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[anmiro]

The name of this thread is Captain Anderson's Betrayal. Cerberus and the Alliance are enemies. The only party affected by Anderson's actions is Cerberus. So if your loyalty is to Anderson and the Alliance, there is no reason to feel betrayed. If you are loyal to Cerberus, its still not a betrayal because your an enemy of the Alliance.

Modifié par anmiro, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:19 .

[jbblue05]

anmiro wrote...



Show me a page number where Udina is referred to as Ambassador or Councilor. 

Its clear one of us has a problem with reading comprehension. I never said Anderson stepped down before his investigation into Cerberus. He stepped down to avoid Udina's investigation. I have already provided a quote from the book on that. 

I still got to look for confirmation on Udina being named Councilor
but Chapter 7 pg.92
David Anderson is an Admiral but is a representative fo rthe Alliance
So I guess Udina's the Councilor. its not confirmed but if Anderson was Councilor and stepped down Udina would take his spot

He stepped down because he got tired and hated politics.  When discussing trade agreements with the Elcor Ambassador he showed his lack of political skill insulting the volus ambassador causing the Elcor to be uncomfortable with Anderson's views.

Anderson stepped down because his hatred of politics and Udina was pissed off about what Anderson did to the Alliance and wanted to investigate Anderson which was Anderson' boiling point to leave  pg.168-169

Modifié par jbblue05, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:49 .

[NKKKK]

I still got to look for confirmation on Udina being named Councilor

but Chapter 7 pg.92

David Anderson is an Admiral

So I guess Udina's the Councilor.



He stepped down because he got tired and hated politics. When discussing trade agreements with the Elcor Ambassador he showed his lack of political skill insulting the volus ambassador causing the Elcor to be uncomfortable with Anderson's views.



Anderson did step down before he investigated Cerberus

Is there undeniable proof that said he stepped down? Really, cause I just keep viewing this book as someone else's play-through.



You don't get you're admiral commision back so easily, you can't be a president then be a General again, it doesn't flow like that.



If this actually does end up being canon, I'm gonna get pissed.

[jbblue05]

Is there undeniable proof that said he stepped down? Really, cause I just keep viewing this book as someone else's play-through.

You don't get you're admiral commision back so easily, you can't be a president then be a General again, it doesn't flow like that.


If this actually does end up being canon, I'm gonna get pissed.

Anderson leaves with Kahlee to the Cerberus station captured by the Turians pg.173

He officialy quits on pg.168-169

Modifié par jbblue05, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:30 .

[anmiro]

jbblue05 wrote...



Is there undeniable proof that said he stepped down? Really, cause I just keep viewing this book as someone else's play-through. 

You don't get you're admiral commision back so easily, you can't be a president then be a General again, it doesn't flow like that.


If this actually does end up being canon, I'm gonna get pissed.

Anderson leaves with Kahlee to the Cerberus station captured by the Turians pg.173

He officialy quits on pg.168-169

Though he was still technically an admiral in the military, Anderson hadn't seen active duty in several years. With the restructuring of the Citadel Council, he'd become one of humanity's key political representatives- a reward  for all his years of dedicated service.  -page 93

Anderson never stopped being an Admiral. Shepard was a Spectre for the Citadel, but he never stopped being a Commander in the Alliance Military.

"Actually, I resigned my post," Anderson said.

"Udina was threatening to launch some massive investigation into what he called my 'inappropriate diplomatic relations' with the Turians. The Alliance brass was going to put me on administrative leave until it was all sorted out, so I told Udina to cram his investigation up his ass and I quit."

p. 168-169

The only betrayal I felt was that Anderson didn't stick around to defend his actions. Yes, he hated politics, but he left because he couldn't afford to waste any time with an investigation. He is determined now to stop the Reaper's and he cant do anything if hes placed on administrative leave.

Modifié par anmiro, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:43 .

[Dave of Canada]

anmiro wrote...

Anderson never stopped being an Admiral. Shepard was a Spectre for the Citadel, but he never stopped being a Commander in the Alliance Military.

He was never an Admiral. He was a Captain. He became Admiral as a "Here you go, now serve Councilor Udina.".

[anmiro]

Dave of Canada wrote...

anmiro wrote...

Anderson never stopped being an Admiral. Shepard was a Spectre for the Citadel, but he never stopped being a Commander in the Alliance Military.

He was never an Admiral. He was a Captain. He became Admiral as a "Here you go, now serve Councilor Udina.".

Anderson was a Captain at the conclusion of ME1. If you chose Udina at the end of ME1, Anderson introduces himself as Admiral. If you chose Anderson, he introduces himself as Councilor. That doesnt mean that he hasn't been promoted by the Alliance to Admiral in both cases. 

Modifié par anmiro, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:45 .

[NKKKK]

Anderson says "I had to give up my commission when I became councilor"

[anmiro]

NKKKK wrote...

Anderson says "I had to give up my commission when I became councilor"

He says this in ME:2?

Next chance I get I'm gonna hop on my Xbox and confirm that. If thats true, than I concede that the books are not canon.

Modifié par anmiro, 29 septembre 2010 - 11:00 .

[Nerevar-as]

I don´t think Anderson can be accused of treason by the Alliance as long as they are part of the Council as Cerberus is a recognized enemy to the Council. Even with an all human council the political backlash would be epic. (The book felt save Council pick Udina however). On the other side going against the only organization so far who has (had?) the will and means to do something about the Reapers wasn´t the wisest move.



Anderson´s meeting with the Cerberus agent is strange, especially if you play LotSB before SM. It was intended to happen after it, so maybe is TIM trying to play the enemy mine card.

[AntiChri5]

I don't see how anyone can consider Anderson a traitor.

Legally and politically, Cerberus is an enemy of the Alliance.

[jbblue05]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I don't see how anyone can consider Anderson a traitor.
Legally and politically, Cerberus is an enemy of the Alliance.

Udina and the Alliance certainly think so in Retribution

[NKKKK]

anmiro wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Anderson says "I had to give up my commission when I became councilor"

He says this in ME:2?

Next chance I get I'm gonna hop on my Xbox and confirm that. If thats true, than I concede that the books are not canon.

The first two books are canon, I believe Drew wrote them when he was still lead writer, this one...I don't know...I call it Semi-canon.

On the other hand I'm glad that Anderson and Kahlee are together finally.

Modifié par NKKKK, 30 septembre 2010 - 12:04 .

[AntiChri5]

Udina and the Alliance certainly think so in Retribution

No, they don't.

[Zulmoka531]

Even if they do, my Shepard would welcome him aboard my team given the opportunity. He's always had your back throughout the ME series.



I just hope this novel doesn't set a canon story. Feels like it devalues the choice of setting Anderson up as councilor if Udina is just going to take it anyways.

[NKKKK]

I think the book just sets up several plot points to use during the next game, it's not in concrete people.

[Whatever42]

I haven't read the book but can someone answer me this question: did Anderson's war on Cerberus meant to help make the galaxy safe from the Reapers? It's clear that Cerberus is bent on protecting humanity from the Reapers. Did crippling them further that goal?

[Arijharn]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I haven't read the book but can someone answer me this question: did Anderson's war on Cerberus meant to help make the galaxy safe from the Reapers? It's clear that Cerberus is bent on protecting humanity from the Reapers. Did crippling them further that goal?

A lot of stuff Anderson does doesn't make sense, especially since he's the only one who actually believes in the existence of the Reapers outside Shephard's team, and that he knows that Shephard (who is the only one actively working against the Reapers) is working with (in some way) Cerberus.

[AntiChri5]

I think we can put that down to the time difference.

By Retribution, we dont know if TIM and Shepard are still allied. There is a good chance he is being funded and backed by Liara at this point.

[Arijharn]

I doubt Shephard in game is going to be so enthusiastic about cutting TIM out of the loop, despite people's objections on this forum it just doesn't make any practical sense. People argue from an emotional response, Shephard may be emotional to follow through, but (s)he is probably pretty pragmatic at this point.



Shephard may break ties with TIM eventually, but I'm going to guess that unless some DLC comes out to the contrary, ME3 will show their co-operation at some level (depending of course, on your actions at the end of ME2)

[NKKKK]

Several of my Shepards see no reason to break their ties with Cerberus. One of them does want to eventually usurp him though

[Whatever42]

Whether or not Shepard breaks his ties with Cerberus isn't really relevant. It's clear that Cerberus is working to defeat the Reapers. If Anderson is taking them on out of some sense of morality then it would be like the Allies bombing Moscow during WWII - irresponsible, stupid, reckless, and totally treasonous.

[jbblue05]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Udina and the Alliance certainly think so in Retribution

No, they don't.

Page 192-193 they're pissed off at Anderson

[Dave of Canada]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I haven't read the book but can someone answer me this question: did Anderson's war on Cerberus meant to help make the galaxy safe from the Reapers?

He actually did it because he could and he wanted to free his love interest's friend. He almost screwed the entire galaxy by doing it, though.