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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Obviously Casey Hudson hates women and wants them all to be shunned by intentionally not making Liara cry and then making sure to include the clipping to really rub it in their vaginas.

That is obviously what is happening here.

Actually CHudson once called femShep "sexual starved T-Rex" in relation to femShep = Jacob romance... that's why situaton like this frankly NOT surprised me...

Really? Got a link to that?

Regarding the orginal topic of this thead: I think the clipping issues are simple mistakes and oversights. But I do wonder why Femshep lacks the dialog???

[lastpatriot]

Shavon wrote...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it had to do with the animators being lazy, not a hatred of FemShep. Bioware is one of the only companies that always have the option to play as a Female PC, and although they could do miles better with little things like these animation issues, clipping, and marketing, they are still miles ahead of other game companies who completely ignore the female gaming population.

Well said!  It is also the reason why I am so excited about *cough* the new Star Wars MMO they are making!

-Sorry to go off topic there for a sec....

[Ulathar]

I believe the threads intention was to show BW that there are actually quite a few people who cares about this and to ask if there was actually a reason for this. Like I said before, a bug is a plausible reason, one which can be fixed.



Just a general thought - let's be calm about this. That is the best way to actually get a reply...raging won't get us what we want - IMO.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Actually CHudson once called femShep "sexual starved T-Rex" in relation to femShep = Jacob romance... that's why situaton like this frankly NOT surprised me...

I'd want to see the full context on that, because my first impression isn't very favorable.  I'm thinking it almost had to be meant in jest or sarcasm.

I play about 50/50, and seriously, none of my FemSheps would have any interest in Jacob. 

[Naltair]

rynluna wrote...

She (Ali Hillis) voices an actual sobbing cry with MaleShep.  With FemShep there is silence and it sucks.

Just seems like an oversight to me, it sucks for you to be sure, but I think it's just bad coding or whatever.  If it can be fixed then it will be.  My only caveat is if there is a precedent for fixing minor issues like this?  I mean we still have the Renegade Conrad in the main game.

[jlb524]

Systemlord Baal wrote...

I believe the threads intention was to show BW that there are actually quite a few people who cares about this and to ask if there was actually a reason for this. Like I said before, a bug is a plausible reason, one which can be fixed.

Just a general thought - let's be calm about this. That is the best way to actually get a reply...raging won't get us what we want - IMO.

This.

I think it's great that some don't find this to be an issue and can continue playing their LotSB romance and forget about the difference, but there are some that do think it's an issue (like, me) and this is what this particular thread is for.

[Naltair]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Actually CHudson once called femShep "sexual starved T-Rex" in relation to femShep = Jacob romance... that's why situaton like this frankly NOT surprised me...

I'd want to see the full context on that, because my first impression isn't very favorable.  I'm thinking it almost had to be meant in jest or sarcasm.

I play about 50/50, and seriously, none of my FemSheps would have any interest in Jacob. 

My gut says quote is probably taken out of context and is most likely a joke if it exists at all.

[Pacifien]

The interesting thing is that LotSB seemed to address the need for different animations between female and male Shepards.

I don't know why the scenes are different in regards to the romance, but I can speculate a few reasons, none of which concern ill intent on the part of the developers. I mostly wonder if the two scenes simply had different animators, but I suppose you'd need to actually overlay the scenes on top of each other to see those slight deviations. I had read somewhere that Bioware Montreal helped with the cinematics, which likely means different people working on variations of the same thing.

Of course, I understand the complete befuddlement on why the scenes wouldn't play out exactly the same, not just in clipping issues, but the dialogue. Easy to explain if different people actually worked on the two variations. Not cool, but explainable at least.

As to whether Bioware is going to fix it, I think they really need to bring out a patch for LotSB addressing a lot of technical issues. Could throw in a correction for this scene on top of it, but I doubt it.

Modifié par Pacifien, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:15 .

[jojon2se]

This wouldn't be the first case of bugged missing audio in ME2 - refer to the Samara/Morinth confrontation.

If the team has indeed actually taken the time to produce separate Liara anims for female Shepards, that would be a sign of dedication, rather than the opposite, wouldn't it? One might even posit that this is a demographic issue, where any extra smiles for malesheps are targeted at any "I'm a manly man, so I can only play manly man male characters, pew-pew-pew! *pick default*" players, whereas more appreciation of subtlety is expected from the majority of femshep players, quite a few of which might actually be females themseves...

Personally I found the silent crying much better.

[JamieCOTC]

Liara also closes her eyes while crying in the maleShep scene, so it is not just about the sobbing. It is a different scene, although I sincerely believe this is just an oversight. BW gains nothing by switching the scenes intentionally. While it is understandable that many may see this as a mole hill made into a mountain, but the character of female Shepard is not represented anywhere at all by BW and so her fans must be more vocal than would be the norm. As to the "oversight" itself, I understand that this may not be fixable due to time and resources, but at the very least this should raise a red flag.

[Naltair]

If I have not been polite I apologize.

My intent is one of support for fixing technical issues but i can;t support baseless accusations of ill wrong doing on BioWare's part.

Modifié par Naltair, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:19 .

[jlb524]

jojon2se wrote...

One might even posit that this is a demographic issue, where any extra smiles for malesheps are targeted at any "I'm a manly man, so I can only play manly man male characters, pew-pew-pew! *pick default*" players, whereas more appreciation of subtlety is expected from the majority of femshep players, quite a few of which might actually be females themseves...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I've thought of this too....I think that would be worse...isn't that selling males short?

[Naltair]

Yeah hey really do need more gender specific animations for the main character.

[Asheer_Khan]

Lizardviking wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Obviously Casey Hudson hates women and wants them all to be shunned by intentionally not making Liara cry and then making sure to include the clipping to really rub it in their vaginas.

That is obviously what is happening here.

Actually CHudson once called femShep "sexual starved T-Rex" in relation to femShep = Jacob romance... that's why situaton like this frankly NOT surprised me...

Really? Got a link to that?

Regarding the orginal topic of this thead: I think the clipping issues are simple mistakes and oversights. But I do wonder why Femshep lacks the dialog???

This interview was made long time ago and i am pretty sure that now CHudson will "dismiss that claims" <_<

[Killjoy Cutter]

Hrm... yeah... the vocalized crying is there on one and not the other.



Not sure I like it better with the vocalized crying, however.



I wonder if it has something to do with how the seperate VA tracks were coded to interact, if it somehow unintentionally "clips" the crying out on one and not the other.

[Pacifien]

jojon2se wrote...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I certainly interpret the scene different based on either variation. The silent crying comes across Liara looking incredibly drained after the fight, a silent release on everything she had worked towards in the past two years. The audible crying comes across as Liara feeling incredibly vulnerable and shaken by the ordeal. I prefer the former, but really I shouldn't talk. She's not my romance, which means her reactions are going to be different simply based on that, nevermind gender.

[lastpatriot]

Pacifien wrote...

The interesting thing is that LotSB seemed to address the need for different animations between female and male Shepards.

Thanks for the quick response Pacifien.  Oh, and you're right, those animations in LotSB were perfect!  It was something I noted to myself while playing it just how well done they were.

As for the rest of the issues, a patch would be a nice surprise.

[Naltair]

Asheer_Khan wrote...


This interview was made long time ago and i am pretty sure that now CHudson will "dismiss that claims" <_<

If it is on the internet it exists somewhere.

[JamieCOTC]

Pacifien wrote...

The interesting thing is that LotSB seemed to address the need for different animations between female and male Shepards.

I don't know why the scenes are different in regards to the romance, but I can speculate a few reasons, none of which concern ill intent on the part of the developers. I mostly wonder if the two scenes simply had different animators, but I suppose you'd need to actually overlay the scenes on top of each other to see those slight deviations. I had read somewhere that Bioware Montreal helped with the cinematics, which likely means different people working on variations of the same thing.

Of course, I understand the complete befuddlement on why the scenes wouldn't play out exactly the same, not just in clipping issues, but the dialogue. Easy to explain if different people actually worked on the two variations. Not cool, but explainable at least.

As to whether Bioware is going to fix it, I think they really need to bring out a patch for LotSB addressing a lot of technical issues. Could throw in a correction for this scene on top of it, but I doubt it.

Yes, they did.  That was very gracious of them and why we, as femShep fans, should, to paraphrase Andy Dufresne, "start writing two letters a week." 

[jlb524]

Pacifien wrote...

jojon2se wrote...
Personally I found the silent crying much better.

I certainly interpret the scene different based on either variation. The silent crying comes across Liara looking incredibly drained after the fight, a silent release on everything she had worked towards in the past two years. The audible crying comes across as Liara feeling incredibly vulnerable and shaken by the ordeal. I prefer the former, but really I shouldn't talk. She's not my romance, which means her reactions are going to be different simply based on that, nevermind gender.

Liara's reactions should not be gender dependent as she's, you know, an asari.

I could see if this was Miranda we were talking about, as she's a human.  Humans are brought up to treat and react to the two genders differently....not the asari.  They have no concept of it. 

Modifié par jlb524, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:24 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think one of the interesting points is that it feels like FemShep and MaleShep share the same animations, and are equal in all respects, but the scenes shown indicates that characters can act differently (and gender specific) and that in this case it has been done for reasons unknown with a negative dramatic impact. I can understand that this upsets fans, because in cases where differences were needed (like the walking animation) BW has chosen not to do that. And we all thought she shared that walking animation because of some technical reason.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 29 septembre 2010 - 04:38 .