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[GodWood]

NKKKK wrote...
Do not take Retribution as the bible people, if your Anderson is still councilor, he's still councilor. Drew has little relevance to Mass Effect anymore.

Its canon, just like the previous 2 books.

[NKKKK]

Links plz

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

[GodWood]

NKKKK wrote...
Links plz

To what exactly?

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

I played every single side quest in ME1 (multiple times) and I still believe that Cerberus is a useful ally to have for the coming Reaper invasion.

Modifié par GodWood, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:13 .

[NKKKK]

To Anderson being Admiral being Canon.

[GodWood]

NKKKK wrote...
To Anderson being Admiral being Canon.

You mean him quiting his political role?
Or the fact that the book claims he was never councilor?

If its the latter I think we can allow that to be a typo (considering how easily it could of been avoided and how much trouble Drew goes through trying not to establish a canon)

However the post I responded to seemed to imply the former hence my response because its canon Anderson quit his role.

Modifié par GodWood, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:34 .

[Reiella]

GodWood wrote...

I get the feeling some people can't see past the "Cerberus is bad yo" mentality.

And similarly [fixed spelling oops] some people can't see past the "Cereberus resurrected me yo" mentality.

Me, I lean towards "Cereberus is incompetent yo".  Pretty much every encounter with them is a situation that they let get out of their control.  Even Lazarus.

Modifié par Reiella, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:42 .

[GodWood]

Reiella wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I get the feeling some people can't see past the "Cerberus is bad yo" mentality.

And similarly [fixed spelling oops] some people can't see past the "Cerberus resurrected me yo" mentality.
Me, I lean towards "Cerberus is incompetent yo".  Pretty much every encounter with them is a situation that they let get out of their control.  Even Lazarus.

Fixed your spelling .
Personally I'm on the side of "Theres a massive fleet of Reaper ships coming to wipe out all life in the galaxy and Cerberus is the only organisation whose backing me up so despite not agreeing with the overly pro-human agenda I'm going to side with them any way at least until the Reaper threat is over because hey why turn away help when its there yo" mentality.

Modifié par GodWood, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

My mentality is "every time I come across another Cerberus project they're doing something inhumane, unethical, of questionable utility, and usually downright monsterous."



I swear, I'm not sure how Shepherd looks in the mirror in ME2 and doesn't wonder what terrible price might have been paid to bring him/her back.

[jbblue05]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

[_purifico_]

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

Enlighten me, please =) What IS the deeper story behind Cerberus and TIM? Because I obviously don't understand it, unlike you.

Modifié par _purifico_, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:04 .

[Zulu_DFA]

_purifico_ wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

Enlighten me, please =) What IS the deeper story behind Cerberus and TIM? Because I obviously don't understand it, unlike you.

http://social.biowar...5/index/1600890

Happy enlightennings!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:29 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

My guess is that they probably played the two games and saw what Cerberus gets up to for themselves.  I have to wonder how someone could actually play the two games and see what Cerberus does, and not be sickened by it.   I'll post the full list of it when I get home tonight, since it seems that people have short memories or something.

[GodWood]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?
How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

My guess is that they probably played the two games and saw what Cerberus gets up to for themselves.  I have to wonder how someone could actually play the two games and see what Cerberus does, and not be sickened by it.   I'll post the full list of it when I get home tonight, since it seems that people have short memories or something.

Far worse war crimes have happened in real life.
Besides theres a Reaper threat coming and Cerberus is the only organisation currently helping Shepard to stop them, tossing aside said help because of the crimes they have commited is very irresponsible given the current threat at hand.

[jbblue05]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

My guess is that they probably played the two games and saw what Cerberus gets up to for themselves.  I have to wonder how someone could actually play the two games and see what Cerberus does, and not be sickened by it.   I'll post the full list of it when I get home tonight, since it seems that people have short memories or something.

The mass effect series is open to interpertation nothing is set in stone.  Their is nothing absolute in the Mass Effect Series.
Mass Effect 1 was all anti-Cerberus propaganda but if you looked deeper in the story you will see their are holes in the Cerberus is rogue and evil theory

Mass Effect 2 gives Shepard the chance to work with Cerberus and gain even more hatred for Cerberus and/or better understanding of Cerberus 

[NKKKK]

You can't prove he quits his position, therefore the book is as canon as my left ass cheek. Retribution is just a story, he's not even lead writer anymore.



Will some plot points come in the next game? Probably. Will Mac Walters give the fans and their choices a big middle finger? I don't think so.



Until Mac Walters says "Lol Drew's book is right, everything" then no

[GodWood]

NKKKK wrote...
You can't prove he quits his position, therefore the book is as canon as my left ass cheek. Retribution is just a story, he's not even lead writer anymore.

Will some plot points come in the next game? Probably. Will Mac Walters give the fans and their choices a big middle finger? I don't think so.

Until Mac Walters says "Lol Drew's book is right, everything" then no

Now you're just in denial.

[Zulu_DFA]

As to Anderson not being a Councillor in Retribution:

The novel's events take place after ME2 (at least after the Shepard's C-Base mission), so Anderson could have ceased to be it (the Alliance appointed Udina for the next term in the office, for instance), so here you go. In any case, for ME3 Anderson will be on his own (or maybe serving coffee - or whatever they have - in the Turian embassy).

Because even if you can't slap high treason on him legally or morally, Anderson is still political traitor to the Alliance. Compare him to Kasumi's boyfriend. That guy wasn't such an honored officer in the Alliance as Anderson, but still chose to die rather than divulge its dirty secrets.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:32 .

[NKKKK]

Now you're just in denial.

Drew himself said to "take the book" for what it is. I take as a story, with possible ramifications for ME3, but not all of it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I wonder how many of the Cerberus apologists either didn't play ME1 or skipped a certain set of the UNC missions...

Your point?

How many Cerberus haters believe the first thing they hear about Cerberus and don't look deeper into the story?

My guess is that they probably played the two games and saw what Cerberus gets up to for themselves.  I have to wonder how someone could actually play the two games and see what Cerberus does, and not be sickened by it.   I'll post the full list of it when I get home tonight, since it seems that people have short memories or something.

The mass effect series is open to interpertation nothing is set in stone.  Their is nothing absolute in the Mass Effect Series.
Mass Effect 1 was all anti-Cerberus propaganda but if you looked deeper in the story you will see their are holes in the Cerberus is rogue and evil theory

Mass Effect 2 gives Shepard the chance to work with Cerberus and gain even more hatred for Cerberus and/or better understanding of Cerberus 

Um... what?  Propoganda?  Interpretation?  Huh?  What on earth are you talking about?

Your character is there, and gets to see what Cerberus is doing.  Visit the labs.  See the experiments.  Look into the eyes of the victims.  It's right there in front of you.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Because even if you can't slap high treason on him legally or morally, Anderson is still political traitor to the Alliance.

Or rather, continued his fine work by exposing wrong-doing going on within the government of his people.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:48 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Because even if you can't slap high treason on him legally or morally, Anderson is still political traitor to the Alliance. Compare him to Kasumi's boyfriend. That guy wasn't such an honored officer in the Alliance as Anderson, but still chose to die rather than divulge its dirty secrets.

Exposing the wrong-doing of your government is not treason.

No?

Maybe in your country...

But in the Systems Alliance it causes death "of natural causes".

[anmiro]

jbblue05 wrote...
Its not about if Shepard is loyal to Anderson or Cerberus its about the fate of the Alliance because of Anderson's actions
What does Shepard and Anderson's relationship have to do with this?

You need to re-read Retribution  Ambassaador Orinia is meeting with Human diplomats to by time for the turians investigation and avoid a political sh!tstorm.

Anderson stepped down before his investigation into Cerberus
What the hell are you talking about?

Show me a page number where Udina is referred to as Ambassador or Councilor. 

Its clear one of us has a problem with reading comprehension. I never said Anderson stepped down before his investigation into Cerberus. He stepped down to avoid Udina's investigation. I have already provided a quote from the book on that. 

Modifié par anmiro, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[Asheer_Khan]

But in the cerberus* it causes death "of natural causes".

We shall see who in ME 3 will "die from natural (or will have fatal accident when power core of his secret station will suffer "catastrophal malfunction") causes"...



Remember "Who fight with the sword will perish from the sword".



*fixed.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...
Because even if you can't slap high treason on him legally or morally, Anderson is still political traitor to the Alliance. Compare him to Kasumi's boyfriend. That guy wasn't such an honored officer in the Alliance as Anderson, but still chose to die rather than divulge its dirty secrets.

Exposing the wrong-doing of your government is not treason.

No?

Maybe in your country...

But in the Systems Alliance it causes death "of natural causes".

That doesn't make it treason, that makes it something that someone will kill you for. 

It's not treason unless you're convicted of treason.  Treason has a legal definition, in law, and unless you're convicted of treason, you're not a traitor.