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[Naltair]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

It must be a slow week, because of all the things to be really upset about this would not be one of them.

I see your distress but you are making a mountain of a molehill.

I disagree. We paid money. I paid money for an experince, not a half-assed put together experince when Maleshep got better treatment. It's always been like this,  LotSB however hit home when you don't even hear Liara cry if you play a Femshep.<_<

I didn't even hear her cry when I played, wow... seriously after watching the scenes maybe I am just not that observant but they seem also exactly the same besides the different models and voices.

[kraidy1117]

GamerFSS86 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Valagil wrote...

Thanks for taking the time to create this thread. I know it may be seen by some as a minor detail, but at the same time, it really does make a world of difference.

I think my major gripe is I paid ten bucks for thia DLC and we get the short end of the stick. It looks like pure laziness or Bioware just didn't put the effort into Femshep.

or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

and thats what I am thinkin what happened... how can something this big be an oversight or screw up? how?

They probaly thought us Femshep players would never find out about this <_<

[Naltair]

Cartims wrote...

If there is a mountain to be made, so be it.....it's time that we stop being treated like second class citizens...it's minor to you, it's major when you have to be discriminated against just for being yourself....it has to STOP....enough is enough.....

What?  This has nothing to do with being gay or lesbian?

[Naltair]

rynluna wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...
or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

Okay,  well if they say it's intentional then we would need a reason for that.  In the cabin scene vids, there are subtle differences between genders.  Liara smiles more with MaleShep.  So are they saying that Liara is not as happy with FemShep?  lol

Maybe you are just reading WAY too much into this?

[kraidy1117]

mashavasilec wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

It must be a slow week, because of all the things to be really upset about this would not be one of them.

I see your distress but you are making a mountain of a molehill.

I disagree. We paid money. I paid money for an experince, not a half-assed put together experince when Maleshep got better treatment. It's always been like this,  LotSB however hit home when you don't even hear Liara cry if you play a Femshep.<_<

the worst thing is

it wasn't always like this. i had zero complaints for ME1

Really I rather just play ME now. At least Femshep and Liara where not half assed and felt good. We didn't have to put up with this crap.

[jlb524]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

I think intentional would be worse, IMO.

I see your point, but if they could provide a good enough reason for it - from a writing point of view, I mean.

I can't see there being a good reason for writing one scene as clearly inferior to the other.

[Larask]

Wow, I had no idea about those differences. The first few I don't really mind, but the one where Liara cries is a bit disconcerting. I don't see the point of doing it different. The thing is that BioWare does know that they should pay more attention to fem.Shepard, they don't because they don't want to, at least this imo.



But don't let those things ruin the DLC for you guys, it's still excellent regardless of that. Hopefully BioWare will just be a bit more careful for ME3.

[kraidy1117]

Naltair wrote...

rynluna wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...
or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

Okay,  well if they say it's intentional then we would need a reason for that.  In the cabin scene vids, there are subtle differences between genders.  Liara smiles more with MaleShep.  So are they saying that Liara is not as happy with FemShep?  lol

Maybe you are just reading WAY too much into this?

No, Liara looks more happy to be with Maleshep, that hurts. That's sexism right there.

[tmk]

GamerFSS86 wrote...
I am a big fan oh FemShep and I just don't understand why BW would let this slide...

I would like to know is...

was this a screw up? no ones perfect

or was this intentionally?

I cannot see why this would be intentional. It's probably an oversight coming from the fact that either nobody tested it, or no single person tested both versions. Frankly, even some people who played both ways didn't notice the difference right away. It's relatively easy to miss when you don't know what to look for.

Still, I think more attention should be paid for such details. I know Bioware has put a lot of effort into gameplay element of this DLC (going as far as adding a whole new power and stuff), but for many people romance content is just as (if not more) important part of the experience as that. As weird as it may sound, I think these problems are as important as bugs in combat gameplay.

Modifié par tmk, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:47 .

[Naltair]

I watched the videos... and I am mystified if there are differences they must be pretty minute changes because the scenes looked pretty much the same and I got the same emotional feeling. I play as a male Shepard but the female one just seemed fine to me.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:44 .

[kraidy1117]

Larask wrote...

Wow, I had no idea about those differences. The first few I don't really mind, but the one where Liara cries is a bit disconcerting. I don't see the point of doing it different. The thing is that BioWare does know that they should pay more attention to fem.Shepard, they don't because they don't want to, at least this imo.

But don't let those things ruin the DLC for you guys, it's still excellent regardless of that. Hopefully BioWare will just be a bit more careful for ME3.

It will be better if us femshe players get the experince we should get.<_<

[Naltair]

kraidy1117 wrote...
No, Liara looks more happy to be with Maleshep, that hurts. That's sexism right there.

That is an interpretation and cannot be construed as fact.

[Jagged Orchid]

jlb524 wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

I think intentional would be worse, IMO.

I see your point, but if they could provide a good enough reason for it - from a writing point of view, I mean.

I can't see there being a good reason for writing one scene as clearly inferior to the other.

I have to agree. There really is no logical reason for them to write that part out. It really does not make sense. I think that it truely was an oversite or bug. At least thats what I hope.

Modifié par Valagil, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Ulathar]

jlb524 wrote...

Systemlord Baal wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

mashavasilec wrote...

or it's going to be explained as intentional. as in 'intentional non-togglable helmets'

I think intentional would be worse, IMO.

I see your point, but if they could provide a good enough reason for it - from a writing point of view, I mean.

I can't see there being a good reason for writing one scene as clearly inferior to the other.

I know ... that's what I meant in my first post here - I couldn't come up with a good reason for it myself so far

[Naltair]

Is there some part missing, because the scenes looked the same to me?

[TheGreenLion]

Haven't played the DLC, but it sounds like someone went over their alotted time for producing the Lair of the Shadow Broker. Could be the case, or could be they had one team on the Male Shep interactions and another on Fem Shep interactions which might cause such a variance too. There's plenty of reasons for something like that to happen.



That being said, slow your venom...there are ways to get your opinion across without throwing around threats and general angry banter. The issue does need to be addressed, but if they have to go through pages of "I am very displeased" or "you guys seriously f'd up" then I don't see how this thread can be useful. Let's at least act like we're civil...even though we would like to rage.

[Ulathar]

Valagil wrote...
I have to agree. There really is no logical reason for them to write that part out. It really does not make sense. I think that it truely was an oversite or bug. At least thats what I hope was.

I hope it's a bug, because a bug can be fixed. I mean the silence there could be explained by the sobbing VO not being triggered with FemShep for some reason.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Perhaps there needs to be someone in charge who actually cares about FemShep for future patches, DLCs, and ME3. Don't get the wrong impression. I don't mean that in a bad way. But FemShep feels like an after thought. Someone who's responsible for the female character can make sure the quality equals that of the male character during development. Just brain storming.

[kraidy1117]

TheGreenLion wrote...

Haven't played the DLC, but it sounds like someone went over their alotted time for producing the Lair of the Shadow Broker. Could be the case, or could be they had one team on the Male Shep interactions and another on Fem Shep interactions which might cause such a variance too. There's plenty of reasons for something like that to happen.

That being said, slow your venom...there are ways to get your opinion across without throwing around threats and general angry banter. The issue does need to be addressed, but if they have to go through pages of "I am very displeased" or "you guys seriously f'd up" then I don't see how this thread can be useful. Let's at least act like we're civil...even though we would like to rage.

We want Bioware to fix this. This was our hard earn money spent. Some of us are more angry then the rest and that's expected.

[Naltair]

I just don't see what you are all seeing, maybe what 15 seconds of a 2-3 hour DLC and this causes you to consider the whole thing a waste of your money? I can see not being happy but calling it a waste of money is hyperbolic at best.

[lastpatriot]

With almost half of the fans of the ME series being those that play as a FemShep, it would be nice if future content for the game were to receive the same level of detail as it does for the ManShep players. 

As BioWare has a history of providing the most interactive games for both male and female players, we feel that this subject and our concerns relating to it, to be key in any future development of the genre.

Thanks!
 
-Devoted Mass Effect Fan

Modifié par lastpatriot, 29 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .