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#51
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
*resists referencing Inception....doh just did it*
Yes, that's what I mean. Subtle mind influence via blood magic.



Subtle mind control is possible, if Avernus is to be believed. Remember when he was talking about using blood magic on the nobility. He said he wasn't outright controlling them, just giving them a "push" in the desired direction.

So I think that subtly influencing the reigning monarch could indeed work, as opposed to out and out mind control.

Also, templars, while resistant to mind control, aren't immune. And Alistar, while recieving basic templar training, did not recieve all of it, and only starts with very basic templar skills. One could RP discouraging Alistair from developing his templar talents, keeping him from developing resistance. Leave him unhardened. It would actually work, in some ways, better than having Anora as Monarch. Because of Alistair's history as being raised by the Chantry, and being a templar, people would be even less suspicous, because:

1. They assume, as a good little Chantry boy and former templar, he would NEVER allow himself to keep company with an evil maleficar beyond what was necessary as a grey Warden, so most would assume, that as his chancellor, you're a good little circle mage.

2. That as a templar, he would be highly resistant, even immune, to blood magic or mental manipulations, and thus, your mind control efforts and successes would less likely to be noticed or suspected as such.

I actually considered this with my own blood mage playthrough, and my blood mage did all of the above, except she chose to have Alistair executed because she liked the idea of working with Loghain better. But I had worked out the above reasonings when I was originally trying to decide how I wanted to run that playthrough.

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A warden who is a bloodmage would have an easier time on Alistair than Anora.

He already trusts you so its going to be easier to exert control on him.



A mistress/Bloodmage would have lots of power over him most likely.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Defile the ashes. Even though keeping them intact could cause problems for the Chantry, defiling them and leaving Kolgrim alive will lead to the first outsider conversions to the Disciples of Andraste, which could be huge.

Or see an army to templars and circle mages descend on them and wipe them out. 
Or Orlais arriving to wipe them out since there are many pious people there.

Things dont exist by themselves and there are more powers at work here, with converts starting to arrive news WILL leak out, and then the ramifications wont be so nice.

What happens when the Chantry says the Queen consorts with heretics? The monarch may have power but the chantry can sway as much if not more influence.
 


It depends on whether anyone in Orlais would even believe the story of a group of Cult of Andraste still alive and having turned to worship of a powerful High Dragon as Andraste reborn. Kolgrim doesn't seem like he's looking to venture into the world; the Disciples seem pretty isolated. And I don't see even the most devout Ferelden taking lightly the issue of an army of Orlesians walking into Ferelden for any reason. I doubt the Empress would want to engage in a war with Ferelden over a small town in the Frostback Mountains.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...


As for Chantry Quests. Doing them will reinforce the idea that the Chantry is here to help people. Not doing them will make the people less dependent on the Chantry for help. So yes, it does matter, in an rping sense.


*shrug*  I suppose it could.  Personally I think that if you're the one actually out doing these jobs, for the most part, it's you doing them and you aren't necessarily announcing to the world that you're acting on behalf of the Chantry, necessarily.  But I think that all comes down to interpretation and how you see your character acting. 

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CalJones wrote...

Does anyone know if the Ancient Sylvans still attack you if you don't have that quest in your journal?


I'm pretty sure accepting the quest triggers specific sylvans to attack you.  Of course, there are enemy sylvans in Awakening (in the Wending Wood) anyway, but the point here is to not benefit the Chantry or templars by obtaining samples for them.

Modifié par Riona45, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:45 .


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Just a random thought; but wouldn't just being meh on the Chantry help?





I've got a male Cousland started and I wanted him to be rather bleh on religion; not an outright ass but sort of take it or leave it, not pious at all. I rather thought that having someone who has ~saved~ the world and is generally a good person, but obviously doesn't give a flying crap about the Chantry and makes no show of respect towards them might help too. You know, 'all the cool kids are doing it' sort of thing.

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Elhanan wrote...

Help Bros Burkel; will help take the heat off of Dagna while she gains knowledge of magic and the Circle.


Again, playing in this manner is basically just metagaming.  That said, if someone wants to do it, then do it.

As for the Cult of Andraste...personally, I think if you are against religious extremism (which is why many dislike the Chantry in the first place), you'd refrain from helping them, too.  But again...do as you will.

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Valentia X wrote...

Just a random thought; but wouldn't just being meh on the Chantry help?


Not that I'm not a fan of that "style," but the OP did specifically state that she wanted to undermine the Chantry.  I guess being vocally apathetic might sway some people (hard to say), but the OP implied that she wanted to take a more active role.

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Riona45 wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Just a random thought; but wouldn't just being meh on the Chantry help?


Not that I'm not a fan of that "style," but the OP did specifically state that she wanted to undermine the Chantry.  I guess being vocally apathetic might sway some people (hard to say), but the OP implied that she wanted to take a more active role.



Being actively apathetic, then? :bandit:

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Elhanan wrote...

Help Bros Burkel; will help take the heat off of Dagna while she gains knowledge of magic and the Circle.


Helping Brother Burkel establishes a Chantry in Orzammar, but the mages don't seem to go there because the Assembly restricts the rights of the Chantry members and protests ensue; refusing him and helping Dagna gain entry into the Circle establishes an independent Circle in Orzammar that will have no oversight from the Chantry, and the Divine will contemplate an Exalted March against Orzammar, with no dwarves being members of the Chantry to aid them. The Chantry is dependent on lyrium trade with Orzammar for the Circles and the templars who are addicted to it, and the free mages would likely side with the King of Orzammar.