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[davidshooter]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Have you seen Sheploo smile? Have you? That is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. And you're demanding answers for a second of missing sobbing noises .

People want to know why Bioware made 2 different cutscenes for the same section of game - it's not just missing audio.  Some people are pretty upset, others - like myself - are intrigued as to what the reasoning was behind this decision particularly in light of the fact that a dev has now commented with a response that was suspiciously silent on the real issue of two different versions of an otherwise identical cutscene.

[JaylaClark]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Have you seen Sheploo smile? Have you? That is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. And you're demanding answers for a second of missing sobbing noises when the devs still have to answer for putting such a horrible, fightening image in the game that I still wake at night screaming?

If anything, the devs clearly favour femshep. That single expression was a cruel torture meant to deliberately drive us away from Sheploo.

I have a feeling my friends will give me DFTT stuff about this, but :P:P ^^THIS^^!

EDIT -- not to take away from the underlying issue, of course.  Just to agree that I've seen the Shepard is PLEASED meme and gotten nightmares.

Modifié par JaylaClark, 30 septembre 2010 - 03:24 .

[Whatever42]

davidshooter wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Have you seen Sheploo smile? Have you? That is the creepiest thing I have ever seen. And you're demanding answers for a second of missing sobbing noises .

People want to know why Bioware made 2 different cutscenes for the same section of game - it's not just missing audio.  Some people are pretty upset, others - like myself - are intrigued as to what the reasoning was behind this decision particularly in light of the fact that a dev has now commented with a response that was suspiciously silent on the real issue of two different versions of an otherwise identical cutscene.

I was just teasing. I really want to know why the PC version of LotSB was all zeroes and it took them half a day to fix it. Their answer really didn't jive either. But it doesn't really matter. It was a mistake and all you can really do is bring it to their attention and hope they don't repeat it. Good luck to you in getting an answer, though.

[cachx]

Maybe someone should add this to the "list of things that will never-ever be fixed", and just move on.

If the devs look at this and don't acknowledge bigger bugs that have been there since release (paragon Conrad, missing music in Samara vs Morinth, Shepard going through tables to drink, etc)  then I'll be upset.

[Therion942]

Interesting.

But also something that has absolutely no effect on gameplay, so don't expect it to be fixed.

Consider this a friendly bump for the cause, I always root for the underdog.

[Naltair]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Okay, this annoys me almost as much as anything else about this whole mess.

Don't assume the game is 'ruined' for us just because we feel strongly and negatively about part of it.  You don't care.  We get it.  Quit trying to marginalize our feelings on the matter by pretending that it's the only thing that any of us care about and engaging in hyperbole (this goes for everyone, I'm just picking this post out as a glaring example).  I wouldn't get involved in the first place if I didn't like the game, and I daresay that it's the same for the rest here as well.

I am not assuming I am going off of what posters like you, or support your argument, have said in this thread with this woe is me attitude.  How else am I supposed to phrase it?  Do I think it's a technical issue of course I do.  Do I think honestly that BioWare will go back and fix this DLC, I highly doubt it.  Do I think that our concerns will hopefully have them do better in the future, I wholeheartedly agree and hope so.

Do I think that some people have gone way overboard in their sentiments on this issue, I think so.  that does not mean I want to marginalize you in any way but I do want to bring it to the forefront that some arguments on this issue are just not all that valid if you want change.  

I believe that your enjoyment should matter but some of these over the top statements in this thread about the impact of this "scene" are a little ridiculous.  I totally understand being disappointed and it sucks but it seems like some people are taking this scene as a personal attack on their person or play style.  That to me is a little bit alarmist.

I actually think this is a great discussion and I find it interesting what can set people off and I wholeheartedly enjoy all this passion about a game we all love.  But even I have to admit we may need to reign in that passion, and channel it, if we want others to take us seriously.

Modifié par Naltair, 30 septembre 2010 - 03:49 .

[tmk]

Naltair wrote...
I am not assuming I am going off of what posters like you, or support your argument, have said in this thread with this woe is me attitude.  How else am I supposed to phrase it?

In a non-derogatory manner, ideally.

Naltair wrote...I believe that your enjoyment should matter but some of these over the top statements in this thread about the impact of this "scene" are a little ridiculous.  I totally understand being disappointed and it sucks but it seems like some people are taking this scene as a personal attack on their person or play style.  That to me is a little bit alarmist.

Ryn is not in control of any and all posts in this thread. In fact, what she is trying to say about this is not unlike what you're trying to say. Thing is, the reaction wouldn't be as bad if this was an isolated thing - but it's just another one in the long list of things that seem to indicate that femShep scenes are thrown together from reused Sheploo material without much concern for quality.

We've been dealing with animation reuse for a while now. Now it seems it's getting worse, with whole audio bits missing from femShep scene for no apparent reason. If this goes on, in ME3 we might end up with Shepard being referred to as "he" regardless of sex/gender and other stuff like this... (in fact I think Shepard is already referred to as "he" in Anderson's dossier). We just want more attention to femShep, not less.

Modifié par tmk, 30 septembre 2010 - 04:19 .

[jlb524]

That's right...Shepard is referred to as 'he' in the Anderson dossier regardless of gender.

[Jesse Houston]

Hey Folks,



You guys can believe me or not, but at the end of the day, please understand that are we working very hard to give you folks the best possible experience on both FemShep and ManShep. I promise you though, that what you're seeing as differences are glitches and not intentional at all. This was not oversight or rushed, it was simply a bug that was missed.



We take this stuff very seriously, which is why after a 17 hour workday (working to bring you folks more quality stuff) I'm now at home catching up on this thread. We're reading this and many other forum posts and we will be putting a renewed effort to ensure these sorts of bugs do not occur on any potential future DLC and Mass Effect titles. Our goal has and will continue to be to ensure that female and male Shepard have a truly equitable experience and that no one group of people feel left out.



Thanks everyone for keeping an eye out for quality and thanks to those who provided respectful and honest feedback. I know at the end of the day, all everyone here is looking for is the best possible game. Understand that we too are doing whatever we can to deliver on that expectation!



-Jess

[jlb524]

Thanks Jesse!

[ADLegend21]

Thanks Jesse! =D

[Onyx Jaguar]

I see a complaint in this thread about dialogue differences between Manshep and Femshep and how they shouldn't be there.



That is driving me insane.



"Eh, I could play as Shepard as a man, or Shepard as a woman. They are both the same"



That is all I will comment on as I almost never play as Manshep to begin with so this thread is relatively news to me.

[tmk]

Thank you for replying Jesse, and also for listening and understanding. Sorry if I came off too dismissive, I'm sure you guys have constraints to deal with, and it's not just that you don't care.

Modifié par tmk, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[jwalker]

Thanks Jesse for taking the time of reading and writing.

[Sable Phoenix]

17 hours and now reading the forums?

... that's dedication. I'm impressed. Thank you for letting us know that you're there and involved.

Since it really is glitching (which does make the most sense, my apologies for concluding otherwise), is there any chance it will be patched? I'd be perfectly content to wait for the 1.03 patch for the game as a whole if I knew was at least going to be addressed.  Granted there are other things that are more urgent since they affect more players directly, like the Conrad Verner bug, but it would be very nice to get the glitched animations (of which there are several more beyond the scenes we've mentioned, such as femShep's lips not even moving during some of her dialogue in LotSB) polished out of what is already universally acknowledged as an excellent DLC.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:55 .

[tmk]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
I see a complaint in this thread about dialogue differences between Manshep and Femshep and how they shouldn't be there.

You're getting it wrong. The dialogue is largely the same and nobody is complaining about when it's actually different on purpose (because it makes sense in those cases). The issue is that a few fine details are missing from femShep version of the scene (Liara's facial animations and especially the infamous sobbing exert), which is upsetting because those little details could add a lot more emotion to the scene, and because such problems are so common with femShep that it starts to look like a pattern.

Modifié par tmk, 30 septembre 2010 - 05:57 .

[Iwakura-Lain]

Jesse Houston wrote...

Hey Folks,

You guys can believe me or not, but at the end of the day, please understand that are we working very hard to give you folks the best possible experience on both FemShep and ManShep. I promise you though, that what you're seeing as differences are glitches and not intentional at all. This was not oversight or rushed, it was simply a bug that was missed.

We take this stuff very seriously, which is why after a 17 hour workday (working to bring you folks more quality stuff) I'm now at home catching up on this thread. We're reading this and many other forum posts and we will be putting a renewed effort to ensure these sorts of bugs do not occur on any potential future DLC and Mass Effect titles. Our goal has and will continue to be to ensure that female and male Shepard have a truly equitable experience and that no one group of people feel left out.

Thanks everyone for keeping an eye out for quality and thanks to those who provided respectful and honest feedback. I know at the end of the day, all everyone here is looking for is the best possible game. Understand that we too are doing whatever we can to deliver on that expectation!

-Jess

+25 Paragon

[jojon2se]

davidshooter wrote...
Yes, but what gets me is the response is BS.  If you sync the 2 videos thay are perfectly 100% exact.  When you get them right on top of each other you can't even tell there are 2 different audio tracks playing.  The music, the length of the scenes - the animations - everything.  At the end when Liara turns around and says "it's been two years"  sounds like one voice. These are two different versions of the exact same cutscene.   I'm dying to know what happened and why a dev is trying to avoid giving the real explanation.

That IS the real explanation, as far as I understood.

The total length and pacing of the scene is timelocked to the soundtrack, so when the duration of one segment of voiceacting differs between the two instances, the following bits needs adapting, in order to keep the rythm up.
I haven't reconstructed your syncing experiment, but it could even be possible that one frame, overlapped by an extended preceding shot, could be the one that contains the cue for the sobbing audio in the "master storyboard" timeline, meaning the cue is lost and possibly forgotten and therefore the audio doesn't begin playing. As to why (.. should that be the case) nobody noticed, we can only speculate - maybe none of the cinematographers/testers watched them side by side and it never occurred to them it wasn't supposed to be that way, maybe even, like myself, finding the quiet and wide-open-eyed version more powerful, or equal, at least.

The most important Liara smile in the DLC, as far as I am concerned, is the small one she makes to herself, while she walks away to prepare embarking, after you invite her back to the Normandy (although she must have seen most of the ship already, during the trip TO the lair . It kind of shows a spark of life and happiness rekindling in her, after her two years of steeling herself against hardships and any grinning previous to it, almost kind of cheapens it. It's almost as important as the fact that it is she who steals the first kiss.

Modifié par jojon2se, 30 septembre 2010 - 07:11 .

[DaBigDragon]

I noticed all these too, but I just figured they were bugs.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Luc0s wrote...

Some people still don't seem to realize that femshep = maleshep + female model + female voice. This naturally results in some clipping here and there. And the missing sobbing voice? Just a glitch obviously.

Femshep is just an extra, always was. You people should be happy that Bioware gives you the option to play female, a lot of (sci-fi) games don't even give you that option. Now quit moaning about these MINOR issues and just move on, shall we?

Thanks for your opinion. Luckily BW has chosen the side of the OP.

[MarkusWhatever]

It's great to see that Bioware pays a lot of attention to the forum and really cares for the concerrns of the players.

That's what sets you guys apart from many other companies.

[Sable Phoenix]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

Some people still don't seem to realize that femshep = maleshep + female model + female voice. This naturally results in some clipping here and there. And the missing sobbing voice? Just a glitch obviously.

Femshep is just an extra, always was. You people should be happy that Bioware gives you the option to play female, a lot of (sci-fi) games don't even give you that option. Now quit moaning about these MINOR issues and just move on, shall we?

Thanks for your opinion. Luckily BW has chosen the side of the OP.

It's not about "sides", really, it's about delivering a quality game experience to all players, one that avoids even the inadvertent appearance of favoritism.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 30 septembre 2010 - 08:00 .