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[Naltair]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, the bug theory has been crushed (pun intended).

It was intentional...

I would not say crushed, it's a different scene but not overly different.  We really have no window into the development process so we can't really say definitively more than that.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Shavon wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
While I didn't ask about her relationship with Feron on the femshep that didn't romance her, I did do it however with the maleshep who didn't have Liara as a LI and she does show an interest towards Feron.

I guess the same applies to Femshep who didn't romance her.

Well, for FemShep, the response from Liara is something along the lines of, "No, I would not pursue a thing with Feron, he is too emotionally fragile".
I don't take that as Liara shwing an interest at all.  I see that as once again, Liara considering Feron a non-option.

The drell has been friend-zoned regardless of MShep, and FShep, but then again,  I was one of the only Liara fans that did not interpret Feron and Liara in the comics as being set up as love interests . . . . unless the dialog with MShep in this conversation is also different.

Another illogical, ridiculous difference, if that is the case.

She says the same thing with non-romanced Maleshep. I guess we enterpretate things diffrently then. Mostly because she doesn't really deny anything, so just says that starting something now would be irresponseble of her.

[Melancholic]

I would imagine the lack of sobbing can be fixed with a 5 kilobyte hotfix that anyone with developer access could cook up in about ten minutes. Make it happen, lads.

Modifié par Melancholic, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:07 .

[ThePasserby]

I may have a theory on the difference, for the cuddling scene, at least. I suspect the slight differences are due to the difference in the time taken for Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale to perform their lines. If you were to go through the two scenes, you'll notice that the line "I have to have something special to come back to," Meer says it perceptibly faster than Hale. Hale's performance of that line is slower and more sensual, like she's savouring the moment. And this, I believe, is what causes the animators to fumble.

Femshep's animation has to be slightly delayed, compared to Maleshep's, due to Hale taking a slightly longer time to deliver that line and this delay cuts into Liara's following line of "I'm open to suggestions." This probably messes up Liara's animation too. Or you could see it as Meer taking a shorter time to deliver that same line, giving Liara more animation time, allowing her to smile a little as she says "I'm open to suggestions."

On a related note, I think the music and animations are synced, so if Meer and Hale vary in the time taken to deliver thier lines, the animators have to slightly alter the animations so that the music and action never get too out of sync.

I've never done any video animation, so I could be off the mark. However, I tend to consider more likely reasons, like human mistakes, or animators trying to cope with differences in performance of the lines, first, and leave impugning the developers of some kind of malicious intent as a last resort, if at all.

/edited for typos

Modifié par ThePasserby, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:10 .

[Jesse Houston]

Hey Folks!

I've noticed some of you have spotted what seems to be a difference between the male and female romance scenes in Lair of the Shadowbroker and that some of you are wondering why this occurred or if it means we somehow devalue one romance over another.

 First, let me say that BioWare values all of the romance options in the Mass Effect series as equally important. No matter who you choose to romance or whether you play male or female Shepard, each romance is equally  important to the story and outcome.

 The difference you are seeing in the videos is cause by a difference in the physical model between male and female Shepard. Basically, we cannot always put a female body on male animations or vice versa otherwise things do not look correct. Female Shepard is slightly smaller than male Shepard which means we need a different set of animations for both male and female. We try to keep the animations for both models as similar as possible, but there are always a few minor differences that have appeared in both Mass Effect 1 and 2. This is one
of those cases where the female animations do not exactly mirror the male animations and you have spotted it.

Effectively these are slightly difference scenes only because of differences in how we create the content for Male and Female Shepard.   The audio differences are for similar reasons, where one mix doesn't work with the Female voice actor. 

Thanks for understanding.

-Jess


Edit - Removing the copy and paste problems from proof reading and spell checking in Word.
Edit2 - Adding some notes around the Audio differences

Modifié par Jesse Houston, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:15 .

[NamiraWilhelm]

Time taken to deliver lines? Can you explain this please, i would have thought everything was recorded then put out at the wanted moment in scene.

[NamiraWilhelm]

Could someone put the dev comments in simple terms for me lol, im having trouble understanding how that explains everything.... I tired me thinks

edit: @rynluna - thank god you said that, i thought i was being really stupid lol

Modifié par NamiraWilhelm, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:14 .

[OrbitalWings]

Jesse Houston wrote...

*snip*

That explains the clipping, which to be honest I'm okay with - it would be too much work to spend double the time doing Shepard's animations for every movement. Despite being a firm FemShep fan, I can accept this.

But what's the issue with the inaudible dialogue?

[ThePasserby]

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Time taken to deliver lines? Can you explain this please, i would have thought everything was recorded then put out at the wanted moment in scene.

For exmaple, Meer takes X seconds to perform the line "I have to have something to come back to, " while Hale takes X + 1 secs to do that. The extra one second means some differences between the male and female animations have to be accounted for.

[NamiraWilhelm]

ThePasserby wrote...

NamiraWilhelm wrote...

Time taken to deliver lines? Can you explain this please, i would have thought everything was recorded then put out at the wanted moment in scene.

For exmaple, Meer takes X seconds to perform the line "I have to have something to come back to, " while Hale takes X + 1 secs to do that. The extra one second means some differences between the male and female animations have to be accounted for.

Right, as in length, im with you now sorry

[Iwakura-Lain]

Count Viceroy wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Also, there are tons of guys that play FemShep.

Yeah I know, I didn't say it was a good idea

And why would this not be a good idea? I'm a guy, and I always play Femshep. It never even occured to me, not even once, to play male shep. I've played dozens of games, all with male leads (for lack of the option). I've never really felt emotionally connected to any of these characters, though. Usually it just involves walking around with a big gun, shooting at everything and everyone.

When I got a chance to play Femshep, however, I felt overjoyed almost to play the woman protagonist.  I've often pondered why playing a Femshep feels so much better to me (as I certainly don't have such issues in RL).  For one, I think, playing a male shep is like you're competing with yourself, as it were (if that makes sense). Taking the opposite gender takes the edge of that strive. Also -- and now it gets all entangled and folded in on itself -- I didn't think I could really role play a male shep because of my thinking a man showing too much care and emotion would look too out of character and awkward. Yes, that's years of male stereotypical conditioning talking. Now, as irony would have it, I know myself to be a sensitive and caring guy. Yet the double irony of that situation (I told you this would horridly fold in on itself, LOL) is, that the one ingame male who actually does show emotion and care, Kaidan, is the one guy I can't stand (and probably for that reason). So, I'm a caring and gentle guy who feels role playing such a guy would be out of character, who can't stand Kaidan for it, and rathers plays Femshep to make it all happen. Did I leave anything out?

Femshep ain't weak; and she's certainly no softie. There is, of course, just something about the female voice that makes her eminently more suited to express emotion (certainly if that voice is attached to Jennifer Hale). It's not just Mark Meer's performance (although I think it could have been better; but let's not open that can of worms). For instance, I study Japanese now, where I really notice the difference. The women are so articulate, so clear and crisp; while Japanese men just tend to slur. There's probably nothing biologically wrong with our voices; it's just that men, I think, assumed not to express emotion, don't generally bother training themselves in the art. So, for role playing, the voice alone makes a female so much more appealing to me.

There's also things, role-playing wise, I'd never do with a male shep. For instance, I love to accessorize, and color-coordinate my Femshep's gear. It's important, LOL. With my male shep (that I just quickly created once, just for giggles) I never bothered, or ever would. Role playing the guy I just slapped on the first best N7 suit that came along, and was done with it. Well, apart from burying myself in the part, there's also the simple fact that I want my Femshep to look good (sorry, I'm a guy, after all). And I find that creating the perfect Femshep also tickles the artistic bone, really. Again, with a male shep I wouldn't bother, and didn't (I just picked a prefab face for him, and only changed skin tone a bit, is all).

And lastly, my male actions would likely be too renegade.

[Melancholic]

Jesse Houston wrote...

Hey Folks!

I've noticed some of you have spotted what seems to be a difference between the male and female romance scenes in Lair of the Shadowbroker and that some of you are wondering why this occurred or if it means we somehow devalue one romance over another.

 First, let me say that BioWare values all of the romance options in the Mass Effect series as equally important. No matter who you choose to romance or whether you play male or female Shepard, each romance is equally important to the story and outcome.

 The difference you are seeing in the videos is cause by a difference in the physical model between male and female Shepard. Basically, we cannot always put a female body on male animations or vice versa otherwise things do not look correct. Female Shepard is slightly smaller than male Shepard which means we need a
different set of animations for both male and female. We try to keep the animations for both models as similar as possible, but there are always a few minor differences that have appeared in both Mass Effect 1 and 2. This is one
of those cases where the female animations do not exactly mirror the male animations and you have spotted it.

Thanks for understanding

-Jess


Edit - Removing the copy and paste problems from proof reading and spell checking in Word.

Thank you for taking the time to respond. I think we can all accept that minor clipping sometimes cannot be helped.

However, this does not explain the absence of audible sobbing as explained in the starting post.

[Jesse Houston]

ThePasserby wrote...

For exmaple, Meer takes X seconds to perform the line "I have to have something to come back to, " while Hale takes X + 1 secs to do that. The extra one second means some differences between the male and female animations have to be accounted for.

This is effectively the case.  It's not an exact science and most often than most people can't tell the difference.

[jwalker]

jlb524 wrote...

GamerFSS86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

GamerFSS86 wrote...

it's just a bug.....in the game

every game has bugs lol annoying little damn things

so how long do you all think it will take BW to fix something this humongous little bug?

Considering the Conrad Verner bug still excist....

FOREVER!!

HAHA! ENJOY YOUR CLEARLY BROKEN AND FAR LESS ENJOYABLE LOTSB EXPERIENCE AS A FEMSHEP!

LMFAO

I don't find that funny.

Me neither.

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...

Okay, thank you for replying to the
thread.  But how does that explain Liara's animations.  You can see her
sobbing and hear Ali Hillis voice her sobbing as well in the male
version.  Can something be done about this???  Thanks.

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

That explains the clipping, which to be honest I'm okay with - it would be too much work to spend double the time doing Shepard's animations for every movement. Despite being a firm FemShep fan, I can accept this.

But what's the issue with the inaudible dialogue?

Yeah, the reason for the clipping difference is obvious and I'm really not upset about that.  However, this will not explain the audio difference or the Liara smiling differences in the cabin.