the Alliance stalling them so the Turians can finish their investigation.  Which means the Alliance is pissed off and wants answers.
Anderson is not as high ranking as you want to believe he's just a rear admiral.  I wouldn't say his in the "inner circel" 
If he's a councilor he's doing a poor job representing Humanity
Me:2 you:1

What are they gonna do complain to the Council that one of there Rear Admiral's who's a highly decorated soldier
worked with the Turian's to make a move against the Alliance's biggest PR problem?? Your serious?

Modifié par Nibroc17, 28 septembre 2010 - 10:54 .

[mopotter]

AntiChri5 wrote...

It's called cleaning house.
It's a good thing.

I agree.  A very good thing.  

[jbblue05]

Nibroc17 wrote...

Why would they go to Earth
Don't you think if Alliance officials, Alliance corporations are interrogated the Alliance is going to start asking questions.
In Retribution the Turian Ambassador Orinia is trying to avoid a political controversey with the Alliance stalling them so the Turians can finish their investigation.  Which means the Alliance is pissed off and wants answers.
Anderson is not as high ranking as you want to believe he's just a rear admiral.  I wouldn't say his in the "inner circel" 
If he's a councilor he's doing a poor job representing Humanity
Me:2 you:1

What are they gonna do complain to the Council that one of there Rear Admiral's who's a highly decorated soldier
worked with the Turian's to make a move against the Alliance's biggest PR problem?? Your serious?

Are you serious?
Do you see how the Alliance connections with Cerberus is going to make the Alliance look even  worse because of what the turians find out
The Alliance is pissed off in Retribution  about the Turians actions.
What are you failing to see?
Saren was a decorated spectre but he eventually lost his immunity

[mopotter]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

GodWood wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Anderson's no longer councilor

 he's still councilor in my game... 

No he's not, he quits his job in Retribution.

as councilor or as captain? maybe that means he's captain anderson again in mass effect 3, of a bigger and better star ship where as commander sheperd can still operate as commanding officer/spectre who can command pointed navigations (aswell as take command or orders from anderson for certain missions).

He quit the council job.  I'd think he left the Alliance military when he took the job with the council but don't know.  I also hope he has a bigger role in ME3, but most of my Shepards, while willing to help the Aliance, no longer takes orders from them.   

[Whatever42]

Considering that the Council does zero, zip, nada to help the Alliance with anything, I say the Alliance arrests Anderson and leaves the Citadel. Alliance already proved they can whip the Turians and as long as you purge all your worlds of Salarians to keep them dropping anything in the water supply, they are a limited threat. Then the Alliance can build up their forces properly.



And its not like the Council would do anything to get in humanity's way; they are so ridiculously timid and afraid of any instability that humanity could do anything it wanted outside of council space.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

mopotter wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

GodWood wrote...

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Anderson's no longer councilor

 he's still councilor in my game... 

No he's not, he quits his job in Retribution.

as councilor or as captain? maybe that means he's captain anderson again in mass effect 3, of a bigger and better star ship where as commander sheperd can still operate as commanding officer/spectre who can command pointed navigations (aswell as take command or orders from anderson for certain missions).

He quit the council job.  I'd think he left the Alliance military when he took the job with the council but don't know.  I also hope he has a bigger role in ME3, but most of my Shepards, while willing to help the Aliance, no longer takes orders from them.   

maybe he'll become a admiral... 

[Inquisitor Recon]

So I gave Anderson the job, he quits, and then he makes things worse for the Systems Alliance and causes severe damage to Cerberus which is a group actually doing something about the reapers? I knew I should have gone with Udina...

[Flamewielder]

The Alliance brass is understandably pissed: I doubt the US government would be happy if the Secretary of State had secretely asked the Canadian Security & Intelligence Service to investigate and prosecute american corporations suspected of gun running for some anti-american terrorist organization... It's a matter of sovereignty; even anti-Cerberus Alliance officials would be angry.

What else have the Turians discovered in their investigation? How much intelligence regarding the Alliance military and strategic planning was revealed to them? Will this provide some kind of marketing advantage to Turian corporations competing with Human ones? Will the Turians use this knowledge to better position themselves to compete against the Humans in the colonization race?

We understand what motivated Anderson, but most Alliance officials have dismissed the Reaper threat as Geth disinformation. Anderson may look good as far as the Coucil is concerned, but he's made ennemies among his own government (even among anti-Cerberus brass).

Modifié par Flamewielder, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:48 .

[Eradyn]

The truth is, Anderson is the reaper leader, working to dismantle the human threat from the inside out with the aid of humanity's (not so) secret arch-nemesis...the turians. In fact, Anderson was meant to be the driving persona of the baby reaper Shepard destroyed. Why couldn't we, the readers/players foresee this? Because his indoctrination is that good. No one else could get away with the actions he committed and STILL become a person of great authority without powerful indoctrination abilities.





On a serious note, I fully expect some sort of betrayal from Anderson or someone else in a position of trust and authority (for Shepard). I wouldn't be surprised if Anderson did it for what he felt was the "greater good."

[Inquisitor Recon]

I expect Anderson, his political allies, and the Systems Alliance brass to be building the strongest fleet in the whole galaxy. I want hundreds of cruisers with Thanix Cannons, Javelin Disruptor Torpedoes, and whatever else we've been working on. Instead he goes on a crusade against Cerberus who has done some good against the reapers.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

Flamewielder wrote...

The Alliance brass is understandably pissed: I doubt the US government would be happy if the Secretary of State had secretely asked the Canadian Security & Intelligence Service to investigate and prosecute american corporations suspected of gun running for some anti-american terrorist organization... It's a matter of sovereignty; even anti-Cerberus Alliance officials would be angry.

What else have the Turians discovered in their investigation? How much intelligence regarding the Alliance military and strategic planning was revealed to them? Will this provide some kind of marketing advantage to Turian corporations competing with Human ones? Will the Turians use this knowledge to better position themselves to compete against the Humans in the colonization race?

We understand what motivated Anderson, but most Alliance officials have dismissed the Reaper threat as Geth disinformation. Anderson may look good as far as the Coucil is concerned, but he's made ennemies among his own government (even among anti-Cerberus brass).

soooooooooooo?

[jbblue05]

Flamewielder wrote...

The Alliance brass is understandably pissed: I doubt the US government would be happy if the Secretary of State had secretely asked the Canadian Security & Intelligence Service to investigate and prosecute american corporations suspected of gun running for some anti-american terrorist organization... It's a matter of sovereignty; even anti-Cerberus Alliance officials would be angry.

What else have the Turians discovered in their investigation? How much intelligence regarding the Alliance military and strategic planning was revealed to them? Will this provide some kind of marketing advantage to Turian corporations competing with Human ones? Will the Turians use this knowledge to better position themselves to compete against the Humans in the colonization race?

We understand what motivated Anderson, but most Alliance officials have dismissed the Reaper threat as Geth disinformation. Anderson may look good as far as the Coucil is concerned, but he's made ennemies among his own government (even among anti-Cerberus brass).

Thank You

People only seem to care that Cerberus is attacked
And don't understand how disastrous this can turn out for the Alliance

[Eldareus]

Sort of on topic, how much bearing do these books have on the actual games? Will this storyline carry over into ME3 or is the book fiction separate from the storylines told in the games?

[Asheer_Khan]

Eldareus wrote...

Sort of on topic, how much bearing do these books have on the actual games? Will this storyline carry over into ME3 or is the book fiction separate from the storylines told in the games?

It's really hard to say.

Revelation have strong influence at ME 1 since book writer and game lead witer ws this same, after  lead writers change (Drew Karpyshyn was appointed as lead writer for SW ToR MMO) Ascension didn't have an serious impact on ME 2 except mention of cerbrus raid on Migrant Fleet, and how large influence Retribution will have on ME 3 events it's really difficult to say.

[Liec]

Does anybody think that Keiji's greybox info has something to do with this?



It could be that ME3 starts with the alliance unwelcome in council space.

[jbblue05]

Shandepared wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Anybody else think Anderson might have inadvertently betrayed the Alliance?

I think the only thing keeping Anderson out of a court marshal and prison is his fame.

So true

I can't believe Anderson would be stupid enough to have the Turians solve the Alliance problems

[wizardryforever]

jbblue05 wrote...
I can't believe Anderson would be stupid enough to have the Turians solve the Alliance problems

You know that he did it because no one in the Alliance was willing to do anything about it, right?  This problem works a lot like the whole plot in ME2 (the council/alliance isn't doing jack against the Collectors).  He knew the Turians would actually act to take out Cerberus, unlike the Alliance, which has tons of Cerberus sympathizers.

[Killjoy Cutter]

After seeing first hand what Cerberus was up to in ME1, I'm all for someone wiping them out.

[jbblue05]

wizardryforever wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
I can't believe Anderson would be stupid enough to have the Turians solve the Alliance problems

You know that he did it because no one in the Alliance was willing to do anything about it, right?  This problem works a lot like the whole plot in ME2 (the council/alliance isn't doing jack against the Collectors).  He knew the Turians would actually act to take out Cerberus, unlike the Alliance, which has tons of Cerberus sympathizers.

I know and understand why he did it  but its still stupid its obvious he didn't think the entire thing through.
The turians are always eager to show off their military might and brown-nose the council

[jbblue05]

Shandepared wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

You know that he did it because no one in the Alliance was willing to do anything about it, right?

It's all politics. The Alliance will not care that Anderson had a "valid" reason to do what he did. He made the Alliance look bad and shared sensitive information with a political, economic, and military rival.

The turians are going to reap the rewards and I doubt they will share with the Alliance.
Anderson strengthen the Turians and weakened the Alliance

[mopotter]

Flamewielder wrote...

The Alliance brass is understandably pissed: I doubt the US government would be happy if the Secretary of State had secretely asked the Canadian Security & Intelligence Service to investigate and prosecute american corporations suspected of gun running for some anti-american terrorist organization... It's a matter of sovereignty; even anti-Cerberus Alliance officials would be angry.

What else have the Turians discovered in their investigation? How much intelligence regarding the Alliance military and strategic planning was revealed to them? Will this provide some kind of marketing advantage to Turian corporations competing with Human ones? Will the Turians use this knowledge to better position themselves to compete against the Humans in the colonization race?

We understand what motivated Anderson, but most Alliance officials have dismissed the Reaper threat as Geth disinformation. Anderson may look good as far as the Coucil is concerned, but he's made ennemies among his own government (even among anti-Cerberus brass).

But they aren't on earth, where the Alliance would have reason to be really upset by off worlders taking down citizens.  

They have an embassy in a off world space station.  If your going to use the Secretary of State idea, then you would need to be in a different country, where you find out a large portion of the people they should be able to count on are traitors.  In that case, yes the Secretary of State could see the only option as asking another embassy for help.  

I don't believe the Alliance officials have all dismissed the Reaper threat.  I do think they are trying to cover it up,  

[wizardryforever]

jbblue05 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

You know that he did it because no one in the Alliance was willing to do anything about it, right?

It's all politics. The Alliance will not care that Anderson had a "valid" reason to do what he did. He made the Alliance look bad and shared sensitive information with a political, economic, and military rival.

The turians are going to reap the rewards and I doubt they will share with the Alliance.
Anderson strengthen the Turians and weakened the Alliance

You could say that the Alliance screwed itself over by consorting with Cerberus.  Anderson isn't to blame here, he did the necessary thing.  The more people can tell the difference between the Alliance and Cerberus, the better.

[Arijharn]

wizardryforever wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

You know that he did it because no one in the Alliance was willing to do anything about it, right?

It's all politics. The Alliance will not care that Anderson had a "valid" reason to do what he did. He made the Alliance look bad and shared sensitive information with a political, economic, and military rival.

The turians are going to reap the rewards and I doubt they will share with the Alliance.
Anderson strengthen the Turians and weakened the Alliance

You could say that the Alliance screwed itself over by consorting with Cerberus.  Anderson isn't to blame here, he did the necessary thing.  The more people can tell the difference between the Alliance and Cerberus, the better.

What if there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus?