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[wizardryforever]

Arijharn wrote...

What if there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus?

Please don't start with that again.  There is too much evidence to the contrary.  If you want to believe that, go right ahead, but that doesn't make it true.

[Cjrdrifter]

jbblue05 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

It's called cleaning house.
It's a good thing.

No doubt that's Anderson's intention
But their are going to be consequences for his actions and not all positive

this  i believe this will  this will bite anderson in the @ss , not  all turians view humans as allies (ex turim jaleed)

[Arijharn]

wizardryforever wrote...

Arijharn wrote...

What if there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus?

Please don't start with that again.  There is too much evidence to the contrary.  If you want to believe that, go right ahead, but that doesn't make it true.

I'm not talking about Zulu's conspiracy theory, I'm talking by just how prevalent Cerberus actually is, not within just the military but the entire military-industrial complex that the Alliance depends on.

[Zan51]

wizardryforever wrote...
You could say that the Alliance screwed itself over by consorting with Cerberus.  Anderson isn't to blame here, he did the necessary thing.  The more people can tell the difference between the Alliance and Cerberus, the better.

Considering the Alliance created Cerberus and it was the equivalent of the special forces groups the Salarians, Asari and Turians have, be a bit difficult to have avoided consorting with it! It is claimed it went rogue, but until then it was a bona fide Alliance group.

Modifié par Zan51, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:10 .

[Mox Ruuga]

I haven't read the book, but how badly was Cerberus damaged? Was TIM shown to be shaken or even desperate by the straits his org was reduced to? Or was it merely a setback?

Because, if Turians are openly holding Alliance high ups as prisoners, I can see a huge backlash coming from ordinary human citizens. Perhaps a boost to Terra Firma too? Conspiracy theories about alien sympathisers ruining the careers of decent "Earth First" types by slander and treasonous dealings with Turians etc.

This might yet turn out to be a huge blunder, that only ends up strenghtening Cerberus and Terra Firma.

[CroGamer002]

And I though only Kasumi's greybox would ruin Alliance. Well at least my FemShep canon will have chance to ruin Alliance in ME3. >:-)

[YourFunnyUncle]

Sounds more and more like they're setting up Liara to be Shep's main backer in ME3...

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Councilor. And if the Alliance interprets his actions as betrayal I doubt they'll let him be Captain.

Where does it say that Councilor Anderson quit? In the book, he's Admiral with Udina as Councilor. Anderson essentially quits the Alliance when he becomes Councilor, meaning he wouldn't have the Admiral title.

[Count Viceroy]

Going to the turians behind the alliances' back is basically political suicide regardless.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:23 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Going to the turians behind the alliances' back is basically political suicide regardless.

Could be an epic storytelling opportunity for Bioware, allowing Shepard to advance Cerberus agenda (Renegade) and act against Anderson. Perhaps even coming to conflict with him? Could be an epic optional boss fight in ME3... Especially if they resist the temptation to write Shep as sneering/evil, and go for the "I respect you highly but..." type of characterization.

[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Councilor. And if the Alliance interprets his actions as betrayal I doubt they'll let him be Captain.

Where does it say that Councilor Anderson quit?

It says something like resigns his post which I guess is meant to imply councilor/whatever his role is when Udina's councilor.

In the book, he's Admiral with Udina as Councilor.

I'm still in denial about that. (WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU DREW!?)

[Count Viceroy]

GodWood wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Councilor. And if the Alliance interprets his actions as betrayal I doubt they'll let him be Captain.

Where does it say that Councilor Anderson quit?

It says something like resigns his post which I guess is meant to imply councilor/whatever his role is when Udina's councilor.

In the book, he's Admiral with Udina as Councilor.

I'm still in denial about that. (WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU DREW!?)

Yeah, they go through all the trouble never to specify shepards gender or anything that'd compromise the story in the games and then miss that?!. Seems rather stupid.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:19 .

[AntiChri5]

I haven't read the book, but how badly was Cerberus damaged? Was TIM shown to be shaken or even desperate by the straits his org was reduced to? Or was it merely a setback?



Because, if Turians are openly holding Alliance high ups as prisoners, I can see a huge backlash coming from ordinary human citizens. Perhaps a boost to Terra Firma too? Conspiracy theories about alien sympathisers ruining the careers of decent "Earth First" types by slander and treasonous dealings with Turians etc.



This might yet turn out to be a huge blunder, that only ends up strenghtening Cerberus and Terra Firma.

TIM now only has the one space station (and collector base if you gave it to him) and about 20 - 30 followers left. He has to pay Aria when he wants muscle.

And there arent many high ranking people on the Alliance in trouble.

[FuturePasTimeCE]

YourFunnyUncle wrote...

Sounds more and more like they're setting up Liara to be Shep's main backer in ME3...

that sounds retarded... he's better off getting concrete missions from the alliance (anderson)... not some piece of ass tagging smurf... his career is with the military, that's why he signed up.

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:28 .

[raven_corrino]

On the ME wiki website it says this:
Sick of his role and aware that his actions may have cost him his job anyway, Anderson resigned his post and accompanied Kahlee to the facility Grayson had been kept captive to help her decode the Cerberus research files there.

So it seems like he's no longer with the Alliance or Council. Sounds bad since my Shep's still a Spectre reporting to an alien Council.

[YourFunnyUncle]

FuturePasTimeCE wrote...
that sounds retarded... he's better off getting concrete missions from the alliance (anderson)... not some piece of ass tagging smurf... his career is with the military, that's why he signed up.

Maybe but the "piece of ass tagging smurf" (whatever the hell that means) is now one of the most powerful people in the galaxy and is actually taking the reaper threat seriously while the Alliance seems to be ignoring it and Anderson is being distanced from the Alliance.

Modifié par YourFunnyUncle, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:15 .

[Mox Ruuga]

AntiChri5 wrote...

TIM now only has the one space station (and collector base if you gave it to him) and about 20 - 30 followers left. He has to pay Aria when he wants muscle.
And there arent many high ranking people on the Alliance in trouble.

Truly? Interesting... So the whole cell based structure safe guard didn't end up working after all...

If TIM has, due to a seeming deus ex machina, lost all his funding, man power, other resources, then yes. Cerberus could be on the way out. Rather amusing, the way they were built up into this huge shadow org that only one man knew the true extent of, and then collapsing like a house of cards due to a single leak.

Perhaps this should have been expected, given how often Cerberus managed to bungle their ops. Perhaps the entire "cell" structure was accidentally sent as an attachment with some email of TIM's...

[Killjoy Cutter]

Shandepared wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Anybody else think Anderson might have inadvertently betrayed the Alliance?

I think the only thing keeping Anderson out of a court marshal and prison is his fame.

What, for damaging an organization like Cerberus?  

Whatever. 

[Lvl20DM]

The "canonizing" of Udina as Councillor is a typo, I think. The author goes out of his way to avoid mentioning titles except in one sentence.

I wouldn't characterize Anderson's actions as a betrayal. The Alliance might be angry, but they can strike a blow against Cerberus without directly involving themselves. I think that Cerberus has been hurt by this, but I'm sure they still have many powerful backers and cells out there. A theme if the story was that TIM's desire for vengeance got the better of him.

I'm curious if they are setting Anderson and Kahlee Sanders up as crewmember or squadmates.

[AntiChri5]

Truly? Interesting... So the whole cell based structure safe guard didn't end up working after all...

If TIM has, due to a seeming deus ex machina, lost all his funding, man power, other resources, then yes. Cerberus could be on the way out. Rather amusing, the way they were built up into this huge shadow org that only one man knew the true extent of, and then collapsing like a house of cards due to a single leak.

Perhaps this should have been expected, given how often Cerberus managed to bungle their ops. Perhaps the entire "cell" structure was accidentally sent as an attachment with some email of TIM's...

It did work to some extent, protecting TIM's safe haven.

TIM just couldn't imagine that Grayson had so much info on Cerberus, or that he would go to Kahlee. Or that she would go to Anderson. Or that he would go to the turian military.

[Skyblade012]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Truly? Interesting... So the whole cell based structure safe guard didn't end up working after all...
If TIM has, due to a seeming deus ex machina, lost all his funding, man power, other resources, then yes. Cerberus could be on the way out. Rather amusing, the way they were built up into this huge shadow org that only one man knew the true extent of, and then collapsing like a house of cards due to a single leak.
Perhaps this should have been expected, given how often Cerberus managed to bungle their ops. Perhaps the entire "cell" structure was accidentally sent as an attachment with some email of TIM's...

It did work to some extent, protecting TIM's safe haven.
TIM just couldn't imagine that Grayson had so much info on Cerberus, or that he would go to Kahlee. Or that she would go to Anderson. Or that he would go to the turian military.

Or that creating a VI to control the geth wouldn't blow up in their face.  Or that the rachni wouldn't be docile pets.  Or that assassinating an admiral wouldn't actually keep them under the radar.  Or that...

[Ieldra]

AntiChri5 wrote...
TIM now only has the one space station (and collector base if you gave it to him) and about 20 - 30 followers left. He has to pay Aria when he wants muscle.
And there arent many high ranking people on the Alliance in trouble.

The book doesn't say that. From the book, you can only infer he has at least one space station and 20-30 followers left. There's no upper limit, actually.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 septembre 2010 - 01:49 .