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[MuteSpeech]

I've gotten a grasp on the concept, but only first heard those terms used here.

What exactly defines a paragade/renegon character? I mean, what decisions does one make to end up as that kind of a character, and how does it impact gameplay?

I've only ever played with two main characters that fit into an archetype, with a male vanguard being the "*@#$ everyone but humans and my team" kind of guy, and my infiltrator fem-shep is the heroic "get as many allies as possible while stepping on as few toes as can be done" type of girl, and starting to experiment with the other classes is really making me look at those types with actual interest.

[IntrepidProdigy]

The best part about being paragade/renegon is that you basically make a character with an actual personality. Picking only one side of the conversation wheel just gets stale and IMO doesn't make any sense as it makes Shepard seem incompetent in some cases.

[swk3000]

My understanding is that a Paragade would be a character who was a Paragon in ME1, and became a Renegade in ME2. A Renegon would be the opposite.

[C9316]

Usually my paragades are people who are nice guys to their teammates and civilians but doesn't take s*it from petty theives and criminals, sometimes even killing them without a second thought. My only renegon is fully commited to the Alliance and won't think twice to get rid of anyone standing in it's way. However he also believes that when the situation calls for it you have to sacrifice the few to save the many.

[Pacifien]

swk3000 wrote...
My understanding is that a Paragade would be a character who was a Paragon in ME1, and became a Renegade in ME2. A Renegon would be the opposite.

That's not how I use the term. I don't play full Paragon, so on the meter scale, it'll show full Paragon with a considerable amount of Renegade. Renegon would be the opposite. It's a way for people to describe their Shepards as not being a complete Paragon or Renegade, but somewhere in between.

[ciaweth]

Pacifien's explanation is how I understood the terms as well.

[NICKjnp]

Tupari has and answer for Paragade.

[Pacifien]

Tupari gives you scale itch.

[JockBuster]

I mostly play as a RENEGon, with about a 2:1 ratio, ie 150% Renegade to 75% Paragon (yeah I know it doesn't add up, but I FILL the Renegade bar WAY before the end of the game, withOUT cheating Xbox360, but I DO spend 4 talent points in Intimidate & none in Charm). But I am NOT stupid about it, playing as a 'total' paragon or renegade, you WILL end up with a number of really dumb decisions (Conrad Verner) that DO have consequences in ME2/3. My paragons come mostly from the major decisions (Feros, Rachni, Wrex, Council) and some of the minor ones (Helena Blake, Hanar). But I DO like to play different games just to SEE/HEAR how the dialogue changes, and BOY does it (Latest, do NOT recruit Garrus & he stays in C-Sec, then recruit Liara LAST), it shows the DEPTH that BW has gone to in developing the story.
Just like who survives the SM with you in ME2 and makes YOUR team stronger in ME3 is your choice. There is no good nor bad choice only your choice, pick wisely and you have a "strong clan" pick badly and the "consequences are yours."

Modifié par JockBuster, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[OniGanon]

IMO it's about roleplaying a character the way you see it, without regard to what colour your response happens to be.



My main Shepard is Colonist, Ruthless. She watched everyone she loved butchered by slavers on Mindoir, before being saved by the Alliance, and later enlisted to ensure people like those that destroyed her home would be found and punished. She led the raid on Torfan, and made sure at any cost that not a single slaver survived. Generally she makes the Paragon choices, but she will always choose to put down the monsters, even if that means a few innocent people die. Their lives weigh heavily on her, but by her thinking, she can either be responsible for a dozen deaths, or she can be responsible for every single death the criminal causes thereafter because she let them get away.

[MuteSpeech]

JockBuster wrote...

I mostly play as a RENEGon, with
about a 2:1 ratio, ie 150% Renegade to 75% Paragon (yeah I know it
doesn't add up, but I FILL the Renegade bar WAY before the end of the
game, withOUT cheating Xbox360, but I DO spend 4 talent points in
Intimidate & none in Charm). But I am NOT stupid about it, playing
as a 'total' paragon or renegade, you WILL end up with a number of
really dumb decisions (Conrad Verner) that DO have consequences in
ME2/3. My paragons come mostly from the major decisions (Feros, Rachni,
Wrex, Council) and some of the minor ones (Helena Blake, Hanar). But I
DO like to play different games just to SEE/HEAR how the dialogue
changes, and BOY does it (Latest, do NOT recruit Garrus & he stays
in C-Sec, then recruit Liara LAST), it shows the DEPTH that BW has gone
to in developing the story.
Just like who survives the SM with you
in ME2 and makes YOUR team stronger in ME3 is your choice. There is no
good nor bad choice only your choice, pick wisely and you have a
"strong clan" pick badly and the "consequences are yours."

You reminded me my main male-shep never bothered with Verner in ME1.

OniGanon wrote...

IMO it's about roleplaying a character the way you see it, without regard to what colour your response happens to be.

My main Shepard is Colonist, Ruthless. She watched everyone she loved butchered by slavers on Mindoir, before being saved by the Alliance, and later enlisted to ensure people like those that destroyed her home would be found and punished. She led the raid on Torfan, and made sure at any cost that not a single slaver survived. Generally she makes the Paragon choices, but she will always choose to put down the monsters, even if that means a few innocent people die. Their lives weigh heavily on her, but by her thinking, she can either be responsible for a dozen deaths, or she can be responsible for every single death the criminal causes thereafter because she let them get away.

That's a pretty cool mindset, I gotta hand it to you.

[Phaedon]

I always that it went like that:



80-100% Paragon choices: Paragon

50-80% Paragon choices: Paragade

20-50% Paragon choices: Renegon

0-20% Paragon choices: Renegade

[Kaiser Shepard]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Tupari gives you scale itch.

A mod contributing to derailment, ...

I like this forumite, she understands! 

What, what? Pacifien is a woman?

I really need to socialize on here more often, as this isn't the first time I've been dead wrong in what I thought a user was.

In any case, my canon Shepard goes from Paragade in Mass 1 (with the majority of the Renegade choices being the bigger ones) to Renegon/Renegade in Mass 2.

The way I play my Shepard, the after-Virmire Council debrief, followed by their and Udina's subsequent betrayal at the Citadel is when my Shepard becomes a Big Damn Renegade. His "redemption" isn't until the Collector Base, although there are some lights along the path (Shiala, David etc.).

[Cra5y Pineapple]

Being possibly the only Renegon on the entire forum, I agree that going all paragon or all renegade is incredibly idealistic/assholish.

My Shepard is more of a dark sense of humour and get the job done type but acts nice to people he likes. Destruction of the Reapers is the primary objective, even if it means giving Cerberus a base. No matter, Liara with her SB resources will take them down eventually, she's the only bigass organisation I trust. =P

[Kronner]

When I play "what I would do" Shepard, I end up with full Paragon bar and about half Renegade. So I guess it could be called Paragade.
Though I have made several really evil playthroughs just for fun, and I still had quite a lot of Paragon points and a full Renegade bar.

Modifié par Kronner, 29 septembre 2010 - 10:07 .

[OniGanon]

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...
No matter, Liara with her SB resources will take them down eventually, she's the only bigass organisation I trust. =P

You do know the Illusive Man knows about Liara, right?

I mean, he knows you went after the Shadow Broker. He knows you went to his base with Liara. He knows you came back without Liara, that the Shadow Broker is still operating, and you didn't seem too cut up about it.

It's not exactly calculus.

Modifié par OniGanon, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:28 .

[Prince Keldar]

OniGanon wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...
No matter, Liara with her SB resources will take them down eventually, she's the only bigass organisation I trust. =P

You do know the Illusive Man knows about Liara, right?

I mean, he knows you went after the Shadow Broker. He knows you went to his base with Liara. He knows you came back without Liara, that the Shadow Broker is still operating, and you didn't seem too cut up about it.

It's not exactly calculus.

In Mass Effect Retribution, it is said that Shepard went off the grid, so who is to say that EDI or anyone is reporting back to the Illusive Man?

This is just my opinion, but I think there is a faction working within Cerberus against the Illusive Man.  That is the Cerberus operative that Anderson was meeting with and it was the opposition that gave Shepard the information on the Shadow Broker, and not the Illusive Man.

Again this is just my opinion based on my interpretation of the evidence.  Also remember in ME1 when Cerberus was a part of the Alliance before they went rogue.  Maybe some Cerberus operatives weren't so thrilled about the direction Cerberus was taking.  I don't know, hopefully everything will be wrapped up in ME3.

Modifié par Prince Keldar, 30 septembre 2010 - 01:44 .

[MuteSpeech]

Prince Keldar wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...
No matter, Liara with her SB resources will take them down eventually, she's the only bigass organisation I trust. =P

You do know the Illusive Man knows about Liara, right?

I mean, he knows you went after the Shadow Broker. He knows you went to his base with Liara. He knows you came back without Liara, that the Shadow Broker is still operating, and you didn't seem too cut up about it.

It's not exactly calculus.

In Mass Effect Retribution, it is said that Shepard went off the grid, so who is to say that EDI or anyone is reporting back to the Illusive Man?

This is just my opinion, but I think there is a faction working within Cerberus against the Illusive Man.  That is the Cerberus operative that Anderson was meeting with and it was the opposition that gave Shepard the information on the Shadow Broker, and not the Illusive Man.

Again this is just my opinion based on my interpretation of the evidence.  Also remember in ME1 when Cerberus was a part of the Alliance before they went rogue.  Maybe some Cerberus operatives weren't so thrilled about the direction Cerberus was taking.  I don't know, hopefully everything will be wrapped up in ME3.

You remember that camera in the SB ship where it shows Jacob working out?
Remember how, when you first get the ship, EDI mentions all the security bugs, and Mordin mentions taking one out and returning it to Miri?

[Cra5y Pineapple]

OniGanon wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...
No matter, Liara with her SB resources will take them down eventually, she's the only bigass organisation I trust. =P

You do know the Illusive Man knows about Liara, right?

I mean, he knows you went after the Shadow Broker. He knows you went to his base with Liara. He knows you came back without Liara, that the Shadow Broker is still operating, and you didn't seem too cut up about it.

It's not exactly calculus.

Exactly, Liara will make the SB seem like a friend to Cerberus. Then we will take them down from the inside...

[HTTP 404]

I played a paragade/renegon vangaurd. Very Ruthless and shows no mercy to enemies. But when it came to someone down on their luck or an innocent bystander, he would be very helpful and sympathatic. Basically he was Jack Bauer.



yes Jack Bauer would fit the renegon bill.

[Fisterbear]

Shandepared wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

I always that it went like that:

80-100% Paragon choices: Paragon
50-80% Paragon choices: Paragade
20-50% Paragon choices: Renegon
0-20% Paragon choices: Renegade

I think that's a great way to define it.

If you play strictly 100% Renegade or Paragon, by that I mean you ALWAYS choose upper right or lower right you will wind up with an inconsistent character. For example a renegade readily accepts working with Cerberus but on the Collector ship suddenly a renegade believes TIM sold them out and a paragon doesn't want to jump to conclusions about somebodoy they don't like or trust.

I gain some paragon points by helping people who need it (and who don't jeopardize the mission) and by being polite to people unless they're thugs.

I noticed that. I play Renegon and I couldn't just accept Cerberus, but since I try not to pick up too many paragon points (Going for the terminator look)  I chose neutral mostly. When the Collector ship mission happened I was able to go for my full renegade choices threatening the Illusive man for setting us up.

I play my canon Sheploo as a renegade who isn't a bad person. He just grew up on the streets of Earth where he had to be tough and a bit of a bully to survive. He never backed down and went at the other gangs headfirst. Very violent person.

Then he joined the military so he could get some of the violence out of his system and do some good. When he was on shoreleave on Elysium the Batarian backed slavers and pirates attacked and Shepard didn't back down once again.

Now he's going head to head with Reapers and Collectors with that same determination and anger he's always had, he's just found a positive outlet for it.

He still tries to help people when he can, and will sacrifice some to make sure that the bad guy doesn't get away to do more harm in the future.

So a lot of choices end up driving him to what we'd call Renegon.