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[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Men want a emotional crying woman they can rescue where as women might want someone more independant and stronger? I have no idea, might just be the preconceptions of the writers, it's definatly not a bug though.

That's...odd.  That's also kind of looking at it from a meta-perspective....in game, Shepard's gender shouldn't matter to Liara.

Also, there are tons of guys that play FemShep.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The whole "Liara not sobbing" with Femshep could just be the fact that there's a bug so the sound doesn't trigger with femshep.

[Count Viceroy]

jlb524 wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Men want a emotional crying woman they can rescue where as women might want someone more independant and stronger? I have no idea, might just be the preconceptions of the writers, it's definatly not a bug though.

That's...odd.  That's also kind of looking at it from a meta-perspective....in game, Shepard's gender shouldn't matter to Liara.

Also, there are tons of guys that play FemShep.

Yeah I know, I didn't say it was a good idea

I'm just thinking bioware assumes most players who play male are male in RL and vice versa. They based the scenes around that and how they thought people wanted to see her react rather than how Liara would have reacted differently if it was "real", which is to say, not at all.

It probably due to the same reasoning as their male only policy in their marketing, that also seems so stem from serious missconceptions. But then again they are the professionals, they know best right? 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:00 .

[Jagged Orchid]

Lizardviking wrote...

The whole "Liara not sobbing" with Femshep could just be the fact that there's a bug so the sound doesn't trigger with femshep.

I really do hope that it is something so simple as that. Again, if it is a bug or an oversight it can potentially be corrected. If however it was deliberatly left out, I'd like to know why. I don't want to jump to conclusions one way or another. I'd just love clarification.

Modifié par Valagil, 29 septembre 2010 - 06:57 .

[adneate]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Men want a emotional crying woman they can rescue where as women might want someone more independant and stronger? I have no idea, might just be the preconceptions of the writers, it's definatly not a bug though.

A bug it is not, even if it's a bit of a hack job the animation sets are different. Seems like an odd distinction to make though that men want a woman to be a weak little doll but switch it over to F/F romance and suddenly she has to be stoic and independent. I'm more and more interested in an offical answer the more I hear about this, I really would like to know why this was done. I can't think of a reason that fits for the life of me . . .

[Count Viceroy]

Indeed, would be interesting to see what bioware had to say on this, but it's 2 seconds in a dlc. Really doubt bioware thinks this is a big issue.

Also, might want to add the vid to the OP. Would certainly help your cause if more people saw it.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:02 .

[jlb524]

adneate wrote...
Seems like an odd distinction to make though that men want a woman to be a weak little doll but switch it over to F/F romance and suddenly she has to be stoic and independent.

Ugh, that sounds terrible.

[Sable Phoenix]

Late to the party, I suppose (well this thread, not the main femShep one where this issue was discovered), but I will add my two cents anyway.

I really can't express my level of disappointment here.  I'm in the middle of doing a totally new playthrough with Jessica Shepard, through both games, from level one no less, specifically to play through the entire Liara romance again and set up my first playthrough of LotSB as one contiguous whole with the rest of the story.

And now I know that when I get Jessica to that point, Liara won't cry, won't smile, apparently just won't love her as much... because she's not a man.

I don't care if it's a bug or a glitch or an oversight or a failure of quality control.  The only thing that matters is patching this.  They did it for Witch Hunt, and after the discontinuation of official support for Dragon Age, yet.  They damn well better do it for this too.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:06 .

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

adneate wrote...
Seems like an odd distinction to make though that men want a woman to be a weak little doll but switch it over to F/F romance and suddenly she has to be stoic and independent.

Ugh, that sounds terrible.

Ya this makes me want to hurt things.

[jwalker]

Pacifien wrote...

jojon2se wrote...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I certainly interpret the scene different based on either variation. The silent crying comes across Liara looking incredibly drained after the fight, a silent release on everything she had worked towards in the past two years. The audible crying comes across as Liara feeling incredibly vulnerable and shaken by the ordeal. I prefer the former, but really I shouldn't talk. She's not my romance, which means her reactions are going to be different simply based on that, nevermind gender.

Everything Liara went through for the past two years (the mourning, the uncertainty ) is the same for both romance versions.But after the fight it seems like Liara is more open, more comfortable around MaleShep. Around him she allows herself to look vulnerable. That's a big difference for me. At least, that's my personal interpretation.

[Count Viceroy]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

I don't care if it's a bug or a glitch or an oversight or a failure of quality control.  The only thing that matters is patching this.  They did it for Witch Hunt, and after the discontinuation of official support for Dragon Age, yet.  They damn well better do it for this too.

Honestly, it'd be a simple thing to just edit the animation for the femshep scene to use the male version. That is if Mass effect was mod friendly, which unfortunatly, it's not.

Also witch hunt other more serious issues that was the reasoning behind the patches.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:08 .

[Aradace]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

. ... They damn well better do it for this too.

Or what, you're going to complain some more? lol

[jlb524]

FemSheps just a fling, man...she's moving on to Feron

[Killjoy Cutter]

adneate wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Men want a emotional crying woman they can rescue where as women might want someone more independant and stronger? I have no idea, might just be the preconceptions of the writers, it's definatly not a bug though.

A bug it is not, even if it's a bit of a hack job the animation sets are different. Seems like an odd distinction to make though that men want a woman to be a weak little doll but switch it over to F/F romance and suddenly she has to be stoic and independent. I'm more and more interested in an offical answer the more I hear about this, I really would like to know why this was done. I can't think of a reason that fits for the life of me . . .

I'm a guy, I play 50/50 between the ShepGenders, and personally I'd rather not have Liara audibly sobbing regardless of the gender of the Shep I'm playing.  That's just me, as a data-point counter to the idea that men would supposedly want a srying woman they can comfort and protect.  Sobbing gets old, trust me.

Now, regardless of what one would like to see, as I said, it should be the same either way.  I completely agree with those who are thinking that Liara's reactions should not change either way. 

The only Liara-centric reason I can even possibly conceive of is that to some degree she's still "playing a role" to some degree because interactions don't come entirely naturally to her, as we saw in ME1.  But that's a real stretch, I think.

[kaskouka]

Bug or not, it is strange to see such differences. When I played my Male Shepard, I had the feeling that the sequences for my Fem Shep were bungled.

If it is deliberate, I find that even worse.

[Midnight_Thirty]

This thread is erring on the side of ridiculous.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Late to the party, I suppose (well this thread, not the main femShep one where this issue was discovered), but I will add my two cents anyway.

I really can't express my level of disappointment here.  I'm in the middle of doing a totally new playthrough with Jessica Shepard, through both games, from level one no less, specifically to play through the entire Liara romance again and set up my first playthrough of LotSB as one contiguous whole with the rest of the story.

And now I know that when I get Jessica to that point, Liara won't cry, won't smile, apparently just won't love her as much... because she's not a man.

I don't care if it's a bug or a glitch or an oversight or a failure of quality control.  The only thing that matters is patching this.  They did it for Witch Hunt, and after the discontinuation of official support for Dragon Age, yet.  They damn well better do it for this too.

You know, I hope that players don't let this ruin the Liara romance for them on FemShep playthroughs. 

No matter the gender of the Shep or the LI they're involved with, it's the player who supplies the emotional context, really.  If Liara loves your Shep, then she loves her Shep, regardless of the audible sobs, the bigger smile, or whatever. 

The more seriously you take Liara as a LI, the less you should let this change things for you, really. 

[kraidy1117]

jlb524 wrote...

FemSheps just a fling, man...she's moving on to Feron

Wounld't be surprised. Feron is a man.

[Naltair]

Midnight_Thirty wrote...

This thread is erring on the side of ridiculous.

I have to agree you are over analyzing this, the issue is the gaffes in the sound and the clipping.

You are putting too much emotion and intent into something that is probably just an oversight.

[Pacifien]

Okay, anyone who thinks this thread is ridiculous, you don't need to tell us you think it's ridiculous. There are plenty of other threads out there that probably meet your discussion needs. And if you're offended by those who think this thread is ridiculous, no need to respond to them either. It's really not going to add to the discussion. Keep to the topic. Keep cool.

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 septembre 2010 - 07:21 .

[Naltair]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

you people just don't get it.......are all of you "that are not supporting this thread" a bunch of little kids behind computer screens? typing on your little keyboards thinkin your post matter and just to try to aggravate people and shows what type of person you are too

Why do it?

you have nothing else to do? it's really sad to see so many people on this damn social site which I am sick of act like this

learn some respect and put yourselves in our shoes.......I would and have done it for you

I can support fixing technical issues.

I have no patience for emotional outcries that are disproportionate to the issue at hand.

In other words, fix the broken stuff leave out the emotional outrage, it just seems kind of silly for such a small thing.