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[Melancholic]

Let's keep this civil. I don't like their explanation either, but raging will only cause them to stop coming here. I think we presented our case as best we can. It's in their hands now. Going by the most recent response Bioware doesn't consider this a problem, much less one worth fixing, but further posting here won't change that. Since we have the required audio, maybe some day we'll be able to mod it in?

[Killjoy Cutter]

I think what Houston is trying to say about the differing animations is that when they have to do two different animations to account for the different size of the models, different VA performances, etc, they don't always get exactly the same animation to the very last detail between the two ShepGenders -- and that it's in no way intentional. So when Liara doesn't smile as big for one as for the other, or closes her eyes longer, it's just a small difference that wasn't written it, it just worked out that way.



I understand the fervent desire to stand up for the FemShep option and get equal attention to detail. Female characters are still somewhat second-class citizens of many forms of media. But it's not going to make anything better by being so determined to be mad about this that you're not willing to see how something like this might happen from a purely technical standpoint and that no one at Bioware meant anything by it, and that it's not a slight of FemShep at all. I can't tell you who here might be at that point, you can only tell yourselves.

[Jagged Orchid]

I can accept the explanation for some of the animations. I can even understand and accept the explanation for Liara not smiling in the above mentioned scene. However, as a few others have pointed out, what I can't understand and don't accept is why Liara can sob in the male scene and not the female scene. I could understand if Hale had spoken lines right there, but she does not.

[OrbitalWings]

Melancholic wrote...

Let's keep this civil. I don't like their explanation either, but raging will only cause them to stop coming here. I think we presented our case as best we can. It's in their hands now. Going by the most recent response Bioware doesn't consider this a problem, much less one worth fixing, but further posting here won't change that. Since we have the required audio, maybe some day we'll be able to mod it in?

PC players should be able to find a way round it eventually.

360 players are stuck with an incomplete scene until BW decides to do something about it, which judging by their response, is unlikely.

[Pacifien]

More productive I think not to demand change for LotSB. That DLC is out, those animations are done. But as I linked to earlier, the development team obviously listened to the complaints about a female Shepard using the same sit animation as a male Shepard, particularly when sitting with her little black dress. They changed it with LotSB. They will listen to feedback, but can only apply it to their future development. Bring your concerns to their attention so they can improve on their next animations and cinematics.

Constant negative criticism is soul-sucking. You'd rather just walk away and not look back than being told that all your effort is ****. Instead, let them know it was faulty. Let them know what they overlooked and where they can improve. Then you've gone from rage-filled criticism to beneficial critique.

That's just my opinion.

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:07 .

[Mox Ruuga]

I guess even the most brilliant piece of DLC can be rendered unplayable due to clipping issues.

[AngryFrozenWater]

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reading BW reply now.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:15 .

[Pacifien]

Judging by all the threads lamenting the awkward male Shep sitting animations on a female Shepard a few months ago, you'd think those threads went nowhere as well. But Bioware did respond, they responded by showing us something different on their latest DLC. I'd expect similar response to this criticism as well.

[OrbitalWings]

People seem to be focussing way too much on the animation issues here. As FemShep players, we're used to weird things happening with her - we got over that ages ago.

What is just wrong is that Liara has missing audio. Not altered to suit Hale's performance, not changed for time reasons - missing.

There is enough time in the scene to include the sobbing as it is in the male version.

Modifié par Metal-Dragon-Kiryu, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:22 .

[OrbitalWings]

rynluna wrote...
I still didn't get a concrete answer on why Liara sobs for MaleShep and not my FemShep since there are no lines spoken by Hale before that instance.....

Which is what we clearly stated was the biggest issue right at the beginning. It's been completely ignored.

[Verit]

The dev answer, while appreciated, seemed really vague and doesn't explain the difference we're seeing here. I get the impression Jesse mostly tried to avoid admitting that there are actual problems due to a somewhat rushed implementation of the Femshep scenes so that they wouldn't be asked to patch it, instead referring to clipping and missing audio as "differences" rather than actual mistakes or oversights. Understandable, although the problem is also that such a reply doesn't really address the concern that these issues will continue to appear in future content.

[Count Viceroy]

Pacifien wrote...

Judging by all the threads lamenting the awkward male Shep sitting animations on a female Shepard a few months ago, you'd think those threads went nowhere as well. But Bioware did respond, they responded by showing us something different on their latest DLC. I'd expect similar response to this criticism as well.

Indeed, you have a point, but most of the complaints are on liaras end,  the sobbing and smiling bits. They have nothing to do with shepards animation and rigging. Sure, he explained the clipping bits in regards to shepard but nothing else.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 septembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

Pacifien wrote...

More productive I think not to demand change for LotSB. That DLC is out, those animations are done. But as I linked to earlier, the development team obviously listened to the complaints about a female Shepard using the same sit animation as a male Shepard, particularly when sitting with her little black dress. They changed it with LotSB. They will listen to feedback, but can only apply it to their future development. Bring your concerns to their attention so they can improve on their next animations and cinematics.

Constant negative criticism is soul-sucking. You'd rather just walk away and not look back than being told that all your effort is ****. Instead, let them know it was faulty. Let them know what they overlooked and where they can improve. Then you've gone from rage-filled criticism to beneficial critique.

I can see that. I even agree with it. Can't say I've seen all that much "rage-filled criticism," though. Pangs of pain, yes, sometimes expressed equally painful. Anyway, the point I'm actually trying to make, is that I hope Bioware takes it all in, chaff and grain alike, as a collective 'mood' expressed here, 16 pages long already; and that the mood wasn't a happy one. Much will have been gained already if that's the case. Especially if the devs really got from this that we Femshep players are really quite sensitive (and protective, you could say) about our Femshep getting an equal share in the game-experience; and that it's not a trivial matter.

Thank you.

[AngryFrozenWater]

OK. I've read the BW response now. It looks like we were right. FemShep is not getting the same quality handling as MaleShep. And from what I read there are no signs this will change in the future. It looks like BW is satisfied with the results. Otherwise they would not have left it in this state. That's too bad.