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[Numa-Fai]

ArmedChimp wrote...

I bet if they actually did do media exposure for Female Shepard half of you would whine that she doesn't look like "your femshep".

This is utterly ridiculous. We don't whine, leave that for Onasi, Kaidan and allistair (oh, how much I hated him!)

Modifié par Numa-Fai, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:25 .

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Dude honnestly: WHO CARES!! Sorry, but really..I couldn't care less about who gets put in the trailers or posters or box art. If you prefer FemShep, then play as FemShep how does putting MaleShep on a cover change your experience in anyway? You can choose between female or male character, but they've used MaleShep since ME1 because he's more popular.. their not gonna change now.. Give up, sorry.

[Felene]

Some Female Fans scare ME on daily basis. They eat you alive if you disagree with them. Run for your lives!

Point is...

Just because Jennifer Hale can do a better job at VA doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

Just because you like your female Shepard better doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

Just because (insert any reason) doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

Modifié par Felene, 29 septembre 2010 - 05:38 .

[SirVincealot]

Valakas wrote...
The whole femshep thing is getting ridiculous, now you are even demanding a different box art and trailers, as i said ridiculous.

Blizzard made 4 different box arts for Warcraft3, book publishers print half a dozen versions, movies use a plethora of different posters and multiple trailers . . . variant marketing tools are the norm, not the exception.

All of which is really besides argumenting from the standpoint that it's somehow BEYOND BIOWARE's ABILITY to package their game in a box that features both genders. Sorry but I don't buy that!

Interestingly, looking at the boxes on my shelves, I've noticed that many games (DUNGEON SIEGE, VAMPIRE BLOODLINES, etc) use exclusively female avatars for marketing. Did male players fail to grasp that gender could be changed in the creation process?

Off the cuff I'll bet male players look for (and find) the gender creation button because they can safely assume it's there. Girls will assume the opposite: that they are - as they historically have been - excluded from assuming the mantle of their own sex.

More intersting to me is the suspicion that many, many players DID NOT EVEN KNOW they had a choice and ignored MASS EFFECT until it was shown to them. (I myself bought it for other reasons but was greatly relieved to see that gender could be changed since I only ever play as female when given a choice)

One more time: marketing that shows both genders is not beyond Bioware or EA's abilities and I'll bet that the tiny little amount of $$$ required to do so (since they already have all the materials on hand) would be more than justified by the extra sales generated at launch, when the game is full-priced.

Peace.

P.S. I just learned DUNGEON SIEGE 3 is on the way - slowpoke me. I really like the look of it and look forward to release.

[sinosleep]

I'm having a really hard time believing people didn't know you could create a female. For crying out loud a new player has only two options. Select Existing ID does nothing, John Shepard is the default, and then you have enter new ID which is clearly the custom option. The first two options after enter new ID are custom male and custom female.

[idoless24]

I probably wouldn't have played the game if I knew you couldn't be a female..once I found out you could play as one then I rented it and finally bought it.



There needs to be some kind of emphasis on the fact that you can play as a female..

[Numa-Fai]

Felene wrote...

Some Female Fans scare ME on daily basis. They eat you alive if you disagree with them. Run for your lives!

Point is...

Just because Jennifer Hale can do a better job at VA doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

Just because you like your female Shepard better doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

Just because (insert any reason) doesn't mean she is a better media choice.

This is not the point, my dear lady (or lord).

Ok, maybe personal is political, but at least, despite of liking a lot my characters, I do not pray for my character in the media, actually I would not know who Hale is if I weren't read this forum (although I prefer her work than Mark whatever (his name is Mark, isn't it?)). The point of this thread, I think, is FemShep's visibility on the media, not my character, nor yours. Of course, I do not intend to make Sheploo down, I played as him too. Just show all the options.

[Valakas]

Numa-Fai wrote...

You know? That's exactly what the conservative men argued against women's voting a hundred years back. Equality is a slow process

Ughgh, i can't believe you are turning this in a feminist speech.

I have no problems with women "being equal" (even though they already are, regardless of the fact that they like to play victim), i love metroid games, i main Peach in Smash bros, i loved how there's two protagonist in Resident evil 2 (not so much in the first one), and i loved playing as Jill in RE 3.

I don't have any problems with strong womans, i don't mind seeing woman kicking some ass (at risk of sounding machist, i must say seeing woman fighting turns me on xD) and i don't thing that a Small proportion of the people play as Femshep if they want it's a bad thing.

But there's something you must understand, Default shepard it's the most played face in the game (yes, because even if only 20% of the people used default shepard, it's still better than 0.00000000001% of the people that used the particular customized face you used on your shepard), that face is the only one based on a real person, that face is the most detailed face and polished face, (Femshep and any other customized face in the game, look as dull and lame as any other NPC, just look closely and be honest to yourself, Femshep's face it's not as detailed as default male shep face), he is the one in the first two covers, he is the one in the movie, he is the one they put the most effort into, he is the one Bioware wants to be advertised. PERIOD. Trailers and advertisements cost money, time and effort, things that are better employed into making Mass effect 3 a better game.


If Bioware listen to this whim, the next thing they will know is that people are demanding that his/her particular and unique shepard's face is advertised in the trailers. That's just how ridiculous this demand is.

and it is sad that you are shielding yourself in that clumsy statistics nobody knows which are related to.

I'm not shielding, those are rock solid statistics that bioware itself recovered from player's data all over the world. Stop making stupid arguments about that.

We
just want to be listened. We are few but our numbers had incredibly
increased in the last 10 years. .

Wait what? Again with the feminism? This is not a matter of being sexist, or homofobic or anything, this is a matter of NUMBERS.

You may like to play as a girl, you may like to be gay (i'm adressing the other thread "fight for the love" in this comment), but people playing as a girl or gay people are the MINORITY, Bioware wants to make PROFIT out of this game, and if they go around  pleasing the minority and displeasing the majority they won't.

It's a matter of business, majorities make money, minorities don't, when the bast majority of players turn out to be femshep supporters, they WILL turn shepard into a chick in the advertisments, in the meantime you should be thankful that they let you play as a girl.

It's just like that, the more you give to a person, the more that person will demand from you.

my suggestion was not focus in Sheploo.
leaving him/her to our imagination. N7 box, for instance

They already spend way to much money in default shepard advertisement, that face is THE face most people will recognize, you are asking them to throw their money away.

They won't do that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

The official Prima Guide for ME2 has the same single Shepard all over it (over 300 pages), and that Shepard is female. I was pleasantly surprised to see that myself.

[Numa-Fai]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Man it's so hard being a woman in the 21st century.

Don't talk about things you don't know, padawan.


And this for the guy of the large post right up:

Well, man, I cannot help but being feminist, it's just who I am. But numbers... Well, sometimes they just have no meaning.
You can see just up this post somebody who claims she/he did not know she/he could play as female. This is the only point of this thread. Not replacing Sheploo, just show all the options.
I compare this situation with vote polemics back in early twentieth century for two reasons:

1- I work writing books about this issue (firstwave feminism) so it is very familiar to me.

2- You're telling me right when you say "urgh we have found a feminist". It sounds like you (plural "you") are afraid of something, I wonder what. We are not asking for the Moon. I do no understand why you are so against this. If it wasn't important you just wouldn't complain about it, but, helas! you are here, attacking (maybe attack is not a good choice of words but right now nothing else come to my mind) me (us) as I'd swear I'll kick you in the quad if you do no agree with me.

[kalle90]

I just don't see any point in making the same trailers twice, or even worse and create different trailers with all sorts of Shepards. Even if we got Jane it would still feel just as weird as seeing John, probably even moreso. Then again I try to give as little attention to the trailers as possible



Either make the trailers use our Shepards (will happen lulzorz) or focus on Sheploo (who I will not care about)

[Valakas]

Numa-Fai wrote...


Well, man, I cannot help but being feminist, it's just who I am.

It's okay, no one it's telling you shouldn't.

But numbers... Well, sometimes they just have no meaning.

Numbers always matter, always.

Money is what makes the world go round, it's what keeps the sky blue, and the only reason why are able to play mass effect.

Numa-Fai wrote...


2- You're telling me right when you say "urgh we have found a feminist".

No,
it's not"urgh we have found a feminist" it's more like  "urgh, someone
it's trying to turn this into a feminist quarrel", this it's not about
female's place in society, this is not about feminism, it's about A FREAKIN' GAME.

They DO NOT
put femshep on the media because the bast majority of people play a as
male, but you are thinking "bawwwwww the do not put my precious femshep
because they must hate women, what a bunch machist apes.... yes even the women working on this project are machist apes" when this decision is clearly a matter of profit.

What the hell.

It sounds like you (plural "you") are afraid of something, I wonder what.

Well i'm afraid of a hundred things, but nothing related to this matter.

I do no understand why
you are so against this. If it wasn't important you just wouldn't
complain about it, but, helas! you are here, attacking (maybe attack is
not a good choice of words but right now nothing else come to my mind)
me (us) as I'd swear I'll kick you in the quad if you do no agree
with me.

It is important.

it is important that bioware do not waste time and resources into putting femshep in the trailers and advertising, that things cost money that is better employed in other things.

Custom shepard it's not on the trailers either, but no one it's complaining about that.

[Valakas]

kalle90 wrote...

I just don't see any point in making the same trailers twice, or even worse and create different trailers with all sorts of Shepards. Even if we got Jane it would still feel just as weird as seeing John, probably even moreso. Then again I try to give as little attention to the trailers as possible

Either make the trailers use our Shepards (will happen lulzorz) or focus on Sheploo (who I will not care about)

Exactly, this guy understands the point.


Personally i play with "Sheploo", Mainly because i first tried to make my Shepard look like me and failed miserably due to the poor customization options, then i tried to make a shepard that looked good, and failed miserably also, always ended up with a Shepard as crappy looking as an NPC.

So i play as the much more detailed face of Mark Vanderloo, and i'm glad i did now i don't feel weird every time i see the cover of my game or the trailers.

[Gorn Kregore]

sorry but fem shepard could only be exposed to the media if she has a sexually appealing role in the exposure

[Alchemist02]

Problem is with making a femshep comercial is that nobody would know what they'r looking at untill they saw something they reconsize (Like a garrus or even the normandy), If BW hade made a femshep comercial from the start this would not be a problem but now maleshep has become the poster boy for the ME series and people would not know a femshep when/if they saw one so this would be a waste of time and money as people would only connect the game to what they remeber seeing before (Maleshep,Squadmates,Normand etc) a femshep would just be confusing...

[Valakas]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...
 This begs the questions of why so much attention was given to a default male Shepard. Why not Jane Shepard instead?

Bioware decided to make default shepard's face much more detailed than femshep, i don't know why, probably they were aiming to a bigger audience (truth: most gamers are male).

Unlike yourself, are most male gamers incapable of playing a female character in a strong role?

A LOT of people see the romances in ME as a very important thing, most gamers are straight males, so they most likely decided to play as a male because they wanted to romance Tali or something.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

This begs the questions of why so much attention was given to a default male Shepard. Why not Jane Shepard instead? Unlike yourself, are most male gamers incapable of playing a female character in a strong role? 

Jane's face isn't a separate model like John's; it's a normal face created with the same in-game customization system.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Okay what happened here? We have feminists accusing males of being "unable to play a woman in a strong role"? This is getting crazy.



Truth is that default-Shepard is an icon for the series, regardless of how many people create their own Shepard. Trying to change that now or having a different Shepard on each game of the trilogy would be a bit confusing.

[Temper_Graniteskul]

Flies_by_Handles wrote...

 This begs the questions of why so much attention was given to a default male Shepard. Why not Jane Shepard instead? Unlike yourself, are most male gamers incapable of playing a female character in a strong role? 

You're probably not far off. Librarians and writers who deal with young adult fiction have this problem - girls will read anything they're interested in, even if it has a male protagonist, and can still find ways to identify with that protagonist; in part, because there weren't a lot of female protagonists for a long time, particularly in the sci-fi and fantasy genres, but also because they're never given the idea that they shouldn't. Being able to identify with a male is never presented as a bad thing, even if you're female. Female protagonists are good, too, but having a boy or man at the centre won't generally turn them off reading something.

Boys, on the other hand, seem to have real difficulty identifying with a female protagonist, will resist doing so, and are never expected to have to do so. There are a large number of people out there who would rather cater to boys wanting to read about boys than do what they did with the girls: namely, tell them to find a story they like and read it, even if they have to find commonalities with the protagonist other than their sex (motivations, background, ambitions,etc.). Being willing and able to identify with a female character is specifically treated as something males should never have to do, and is viewed as undesirable. Hell, look at the reasons boys and men give for playing a female character in a video game - they (usually) say they want to look at a nice ass, not play a badass war hero space marine who happens to be a woman.

Modifié par Temper_Graniteskul, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Mecha Tengu]

and what exactly will media exposure of femshep accomplish? It has been statistically and scientifically proven that most women do not play video games.



It would be like trying to publicly market lipstick for men

[brfritos]

Mecha Tengu wrote...

and what exactly will media exposure of femshep accomplish? It has been statistically and scientifically proven that most women do not play video games.

It would be like trying to publicly market lipstick for men

Tell me you're beign sarcastic too, please...