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[Spawnfreak73]

I think it's unfair that ManShepard gets all the media exposure while FemShepard gets none. Especially since FemShepard has been getting very popular. I think when ME3 comes around there should be two sets of commercials. One with ManShpeard and one with FemShepard. And two sets of box art as well.

[Raanz]

I had a nice polite response but on these forums, people seem to be knee-jerk reactionary, so I deleted.

Here are some stats straight from Bioware of data they pulled from the game itself (when people log in to play the game). http://www.1up.com/n...-effect-2-stats

I know some folks on these forums hate them, and for some reason, it causes much angst, but there you go. Draw your own conclusions from it.

[Annihilator27]

If we get a shifting cover for ME3..............

[Numa-Fai]

Man, theese data means nothing as long as they're uncontextualised, how did they obtained those percentages? If they explained them I would have my conclussions.



My Shepards are 80% women, and 50% engineers, I asked among my friends (they are all male, al least the ME players) and they admited that they've never end a game as FemShep but they had at least made one female character, just to see what changed.

[Spawnfreak73]

Raanz wrote...

I had a nice polite response but on these forums, people seem to be knee-jerk reactionary, so I deleted.
Here are some stats straight from Bioware of data they pulled from the game itself (when people log in to play the game). http://www.1up.com/n...-effect-2-stats
I know some folks on these forums hate them, and for some reason, it causes much angst, but there you go. Draw your own conclusions from it.

And there are also articles that say those who have played both Man Shepard and FemShepard prefer FemShepard. So go from there.
www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30143/Analysis_On_FemSheps_Popularity_In_Mass_Effect.php

[sinosleep]

One of the articles is backed by hard data, the other isn't.

[Numa-Fai]

Define hard data. Data without context are nothing, explain me that clumsy statistics with detail, please.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Problem is... is Shepard a man or a woman in the books.



That basically tells you where it should go, or there will be some heavily screwy conflict.

[Numa-Fai]

Who cares about the books? I don't like to be told what to go, that's the charm of RPG. If I wanted to be directed I'd play a FPS...

[Rogue Unit]

Spawnfreak73 wrote...

I think it's unfair that ManShepard gets all the media exposure while FemShepard gets none. Especially since FemShepard has been getting very popular. I think when ME3 comes around there should be two sets of commercials. One with ManShpeard and one with FemShepard. And two sets of box art as well.

I'd like to see Female Shepard and Male Shepard used in gameplay trailers but I think making 2 sets of box art and commercials is a bit much. That stuff cost money, ya know?

They should continue using Sheploo for their commercials and box-art, we're at the end of the trilogy anyway and he's been used up until now. I don't think Bio-ware would want to dish out the extra money for seperate commercials and box-art and I don't blame them if they don't. They've done well so far and I don't think anyones going to boycott ME3 because female Shepard isn't on the cover.

[MrnDvlDg161]

Numa-Fai wrote...

Who cares about the books? I don't like to be told what to go, that's the charm of RPG. If I wanted to be directed I'd play a FPS...

Who cares? Well I guess a good portion of this website does with the ammount of refernce and influence they profess when speaking about the game and its events.

You want media exopsure. Well I suppose everyone wants exposure to their personalised Shepard. We can get really crazy with this at some point when it comes down to it.

At the end of the day, I look at  ME1 and ME2... and the descision has already been provided. Shepard is going to be sold as a Male --- cannon wise. To suddenly bring up a female one would be rather odd because then people will say --- Where did  SHE come from? 

Then there is another question... IF  Shepard was already sold as a woman, would there be a demand for a male one in the 3rd installment of the game, having had 2 games already with  Shepard a She? --- I just don't think that would happen.  

That would be like me demanding  Honor Harrington be a male. Its just not going to work.

[sinosleep]

Numa-Fai wrote...

Define hard data. Data without context are nothing, explain me that clumsy statistics with detail, please.

I'm not going to bother getting into this discussion because it's been done to death every single time this data comes up. All you have to do to answer your question is look at the statements that accompany the article and your own statement about what would make the data worthless in order to figure out what the data is considering that clearly the folks at Bioware think it's relevant.

Modifié par sinosleep, 28 septembre 2010 - 11:58 .

[Numa-Fai]

Yeah power to the empowered!

Seriously, if they made more adverts with FemShep many people would realise that the actually can play as female, it is not the first time I hear somebody who claims he/she didn't realise he/she sould play as female till their second or third playtrough, and it'll make the game more appealingfor potential female-players- IMO, of course.

I have re-read the article and it explains nothing (I dare say you don't work with statistics, do you? I do). The only thing really revealing is the fact that PC players (such I am) prefer roleplaying missions than shooting missions (Grunt vs Miranda), that may imply that people who does not have an Xbox prefers the story over the gaming. Maybe it indicates a gender issue (women do not have consoles as much as man, for instance -I don't know if it is true-), but that is untraceable, isn't it?
Anyway, back to our topic, I do not agree with the "folks of Bioware" issue, customer is always right, didn't you know?

PS. I don't know if my answer sounds unpolite, it's not my intention, just I'm a non-native speaker and maybe sometimes I'm a bit harsh. My apologies. I like discussion, not quarrelling...

PS II [edited]. I'd like to add that I'm quite weary of those clumsy answers many guys give us "Bioware says this, those or that" or "Many gamers are male". One thing is who speaks, who is able to speaks and other different is who hears and who is able to hear. I'd recommend Spivak articles if you have doubts.

Modifié par Numa-Fai, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:30 .

[brfritos]

No I don't want femShep to be in the cover of ME3, look the s*** cover that ME2 has.



Let our beloved heroine rule in the real role playing area, not in marketing decisions.

[Numa-Fai]

It's not only about marketing.

[DRSH]

I think there should be a promotional trailer with both MaleShep & FemaleShep fighting the same enemy side by side & handing each other ammo just for kicks. It would send a good message about gender equality as well .

Modifié par DRSH, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:33 .

[sinosleep]

Numa-Fai wrote...

Yeah power to the empowered!

Seriously, if they made more adverts with FemShep many people would realise that the actually can play as female, it is not the first time I hear somebody who claims he/she didn't realise he/she sould play as female till their second or third playtrough, and it'll make the game more appealingfor potential female-players- IMO, of course.

I have re-read the article and it explains nothing (I dare say you don't work with statistics, do you? I do). The only thing really revealing is the fact that PC players (such I am) prefer roleplaying missions than shooting missions (Grunt vs Miranda), that may imply that people who does not have an Xbox prefers the story over the gaming. Maybe it indicates a gender issue (women do not have consoles as much as man, for instance -I don't know if it is true-), but that is untraceable, isn't it?
Anyway, back to our topic, I do not agree with the "folks of Bioware" issue, customer is always right, didn't you know?

PS. I don't know if my answer sounds unpolite, it's not my intention, just I'm a non-native speaker and maybe sometimes I'm a bit harsh. My apologies. I like discussion, not quarrelling...

PS II [edited]. I'd like to add that I'm quite weary of those clumsy answers many guys give us "Bioware says this, those or that" or "Many gamers are male". One thing is who speaks, who is able to speaks and other different is who hears and who is able to hear. I'd recommend Spivak articles if you have doubts.

It's not harsh, you just aren't getting the point I was making, I'll PM you.

[brfritos]

Numa-Fai wrote...

It's not only about marketing.

Of course it's!

Look the cover of the first game, it's maleShep on it, but it trully indicates a RPG space-opera game with no focus in only one character.
At least it was intriguing.

Now pick the cover of ME2, the boring and common FPS cover that zillions of games have.
It's embarrassing.

People were surprised how good femShep was in the first game and are surprised how good she is in the second.
It really don't matter to me having a male or female Shepard in the cover.

Modifié par brfritos, 29 septembre 2010 - 12:42 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

If some people didn't notice the gender option when creating a character, they would probably be confused by different cover art or ads with FemShep in them. Then they would be like "WTF did you guys do with Shepard?!"

[Ser Isely]

MrnDvlDg161 wrote...

Problem is... is Shepard a man or a woman in the books.

That basically tells you where it should go, or there will be some heavily screwy conflict.

Everything in the books are very vague about events in the games that had multiple outcomes so it would fit however your own Shepard was played. They really don't mention much except for fixed events. The books are more like extra background information and events not really necessary for enjoying the game.

[MrnDvlDg161]

What you do to keep hearts and minds happy with their pro-interest stances is to have a neutral cover that doesn't display Shepard period. Just like how Dragon Age, Fallout 3, and Oblivion has theirs pretty much non-character oriented for you can have different genders and backgrounds.

The side by side Fem Shep and Male Shep would be bad, because that implies false advertisement, as people will be wanting to see who this female individual that will be fighting along side the " main character" that they see in ME1 and ME2 --- which would really mix things up.

But since the last two covers have a male Shep --- you either go with consistency or its a fight between fans who want X or Y. I say keep it the same as the last two covers or go neutral.

Either way, someone is pissed about some portion of the cheese cake they belive they didn't get --- but come up with a good cover at least...though I think the brand name and its identification has already been set with the male Shepard and that the Fem-Shep is just going to have to exist as a quasi-extended universe thing that players did for themsevles. 

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Modifié par MrnDvlDg161, 29 septembre 2010 - 01:05 .

[Numa-Fai]

I meant that marleting is related to the number and gender of potential customers, if we were supposed to be 45% male and 55% women (as we are more or less), there should be a FemShep. Anyway I already know videogames customer are mainly men but not as much as it's believed. I think it's about topics and change those topics (for instance, the belief that the potential Me customer is male).

[MrnDvlDg161]

Numa-Fai wrote...

I meant that marleting is related to the number and gender of potential customers, if we were supposed to be 45% male and 55% women (as we are more or less), there should be a FemShep. Anyway I already know videogames customer are mainly men but not as much as it's believed. I think it's about topics and change those topics (for instance, the belief that the potential Me customer is male).

Maybe you could have made that argument before the first game came out to attempt a female version on the front but after you have 2 games with a male Shepard featured...its kind of hard to change up your brand at that point. 

This argument wouldn't even exist if the said covers of the last two had a Female based Shepard. Then it would be no question to simply put the gender switch somewhere in the game and not mentiont it too much --- but as a consumer --- if I saw that it was a female Shepard, I would not be complaining about it...because I would say --  " Oh, ok --- Shepard is a Female commander of this story. cool" .  And play it that way --- while being happy there's an option to switch the gender.

[LividLindy]

I didn't even know that you could play Mass Effect 1 as a woman until I asked my friend when she kept telling me how good it was. I never heard anything about the option before that and the pictures were all of the male Shepard.

After I found out that you could is when I bought it too heh

Modifié par LividLindy, 29 septembre 2010 - 01:27 .